That's the dream. The reality is ~12 games now maybe ~100 by fall.
MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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That's the dream. The reality is ~12 games now maybe ~100 by fall.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
One of the biggest draws of PC gaming is the fact that you can keep playing your old games, instead of starting over. Your library just continues to grow on a single piece of hardware.
The real world does care. You think people would be upgrading their smart devices so often if they couldn't carry all of their digital content over?
itchyass86
Member
Hit the nail on the head right there. Sony could show some good faith to the folks who've been with Playstation since the beginning - and reinforcing the existence of older Playstation franchises by doing a simple thing like BC. But nope. Would rather break tradition and cut off the one legitimate link to play older Playstation games on their flagship system.
No, I'm not paying for PSNow. That service is a waste of infrastructure and will never be as responsive as remote play. Not to mention it's a blatant ripoff to gamers who actually like last gen games (like me) when Sony could have just as easily added BC instead.
KillerSloth
Banned
That explains why consoles sell so much more then pc....oh snap. BC don't matter 2 years in and it's only select titles.
Except they won't have access to all of their 360 content and likely never will.
Entirely obvious to me. They didn't even need to post their thoughts on it.
Very predictable.
Why would the console that is almost leading 2-1, lessen their current remaster strategy (that is working) by spending money on implementing technology that would cost them money?
I mean, sure, if the tables were turned, they'd probably be looking to BC as a way to satiate previous ps3 owners....but they're currently way out ahead. They should be thinking about the next big games, not last gens used games.
Additionally, we've seen according to infoscouts or whoever it was, that the biggest migration is from360 to ps4. It's not like ps4 needs incentives to upgrade. People are already picking it by 2-1.
Very predictable.
Why would the console that is almost leading 2-1, lessen their current remaster strategy (that is working) by spending money on implementing technology that would cost them money?
I mean, sure, if the tables were turned, they'd probably be looking to BC as a way to satiate previous ps3 owners....but they're currently way out ahead. They should be thinking about the next big games, not last gens used games.
Additionally, we've seen according to infoscouts or whoever it was, that the biggest migration is from360 to ps4. It's not like ps4 needs incentives to upgrade. People are already picking it by 2-1.
I really like what Microsoft is doing with BC on Xbox One. Instead of trying to resell last gen games slightly upresed, they are adding features to the console in order to make it genuinely more appealing to customers. It doesn't necessarily benefit them directly, but it does earn them goodwill and features for their console.
I feel like Sony is starting to lack in that department. It seems like the company that starts the generation as an underdog always ends up trying harder to appeal to customers. Same thing happened last gen with Sony.
I feel like Sony is starting to lack in that department. It seems like the company that starts the generation as an underdog always ends up trying harder to appeal to customers. Same thing happened last gen with Sony.
IF the compatibility list grow enough to have such games included... I want to see such list after 1 year, I am skeptic about this.
KillerSloth
Banned
Lol please explain how sony could easily add BC for ps4 with ps3 using cell last gen? I'd like to hear it. Ridiculous.
Games would have to be rewritten
BC resulted in a $600 price tag in 2006 and resulted in massive losses to them. The reason they dropped is is the 360 led by example with really bad BC and it wasn't hurt by it. Giving empirical proof that most people don't care. BC isn't simple by any stretch. Ask a EMU coder.
It's meant for the 360 gamer who switch this gen. A way to rent the back catalog as well as double backing on tech they acquired for stuff like remote play on vita or share play.
lol some people don´t or won´t understand that PS Now is not Sony´s answer to BC !! It´s a god damn Streaming Service that can run Playstation games on your Samsung SmartTV or toaster (in 2025) without the need to own a Playstation console for god sakes. This has nothing to do with a PS4´s BC solution. (Because there is no BC solution for PS4 except some Remasters.)
Rimon-hanit
Member
Yes indeed, having access to a huge collection of games I own with more features to boot and on a much more responsive console, is a worthless gimmick.
3rdamention
Member
This news of backwards compatibility is a huge game changer for me. I wasn't even considering getting an Xbox One, and now I most definitely will. I still have a considerable backlog of 360 titles I haven't gotten to that I'd like to finally complete on Xbox One.
And as a PS4 owner, it would be mighty nifty to have PS1 & PS2 classics available to play. Not sure that will ever happen though...
And as a PS4 owner, it would be mighty nifty to have PS1 & PS2 classics available to play. Not sure that will ever happen though...
Software BC is what it has to be, there's no magic 360 in the XB1 that is going to allow them to natively give HW BC, so it has to be software. This is a fact.
Don't see how that addresses his point at all.
How do you know it didn't help? There are plenty of people that hold off on buying a new console because they still have a huge library of old games and don't want to get rid of them. Especially with the "trade in your old console for this much money off of the new console" deals.
