Dash Kappei
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Spiegel said:
:O
Holy shit that's bad.
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Media Create Sales: 01/05 - 01/11
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:O
Holy shit that's bad.
Cosmonaut X
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Spiegel said:
Just for shits and giggles...
Jaded Alyx
Member
Well...no...Grimmy said:
Jaded Alyx said:
That's my point. Mot of these games are pretty old. If you look at the 360 or the PS3, most of the games are from the last 2 months of release. Frankly I would have thought the software sales would have been worse. I certainly didn't find much to buy - except for Super Stardust.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Spiegel...
He's saying developers have placed expectations too high for PSP games, not that the platform is incapable of selling that high, but that the history isn't there.
He's not passing judgment on the platform, nor excusing Wii bombs. He's saying developers expect more then the market is going to give them.
They have done the same with a smattering of Wii titles as well. Expecting more then the market was going to give.Know your market, know your sales.
He's really not trying to fight with you, or excuse failures on competing platforms. He's giving you insight into the market today.
And he's right. Aside from a few titles the PSP sells little. Aside from a few titles the Wii sells little.
Dev costs, time spent, and release dates all need to come into this, and I'm sure they do, but right now they seem to expect a PS2 level environment from software that barely comes close to successes on that platform. They expect that with both the PSP and Wii, when the DS seems to be the new home of the PS2 gamer.
He's saying developers have placed expectations too high for PSP games, not that the platform is incapable of selling that high, but that the history isn't there.
He's not passing judgment on the platform, nor excusing Wii bombs. He's saying developers expect more then the market is going to give them.
They have done the same with a smattering of Wii titles as well. Expecting more then the market was going to give.Know your market, know your sales.
He's really not trying to fight with you, or excuse failures on competing platforms. He's giving you insight into the market today.
And he's right. Aside from a few titles the PSP sells little. Aside from a few titles the Wii sells little.
Dev costs, time spent, and release dates all need to come into this, and I'm sure they do, but right now they seem to expect a PS2 level environment from software that barely comes close to successes on that platform. They expect that with both the PSP and Wii, when the DS seems to be the new home of the PS2 gamer.
test_account
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Ye, i agree, it is different ways to look at itLiabe Brave said:
I didnt say he was wrong to say "LOLTASTIC" (i dont claim that you said i did that, just to underline that), i just asked him if he thought that based on the relatively poor game support that the PSP have had in 2008, at least when it comes to many games that has/had the potential to sell alot of copies.Indeed, many people have a PSP in the US, so if you look at the PSP install base in the US and compare those numbers to the 3.7 million PSP games that were sold in December, then it might look kinda bad, i agree. But what is the more "correct" (or what i shall say) comparison, to look at the total install base and then on the software sales, or to look at which games and how many games that have come out for the PSP (or any systems for that matter) the last year or so, and then based on this info, to see if the software sale is good, "ok"/decent/expected or bad?Liabe Brave said:
I would say that both of these comparison are valid, so i guess it depends on how you look at it
Personally i think that the PS3 have had a more appealing software lineup overall compared to the PSP software lineup in 2008.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
HiResDes said:
Aside from their triforce of JRPG's that came out some time ago what else has selling potential?
Pai Pai Master said:
I meant quality wise. (Yes I'm aware that LBP and Resistance but they are the exception).
OldJadedGamer said:
Yep. There's a reason why Persona 4 is on the PS2 instead of a current gen console.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Flying_Phoenix said:
Star Ocean 4 dude.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Lightning said:
uh, no, because it's exclusive to a platform that doesn't even have that many units sold?
The biggest benefit to them is not the business they did for themselves, but the business they have prevented. They have tied up all these teams and people for such a long time. Some of them might have built PS3 or multiplatform games (before PS3's trajectory even became what it is now) but they were already occupied with something else.test_account said:
You have to be kidding, right? What DS game was released in December? Chrono Trigger? Which didn't even chart (I assume it was barely within the sales period or something if that was the case). Those PSP numbers are just plain horrific, there is no 2 ways about it.Grimmy said:
But this is completely irrelevant in a Media Create thread.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
HK-47 said:
I'm pretty sure it did. I remember being surprised to see it do so well.
EDIT: If not I'm pretty sure it was within 100k of it.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Other Japanese releases worth pointing out:Grimmy said:
SO3 Director's Cut: 146,859
SO3 Ultimate Hits: 29,953
Angelus Errare
Banned
Lightning said:
630k copies in NA
710k in Japan
Around 1.34m between NA + JP
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
HK-47 said:
Well besides the games I mentioned and Uncharted/Ratchet most games can't compare to Nintendo, SEGA, or Microsoft games (IMO), definitely no the N64.
