I don't even know how you might say this is a "half assed" attempt at BC. Giving people the ability to play some old disc and digital games from a previous library with fully working multiplayer along with new features is one of the better sounding implementations I've seen. This is especially important considering that most modern stuff like achievements were in place for everything last gen. One of the reasons I never used PS2 emulation with my PS3 was because doing so locked you out of doing anything on the dashboard. Why wouldn't I want to still play Super Meat Boy or Geometry Wars?
MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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dragonzdogma
Member
I think it has to do with the timing of the announcement,
I just don't understand why they waited this long,
at least sony had that PSNOW option/genkai deal
alerting players to not worry about BC ( even tho now it sucks according to most people here at gaf)
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I bet you the statistics say "HOLY SHIT LOOK HOW MUCH THE PS1/2 CLASSICS ARE PULLING IN!"
thelastcrusader
Banned
I replaced with my slim. Backwards compatibility is something I never used once.I wonder why the 60GB PS3 launch model is one of the most popular, sought after models? Is it the shininess, or maybe something else?
MrGreencastle
Member
It's full emulation. The package you download is the full game in a Xbox 360 wrapper running in a VM of sorts. The full 360 OS is running the game inside the Xbox One OS which is emulating the hardware of the 360. That's how all the 360 features and Xbox One features can work at the same time for these games. It doesn't work like Xbox original to 360 emulation did. There is no recompile, either, it's straight up running the games on an emulated hardware layer from the HDD. No game on Xbox One runs off the disc, the console is designed to run everything off the hard drive like a PC.
KillerSloth
Banned
You realise only select titles work right most of those may not even work.
Man, I agreed with everything you wrote except "half-baked." Microsoft is basically running the Xbox 360 OS as an app on Xbox One. That seems pretty "well done."
And I use it constantly. I love replaying my old PS1 and PS2 discs. And having one system that plays those and my PS3 games is great.
dragonzdogma
Member
You didn't notice I said "probably"
but it's a no briner if almost anyone you ask or see posting say that PSNOW sucks
Head.spawn
Junior Member
So you're on board to buy The Nathan Drake Collection "Day Fucking 1".... but have no interest in backwards compatibility or playing older games?
I would, in fact, bet that there's statistical evidence to support this fact. Most people are on to the newest and best. Getting BC to work without messing with your margins by having to include hardware is a big win for consumers and possible consumers though. The only reason Sony removed BC from the PS3 was financial and enabling a price drop. It wasn't because "no one cared about BC."
Pathfinder
Member
Remasters cost money. Not all developers will be up for spending money on that.
So, you say anecdotal evidence doesn't count, but then present anecdotal evidence of your own?
Companies do what's in their best interest. No one is evil in this situation. I just feel that MS seems to be trying harder to make a better console than Sony is, so I feel that as of now Xbox One is the most promising out of the two. I would like BC on PS4, but it doesn't make Sony evil if they don't, it just means their console is lacking in the BC department.
Miles Quaritch
Member
GoW3:R is a lazy remaster. There's reason to be annoyed they are charging full price for that.
What's wrong with the Gears 1 pricing? Wasn't it confirmed to be $40 or am I mistaken?
Thinking the same thing. They've been really slow to roll out PS Now throughout the EU too.
I think I agree that it is highly requested, used very little. Consumers just like the idea of having that comfort, safety net. Saying, "Oh yeah, I can play all my games on this one box."
I was in that same bought when I bought the PS3. Picked it up at launch because I wanted that backwards compatibility. I think I used it so little, I could count the times on both hands. Actually, I think I used it to play through kingdom hearts again, and that was it really.
I was in that same bought when I bought the PS3. Picked it up at launch because I wanted that backwards compatibility. I think I used it so little, I could count the times on both hands. Actually, I think I used it to play through kingdom hearts again, and that was it really.
KillerSloth
Banned
There are two articles in this thread, one from MS saying onlY 5% used BC and that it was not a widely used feature....2 years into a gen most people have moved on, nor do most keep large game libraries.
