On the hope that there's a "hero's sacrifice" ending where Miz dies.
Because that means you watched Miz die.
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May Wrasslin |OT| Vince McMahon doesn't give 5 million f**ks what you think.
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On the hope that there's a "hero's sacrifice" ending where Miz dies.
Because that means you watched Miz die.
UberTag
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Black Ref is totally screwed after last night. Poor Justin King.
Incidentally, it was nice to hear Brian & Dave put over Primo as the most underrated worker in the WWE on today's podcast. They should put him in Sin Cara's costume.
It took him 26 clock seconds to count to 10 though :/
BTW, has Cena ever AA'ed Johnny Ace? You think it'd be CM Punk that would be getting the pipe bomb to the back of the head considering he physically assaulted Johnny Ace and what not...
As bad as the feud was every week, the promo at Extreme Rules before the match was amazing.
WWE really knows how to turn shit into gold inside a promo video.
They're playing at some festival that runs from August through September, so Jericho will still be around for the next two months at least I would think. Then they'll probably run some injury angle to get him off-screen.
I would go to that because I have never seen Fozzy, but he's touring with a bunch of bands I either don't like or have never heard of in the Rockstar Uproar Festival......sigh.
There are also rumors the whole thing is a work lol. Who knows.
I don't care if the Lesnar going nuts backstage thing is a work. If Cena was supposed to be taken out on a stretcher, but he refused, then I lose respect.
Although, I'll give the benefit of the doubt, because while I can't stand Cena's character, I've always said that he's a great guy out of the ring.
Yeah, I have to think someone either changed the booking without filling Lesnar in or shortly before the match or Cena decided to do it on his own. The whole promo thing made no sense whatsoever, and now that Cena is still on TV, makes even LESS sense.
UberTag
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Nice guy or not we can't keep acting like Cena is oblivious to the fact that he's helped nobody else get over despite being a stale main event face for the past 8 years.
He's fully aware of what he's doing. But he's also making a bunch of kids wishes come true and he works 500 days a year so it frankly doesn't matter to him that he's facilitating the creatively bankrupt "Cena must be the focus of every show" approach to business.
When Cena eventually leaves and the WWE is crippled due to nobody else being over or able to draw it won't be his problem to deal with.
He's fully aware of what he's doing. But he's also making a bunch of kids wishes come true and he works 500 days a year so it frankly doesn't matter to him that he's facilitating the creatively bankrupt "Cena must be the focus of every show" approach to business.
When Cena eventually leaves and the WWE is crippled due to nobody else being over or able to draw it won't be his problem to deal with.
Lining up already.
British Monsoon
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I saw them in 2010 and they were really good live, and I'm not even that much of a fan of their recorded stuff - their sound was great and you can tell Jericho just absolutely loves every minute of it, they put on an awesome show. They're back over here to play Download festival, but I'm hoping to catch them supporting Ugly Kid Joe in London the week before
Mr. Luchador
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OK, so I'm also tired of John Cena now. I know I'm 5 years late, sorry.
It's a damn shame when WCW seems to have more booking sense and planning than this. This is just hitting new lows, which is a shame because the PPV had some great matches. Punk/Bryan can be a great thing, but one good program in a sea of garbage is just terrible.
I reached that point last night also. They've pushed me to the point where I don't give a fuck what Cena does anymore. I'll treat his segments like I do the TNA knockouts and FF. I'm not even sure I'd watch if he feuds with Punk, Bryan or Jericho.
Awww. Why you gotta hate the knockouts :'(
BoboBrazil
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It's even worse when you realize Cena is the one who pushed McMahon to go PG. He knows exactly what he's doing.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Miz in Marine 3. YES!
Day 1 watch.
Well Day 1 buy since its probably going straight to DVD.
Day 1 watch.
Well Day 1 buy since its probably going straight to DVD.
Mr. Luchador
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British Monsoon
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Can anyone think of any instance where Cena has actually helped a younger talent get over? Ryder doesn't count, as his association with Cena systematically destroyed him.
All I can think of is those handful of RAW's in 2010 where he teamed with Evan Bourne, then apparently went and told Vince they should be pushing Bourne or they could risk dropping the ball with him. Of course, his push lasted all of a month or so, Bourne went back to random tag teams, Cena went back to the main event. Would it have killed him to spend a month or two going after the tag belts with Bourne? Putting over Bourne, the tag belts and whoever would eventually beat Cena & Bourne in the process?
