Mayweather was a beast at 130.
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Mayweather was a beast at 130.
My bad, I had misjudged the context of your comment. I thought you were implying that Manny deserved karma points because he clinched less than Floyd.
To return to your original question, I have no idea how many times Manny clinched. For that matter, I don't know where that poster got that number for Floyd (I haven't seen that number anywhere else online). This isn't the sort of thing that is normally tabulated officially or otherwise.
Penalties for clinching are completely up to the ref and they are extremely rare. Amir Khan has been penalized for it I believe. The ref will almost always give a warning before taking a point, so fighters usually stop once they get a warning. If Floyd had continued to clinch in the way he had been at the very beginning of the fight he probably would have gotten a point deduction eventually. But clinching a couple of times a round following exchanges (as occurred occasionally throughout the rest of the fight) is not unusual.
Clinching usually happens simply due to fighters being tired and for this reason it can be mutual. This is what Teddy Atlas calls the silent contract.
And yes, GGG is a great fighter to check out if you are curious about getting into the sport.
Owlowiscious
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If anything I am poking the bee hive about boxers beliefs and such. People stating Floyd using all the tools available to him makes me ask why doesn't Manny use all the tools available to him?
By 'taking a point' do you mean 1 point out of the 118-110, 116-112 and 116-112 scores? I want to say 1 point doesn't seem like a big penalty, thus making the risk of doing too many cinches minimal, but this particular match it was close enough that 1 point could make an impact. I guess I don't know anything outside this one match to make any kind of comment.
perineumlick
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If Floyd's shots were just a nuisance, then these boxers, most of who usually outweigh him by almost 20 lbs, would walk right through them and force him to fight their fight. They can't, because he punches hard enough to command that respect. If anything, the pyschological beating he gives them is worse, because despite their best efforts they can't do anything with him. Winning is winning, whether you are busting guys up or outpointing them.
Zok310
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There you have it ladies and gents.
The undisciplined, unsophisticated, the embarrassing People's Champ.
A point deduction is the first punishment, not the last. I assume further point deduction or even a disqualification are possible, although I admit I cannot think of a fight where that happened.
If Wlad never got disqualified for holding, then I'm not sure if it's even happened in recent times.
Edit:
Tyson vs. Ferguson in 1986. Ferguson tried to clinch to survive, got warned, then disqualified.
Point deduction comes from that rounds scoring.
It can turn a 10-9 round in your favor, to a 10-9 in theirs
BananasWithGuns
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I love salty Skip Bayless. Endless entertainment.
That's now how it works. It turns a 10-9 into a 9-9, see Klitschko-Jennings from two weeks ago. Klitschko got a point deducted for holding, but won via UD 116-111, 116-111, 118-109.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2015/apr/25/wladimir-klitschko-v-bryant-jennings-live (Picture of the actual scorecard shows how it works. See round 10.)
RellyRell28
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The espn saltiness continues with KO
I'm guessing this includes fights where they wear headgear, and have like 4 round fights and stuff.
Look at Olympic boxing, you never see knockouts there.
Owlowiscious
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What's the issue here?
Ah, you're right. I keep forgetting it comes AFTER what the score was going to be.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Casual boxing fan here. goddamn rekt
Zok310
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The issue?
Manny's lack of class and his selfishness.
After nearly 2 days he has yet to give Floyd credit for winning but takes the time to put his arm in a sling and poses for the camera?
Despicable.
Saturday night, I drove straight home and watched Hearns Hagler to wash the stench of #MayPac off
of me. I can appreciate the skill, but I'm not interested in watching essentially amateur boxing.
Owlowiscious
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I saw a video of Manny sitting at a table I'm guessing in front of a lot of people where he says Floyd won?
edit- this video: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12811393
yeah ok I can see where you're coming from.
perineumlick
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If you thought that was amateur boxing, then no, you don't appreciate the skill.
He gave credit to Floyd for winning
Zok310
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Nope that video ain't it.
"I think i won the fight" "Injured shoulder"
Nothing about Floyd in that vid.
paolo11
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That irked me too. I am a Pacman fan but him not admitting the L is so unlikely of him. I mean, Money May was praising Pacman on the post interview and Pacquiao was showing great denial? SMH!!
Pacman lost. Fair and square. No excuses. Money Mayweather is the best figther in this generation. It is what it is.
And don't get me started on the shoulder injury before the fight. Get that excuse out of here. In my opinion, I believe it's arrogance to continue fighting injured knowing the fact that before the fight, there is an option to delay the match. If he said, "Sorry fans, I'm injured. I wanted to fight Floyd 100% so I'm gonna delay and heal up", sure there may be angry fans but at the same time, a lot of fans will understand and will give him the benefit of the doubt. Money May was injured before the JMM fight last 2009 and he decided to postponed it. Were they a lot of angry fans? No.
Pacquiao should retire. He did amazing things on this sport already. It's not that his legacy was ruined when he lost against Money May.Money May is the better fighter. Period.
BadAss2961
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"Most people don't know shit about boxing." - Roger Mayweather
Pretty much sums up this thread and ESPN.
Pretty much sums up this thread and ESPN.