There are two articles in this thread, one from MS saying only 5% used BC and that it was not a widely used feature....2 years into a gen most people have moved on, nor do most keep large game libraries.
People ignore it and argue this is a big deal or B: this is something people really care about.
Final Verdict
Member
I agree that it is not heavily used, but it is just super nice to have.
I probably used BC on the X360 a handful of times, but being able to have it so I could keep my old xbox games like halo 1 & 2 was awesome.
Glad that I will be able to get rid of my 360 now & keep my favorite games, including some of the downloaded ones.
I probably used BC on the X360 a handful of times, but being able to have it so I could keep my old xbox games like halo 1 & 2 was awesome.
Glad that I will be able to get rid of my 360 now & keep my favorite games, including some of the downloaded ones.
MrGreencastle
Member
If the publishers allow Microsoft to enable BC for those titles, and their servers are still up, then yes. As far as the game is concerned it thinks it IS running on a 360. You can pull up the 360 Guide in game (start+select) and make a party from your friends list and start playing multiplayer and everything. You can also just play multiplayer and use the Xbox One party system if you prefer since as far as the Xbox One is concerned, you're just running an Xbox One game so all the Xbox One features are supported over top of it like DVR, screenshots, snapping, and streaming. It's really elegant, honestly. Works perfectly.
Its anything but half baked. Never seen emulation seamlessly integrated into a system and take advantage of the new features like this. My 360 games now have resume play, screenshot and record that feature among other things. All free without needing to do anything.
They will show up as ready to install under Games And Apps:
Mass Effect's is like that Perfect Dark wall guy screenshot.
God damn!!
dragonzdogma
Member
Maybe you are right,
but If i had a whole bunch of Xbox360 games (even if I didn't play them anymore) and I had not made my mind to buy next gen console, I would go for the X1 over a PS4.
I think I would be blind to notice PS4 exclusives and simply sell my Xbox 360 or traded for xbox1 games ans such.
Watch that usage skyrocket if games like RDR gets added to the list.
Pathfinder
Member
So much "most" being thrown around in here today...
thelastcrusader
Banned
It's an upressed 60fps version of 3 of my favorite games. Fuck yeah day 1. I have a ton of PS3 HD collection games of games that I owned on ps2. If there's a better version available I'll use it. If not I keep my old consoles and games.
It may not make a big deal to people who already own the console. It's certainly a possibility. But the shit you are spewing in this thread is straight up embarrassing.
KillerSloth
Banned
Why should I believe you over research and stats sony and MS have come up with?
No one will care about playing RDR in 2016 when rdr 2 most likely will get revealed, it won;t make much difference. You are over estimating the impact old games will have,. It will matter to some, a few, but the average person no, stats and history show that,
PdotMichael
Banned
If BC was a true selling point then even later PS3 would have that feature. It's just that no one cared about it for real.
Does everything need an answer though? Sony is doing their thing while xbox does theirs. Tbh I know 360 players who have sworn by PSNOW that it works extremely well. It's pretty cool that under certain circumstances you only need a controller to play very high quality PS3 games. This will eventually include PS4 games as well. This is paving the way for what will become games on demand.
This is the future that xbox was gunning for but they didn't know how to execute. Now Sony is trailblazing that for them. Along with other things and other technologies like VR, shareplay, remote play (outside of a localnetwork) and TV services (which now has gone ala carte)- things that msft doesn't have an answer for or has failed in doing so (closed TV studios I think?). Like msft, Sony has a lot of experience in BC so they'll do what they think is more valuable.
At least for me - it's a good announcement on Xbox's part but it's still too early to tell how this will pan out. That poll has CODs, BFs, Bioshocks, Halos. We'll see what makes it by December than we should revisit this discussion.
family_guy
Member
I think the first couple of years, BC is a great feature that gets people jumping in earlier, but as time goes on and the library grows on current gen consoles, it is less important. I have PS3 games I haven't finished but I still have it next to my PS4. I've been playing my PS4 much more and don't know when I'll get back to finishing those PS3 games.
As a ps4 consumer you should know that they didn't add BC and also said the reason why they didn't . It is your fault to expect something they already discarded. And it was a good decision because it helped them having a competitive launch price. And their success is obvious.