All I can think of is those handful of RAW's in 2010 where he teamed with Evan Bourne, then apparently went and told Vince they should be pushing Bourne or they could risk dropping the ball with him. Of course, his push lasted all of a month or so, Bourne went back to random tag teams, Cena went back to the main event. Would it have killed him to spend a month or two going after the tag belts with Bourne? Putting over Bourne, the tag belts and whoever would eventually beat Cena & Bourne in the process?
Mr. Luchador
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Cena put over that young upstart Edge.
Man, a Bourne and Cena tag team would have been terrible, lol.
UberTag
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That's really the only exception to the rule and Cena's best feud because of it.
That was SIX YEARS AGO.
Mr. Luchador
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To be honest, Edge made me like CENA.
SquashMatch
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The only way things will change is if people turn the channel during a John Cena match or segment. Cena is supposedly hated but he still draws numbers. When you see that John Cena will be the next segment, just change the channel. I know that is what I will be doing, if something interesting actually happens I can find it on Youtube or read a recap.
British Monsoon
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Regardless, the fact that main event stars never drop out of the main event to go after the tag belts is one part of why there's no prestige to the titles any more (that, and the fact that creative no longer give a shit about any of the mid-card belts). It would help the laughable WWE 'tag division' greatly for a guy like Cena, or Orton, or Punk to spend a month or two feuding for the tag titles and ultimately putting over a young team before going back to the main event scene.
Yeah, he "draws", but what's the point when the audience keeps getting smaller and smaller. And it isn't just Cena. When people discuss the Attitude Era, people also spend a great time talking about the great midcard and guys other than Austin and Rock. That's what's missing today.
BoboBrazil
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doesn't matter if you don't have a nielson box, also the main storylines focus around Cena, if you don't watch Cena segments what are you going to be watching? Big Show vs Khali? Vickie Guerrero? Swagger vs Funkasaurus?
UberTag
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Unless you're physically at an event in clear visibility of the ring, bring a pillow and consciously turn away from the action in a large group and outright IGNORE anything Cena is involved with Vince will never get that message.
This would work especially well if you all had custom T-Shirts with a bunch of Zzzz Zzzz Zzzz printed on the back of them.
Rafa=FedKilla
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I always believed that Vince's big man fetish is because he is secretly gay. (I'm not saying this as a joke or to be offensive)
I actually disagree. Anytime they've ever done one of those team up a main eventer in the tag team division thing, they've just used the dude to bury the division. I understand your sentiment, but I have no faith in them to get it right.
Hm? We've got a great mid-card fued in Punk vs Bryan this month!
lol it's sad because it's true.
BoboBrazil
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How great would it be if you guys get all worked up and hyped over Bryan vs Punk and then Punk beats him in 7 seconds?
SquashMatch
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That would be awesome. Next time WWE is in a smark city the fans just need to turn their back to John Cena. No booing, no reaction, just turn their back and not say a word until the segment is over. Vince would absolutely lose his shit!
Punk would pull a Steve Austin-Lesnar on Raw and just not bother to turn up.
Yeah, that's just silly. That was an internal decision to get more sponsors and partially for Linda's campaign. It's worked, btw, in getting more sponsors. The WWE was probably more edgy than ever in 2002 and the years before the PG era, and those years weren't much better. Hell, I would argue that they we were worse in many ways.
British Monsoon
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PG isn't the problem, it just exacerbates it. Awful, short-sighted booking is the problem.
It would be great in the sense that I would no longer feel compelled to waste my time watching WWE programming, as this is about all they have going for them at the moment in my book.
It would be great in the sense that I would no longer feel compelled to waste my time watching WWE programming, as this is about all they have going for them at the moment in my book.
SquashMatch
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Dont think that would ever happen. Punk would not go along with that. I would be really pissed off, as would be a lot of other people. Of course Raw was a steaming pile last night and will still draw millions next week so who knows. Hopefully Impact is decent this week, of course every time it is good the ratings drop quite a bit.
BoboBrazil
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Cena admitted in an interview he pushed Vince to do it. It's not an accusation at all.
My conspiracy theory was Chris Benoit murderous rampage. Vince had to save face.
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