Salty Skip is the best Skip. Any word on when Floyd comes on First Take?
Skip: I don't care what compubox says: MANNY WON THE FIGHT.
Everyone else: Tell us more Skip. While you're talking hold on and let me hand you this:
supernormal
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Looks like the "Fight of Century" will be between the actual viewers debating who won.
TheXfactor
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he is getting surgery and is out for 9 to 12 months, he aint faking it
I missed the fight. Was working on stuff for my job.
As a half Filipino I've been hearing tons of shit about this on Facebook from pinoy friends and family. I finally watched it. Honestly, Pacquia just got his ass out boxed. And to people who are angry about spending $100-ish dollars to watch what they felt was a boring fight: welcome to boxing. 9/10 fights are just two supreme physical specimens either grappling most of the time, or one guy running in circles. They can't all be Roy Jones Jr. or Prince Naseem Ahmed in their prime.
As a half Filipino I've been hearing tons of shit about this on Facebook from pinoy friends and family. I finally watched it. Honestly, Pacquia just got his ass out boxed. And to people who are angry about spending $100-ish dollars to watch what they felt was a boring fight: welcome to boxing. 9/10 fights are just two supreme physical specimens either grappling most of the time, or one guy running in circles. They can't all be Roy Jones Jr. or Prince Naseem Ahmed in their prime.
Owlowiscious
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I would like to be shown Mayweather's punches, because it did not look like he threw more punches than Pacquiao to me. My lack of boxing knowledge speaking again. I can only hope that people whine enough that someone gets frustrated enough to make a video circling whenever someone punched/connected.Everyone else: Tell us more Skip. While you're talking hold on and let me hand you this:
BadAss2961
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I never caught that.
if you watch the floyd/pac fight..after the fight and Pac is standing on the ropes waving to the fans, Buboy is also telling him which direction to wave. In tagalog, he tells him to look left or look right...i found that kind of weird.
UnObtainium17
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Phat Michael
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You should watch the fight then. Also look very carefully about how Manny's punches only connected with floyds gloves, elbows or in the air above his head. Just because someone throws lots of flurries, it doesnt mean anything . it was strange how the crowd kept cheering when manny was hitting nothing.
NinjaMouse
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Because it was activity and excitement...something Mayweather doesn't really do. Say what you want about "if you can't appreciate his defensive style, you don't appreciate boxing", but the average viewer doesn't care about that. I stand by my assertion that it was a snoozefest and I blame Floyd for doing what he always does and I blame Manny for not bringing his usual heat. Manny's corner should be ashamed for not lighting a fire under him between rounds, too. If this shoulder situation really was the reason, they definitely should have postponed the fight, but with that kind of money on the line, who cares about the fans.
Let's see the PPV numbers for the next 5 years of fights after people got burned on this one.
I don't think that is the case at all. The jabs simply keep you at bay, but boxers like Pacquiao still aren't going to rush in stupidly, not because of the jabs, but because they are aware they could still take a beating or knock out from power shots and counters if they're careless. I also don't think there's a psychological beating in the way you've stated. The only mentally affecting issue is the frustration in not being able to penetrate Mayweather's defence, not in taking any sort of actual beating. When Manny said he thought he won the fight at the end, and that Floyd "did nothing", I think he was being sincere. In his mind, he fought a match where the other guy just avoided him the entire time, and the little nuisance jabs probably never even registered as point winning tide turners.
Zok310
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Funny how the doctors in the USA who did the MRI found no major issues with his shoulder. So Manny hops on a plane, heads back to the Philippines and find a doctor there to push his story and co signs his injury claims. Then they get this doctor to announce that Manny needs major surgery and that he will be out for up to 12 months......... Lots of credibility with this one. He could not get a doctor in the USA to make that announcement?
Mean while in the USA the NSAC is considering disciplinary actions against Manny for withholding injury information from them..... Hmm????
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/i...-significant-tear-rotator-cuff-right-shoulder
Well shit. He was telling the truth after all.
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SO WHY THE FUCK DID THEY NOT POSTPONE AND GIVE US THE FIGHT WE DESERVED!?! I blame Bob for this somehow.
Well shit. He was telling the truth after all.
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SO WHY THE FUCK DID THEY NOT POSTPONE AND GIVE US THE FIGHT WE DESERVED!?! I blame Bob for this somehow.
Wolf Akela
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Wasn't there a no rematch clause in the contract?
DoktorEvil
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Robert Flores was going in on Stephen A. Smith post fight on his knowledge about boxing...
Seems like nobody really knows boxing, except the insiders.
Rematch? How?
Floyd has his last fight in September. Manny is sidelined till next year.
Zok310
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Too much logic there. Floyd will stil be blamed for not fighting Manny in September.
He should go down in history as the sorest loser ever.
BronsonLee
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Pac could get a fucking Winter Soldier bionic arm in surgery and he'd probably still lose to Floyd
It kind of falls perfectly for Mayweather. He will probably fight Amir Khan in Sept to get 49-0. Afterwards fight Pacquiao in a rematch this time next year to beat Marciano's record.
So you think he'll come out of retirement?
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