Actually, the real answer here is that the infrastructure is still new, and can really only handle a certain amount of bandwidth at the moment. On top of which, if people want to play them, Sony will net 100% of the profit for the rentals.
This is almost the opposite of what ms is proposing, which is take a loss on a console, and take an opportunity cost on the used game sales.
Right. It is software as a service. They started testing it on their own console and people assume it is just for backwards compatibility and meant for core gamers but they're reaching for a larger audience.
Adding BC with cell/PS3 through emulation is next to impossible/extremely hard, the only other way would be to include cell which would have raised the PS4 price to about 600.
I hope they can get most digital purchases to move over and PS1 & PS2 emulation soon.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
This has all been done before (BC compatible PS3, BC on 360), and didn't exactly set the world on fire then either.
And yes, tons of people can (and do) buy new gadgets just to have the newest, shiniest thing without caring about their digital libraries. People switching from Iphone to Android, for example.
They probably have the data analytics from the last two generations.
Catatafish
Banned
Exactly. There is no reason to defend sony's decision. Consumer should always demand more.
Fuck no! Atleast I hope not.
Except that's not the case. Not even close.
Stare-Bear
Banned
You'll only be able to do it IF the publisher of the game gives permission. I can imagine a lot of publishers arent really waiting to give away free digital copies of games...
The point is, you don't have to have owned a PS3 to play PS3 games on PS4 and other devices. In the future that should expand to PS1, PS2, PS3 and even PS4 games.
I hope you realize this will not happen overnight, or anytime soon.
Cheshire_Buddha
Member
Being able to play PS1/PS2 games would be amazing, honestly. I would love to go through some of my PS2 collection soon, but my system is on the fritz. I understand why they won't do it though.
detrimental
Banned
Last thing I want Sony doing is squandering their resources a previous generation.
QuantumZebra
Member
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
its not rocket science people - if you want BC go buy an Xbone... I still have my PS3 and its just collecting dust, soo...
StalkerUKCG
Banned
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Funny really, with TV's becoming Android TV's TV/Phone/Tablets will have more access to PlayStation games then PlayStation.
Honestly when I saw 360 Backwards Compatibility be on their requested system feature list a year ago or so, I thought it was a cool idea but something along the lines of a pipe dream too.
So now I am really impressed that Microsoft listened to their fans, went through with this and are actually making it happen in a software emulation type of way. I never saw this coming as I didn't think it'd be worth the effort to them, so this definitely changed my opinion of Microsoft for the better.
You don't have to have owned an Xbox 360 to play 360 games on Xbone either.
Yeah, I don't understand why it can't be both.
The Mad Draklor
Member
I see BC as more of a luxury than a necessity. My PS3 is still running perfectly fine because I take care of it so well. Heck, even my 14 year old fat PS2 still runs like a charm. Point being, I have extremely little need for BC. Is it a nice thing to have? Absolutely. Is it necessary? For me, definitely not.
Pathfinder
Member
It's perfectly fine that PS Now is a streaming service platform that will, in future, allow all sorts of non-Sony devices to be able to play Playstation games.
But it is also a backwards compatibility solution. There is absolutely no way to logically deny that.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Yup and that's a big IF - depending on the publisher of course.
If I had to make a guess, publishers would rather people bought remasters
Yeah, but you're cherry picking. What about the OG Xbox? Why don't they add that to the BC roster?
PS Now is a different thing all together.
Of course it's software, but your implication was not that it was software, it was that it was some magic programming they're doing per game and it was shitty and uneven like OG xbox BC. That is not the case, they're not even touching the games. It's literally a wrapper that runs the 360 OS and emulates the powerpc.
KillerSloth
Banned
Your the minority, how many have huge game collections and play them on their new consoles 2 years into a new gen? Even major Nelson said it most people dispose of games when done.
I can play my ps3 games on my ps3. It was well known ps4 was not backwards compatible.
I didn't miss it when it was stripped out of the PS3 and I don't miss it now.
Just as an FYI - I don't think PS Now is Sony's BC solution. It's a service to get non PS3 owners playing their games WITHOUT the console. The service is even an app on certain TV's and blue ray players without a need for any hardware other than a dualshock controller. Don't overlook this fact.
This is forward thinking though and convenient.
It's good PR for xbox but it some with a BIG *
Just as an FYI - I don't think PS Now is Sony's BC solution. It's a service to get non PS3 owners playing their games WITHOUT the console. The service is even an app on certain TV's and blue ray players without a need for any hardware other than a dualshock controller. Don't overlook this fact.
This is forward thinking though and convenient.
It's good PR for xbox but it some with a BIG *
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
It also don't matter if you own the games already.
Lol, supply and demand dude. If you think GameStop or whoever is going to give you $200 for a 360 when everybody is trading it in, you're out of your mind. Also, a vast majority of the 360 catalog will not be available this fall. So maybe three years from now all of your games will be covered and you can finally sell your 360 for $17.