That said they should at least try to deliver psone emulation AND PSP too.I do not think it would be a huge effort and people would be happy and could lead to some extra psn sales.
Ps2 on the other hand. .. and ps3 is daydreaming.It won't happen.
Pathfinder
Member
Microsoft has not had a backwards compatibility initiative like they're doing now. The Xbox > Xbox 360 BC they did was straight up embarrassing as only a small handful of titles actually worked. It's no wonder it wasn't widely used, it was shit.
Is that why RDR is the #1 requested Xbox One BC game on Microsoft's voting page?
http://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/298503-backwards-compatibility/filters/top
I wonder why the 60GB PS3 launch model is one of the most popular, sought after models? Is it the shininess, or maybe something else?
Because it's the model most likely to be on a firmware usable for piracy.
Except BC was dropped from the PS3 to reduce costs at a time that the cost reduction was desperately needed, correct?
It doesn't need an answer, but if they want to make their console more attractive, they should address it. I agree that PSNow works really well. I played Shadow of the Colossus on it and had no issues. The only issue I have with it is the pricing.
I never said it was a deal breaker. All I'm saying is that I would really like it if they did. I'm guessing they could get PS2 emulation on PS4 if they really wanted to.
It's probably not a very easy thing to include in a new system considering that they aren't supporting the entire 360 library but a select amount of titles. I'm guessing the amount of man hours and costs of including BC is why it took so long. Must have been pretty hard to convince suits that it's a good thing in the end but they did it.
I'm not going to lie, I rarely us BC but it's a good thing whenever I want to pickup a 360 title that I enjoyed and replay it without having to setup my 360 after storing it away.
KillerSloth
Banned
That's speculation....and 360 also had 100 or so titles.,..right now it is no different, unless you can predict the future. 100 or 1000, most people with a new console 2 years into the gen won't be concerned with playing old games when Battlefront, fallout 4, halo 5, new COD and many more are out.
That poll proves nothing? It's a poll the hardcore gamers would vote on. I can show polls that the most obscure games features are #1 in means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Only people who want BC or care about it to begin with would be voting.....
Portugeezer
Member
PS4 doesn't have BC from the get go because of costs.
As doesn't XB1, but they will now have a software solution for that for a large selection of games, I don't think PS4 will ever be able to emulate PS3 for BC, the Cell was too beastly.
Well there's obviously a big difference between BC that messes with hardware profit margins and BC that is done with existing hardware. It's like some of you didn't even own a PS3 at launch or remember all of the price drops.
PdotMichael
Banned
Killing a pointless feature, a prime example of "no one cares".
without going into the future I can't really respond to this. I'll just have to take them at their word.
you have by far the most posts in this thread and all you're doing is telling people what they do and don't want.
you don't want bc because your console doesn't have it. we get it.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I dunno, maybe I just like to revisit my old games more than you then, because my BC PS3 got more use playing PS2 games than it did playing PS3 games. It's not like my PS2 didn't work, it's still here, but being able to play these games on my new console is just to convenient. It is a feature I'm grateful to have; and it's a reason I will NEVER buy a slim PS3.
Their need for a reduced price > the value they placed on consumer appreciation for backwards compatibility.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Unfortunately, the number of re-releases this generation actually tells otherwise.
You can't just say that people don't care, if you just do not offer it to them. Just the first PS3 models supported backwards compatibility, and still it seems to me they sold a lot PSOne classics for Vita and PS3 owners!
KillerSloth
Banned
Ask yourself why it was dropped and not other features that could have been? It was not used much nor that important. There were many other things sony could have done. If it would have hurt the ps3 sony would not have dropped it.
ptuck874
Member
so true, I mean it's nice for people that haven't already owned a ps2 wanting to play stuff on the ps3, but seriously, I still had my ps2 when I got my ps3, same with ps4 now. Nobody complained or got excited when nes when to snes and didn't play nes games back then, why would the same be true today?
They've yet to expand it to anything beyond PS3 games. So for us, that is exactly what it is.