...Personally I don't even know.:lol
jeremy1456 said:
I meant as of right now.
test_account
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I agree that this discussion doesnt quite fit to take place in a Media Create thread, since it is mostly about the sales and the gaming situation in Japan, but i just want to comment alittle on regarding the November and December releases of the DS and the PSP games in the US. Looking at to ToTheGame.com:Meier said:
DS November 2008 games (49 games)
PSP November 2008 games (5 games)
DS December 2008 games (12 games)
PSP December 2008 games (0 games)
EDIT: I see that you only mentioned December, but since Grimmy mentioned November, i posted the info for that month as well
Unfortunately i dont know too much about ToTheGame.com so i dont know if they count every game though. I havnt looked too much through the list of which games that came out either, but the DS software releases are at least much more healthy overall in numbers compared to the PSP games in November and in December. The DS is a monster when it comes to sales
The same cant be said really be said about the PSP :\ If the PSP software sales were good for what it is in December, i guess it depends on how you look at things. I guess that i can be correct to say that the software sales were bad and not so bad depening on how you look at things
Personally i think that the PSP software sales number for December in the US can be looked at in more than just one way depending on what factors you take into concideration, but that is just my opinion test_account
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Infinite Undiscovery = 96,197Kagari said:
The Last Remnant = 118,842
Famitsu numbers (from Garaph.info).
I guess both will increase abit in numbers when the Famitsu and the Media Create Top 500 lists for 2008 comes out
SimpleDesign
Member
Didn't Infinite Undiscovery end up selling more world wide than Radiata Stories (416,000-PS2)?cvxfreak said:
SimpleDesign
Member
Infinite Undiscovery was released the same year as Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia and The Last Remnant. It also released a month from Fable 2 and Fallout 3.cvxfreak said:
What was the budget for Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Remnant, I'm interested.
I don't think so. IU is sub-100k in Japan and price collapsed in America to half price in a month and can now be had for 9 dollars. I don't think IU sold 150k in EU and NA to beat out Radiata.SimpleDesign said:
As I've said before, Star Ocean 4 is the real test. It's not a new IP. There's real equity in the brand. It's performance in America is almost an entirely separate issue because it will need to shatter what has become an Xbox 360 JRPG glass ceiling to be considered a success really.
Meier said:
IU is an absolutely horrible game, but TLR is not.
SimpleDesign
Member
I remember seeing a chart released by Square Enix or something showing sales of the games released this year, I'm having trouble finding it though. I do remember IU being over 400,000 though.Y2Kev said:
SimpleDesign said:
Square claims to have shipped 410,000 copies of IU. More will never be reordered, it will never be restocked (it won't sell another unit past 410,000). It won't, then, outsell Radiata.
Worse, I think, is that Square is probably going to be salting the earth with retailers in the future if they have to stuff channels with crap that isn't going to sell. I don't know what EBGames and walmart have arranged with their distributors, but if I were the buyer, I would not buy 200,000 copies of the next square RPG unless it was a big fuckin' name. And that's really dangerous.
I think this process is considerably more visible in Japan.
SimpleDesign
Member
Ok so it basically sold as much as Radiata, now does anyone know the budget of it and TLR?Y2Kev said:
SimpleDesign
Member
You mean like Bethesda with Fallout 3 or Namco with Soul Calibur IV?Y2Kev said:
How much has IU sold in America so far?
SimpleDesign
Member
It wouldn't surprise me at all if they did the same thing with Tales of Vesperia.Y2Kev said:
SimpleDesign said:
Lost Odyssey was 2007 in Japan. Fable 2 and Fallout 3 are also relatively non-factors in Japan.
The PSP, DS and PS2 also see many RPGs hit at similar time periods. 2007 for the DS had FFIV, DQIV and ToI hit for the holidays. In 2004, DQVIII hit a few weeks before Tales of Rebirth.
Liabe Brave
Member
They had to be much higher.SimpleDesign said:
Also, in Japan Radiata Stories sold more than three times as well as Infinite Undiscovery.
Well now, there seems to be a huge glut of games with no time and effort put into them this generation, at least according to this thread. Is this a new trend or has it been going on for a lot longer?
Perhaps the developers are intentionally releasing games of low quality and spending a few weeks on development so they will have an excuse when it doesn't sell.
Perhaps the developers are intentionally releasing games of low quality and spending a few weeks on development so they will have an excuse when it doesn't sell.
LTTP, but:
It isn't conceivable that the majority of the PowerPro fanbase has remained on the PS2 or that the Wii version, that doesn't take advantage of any of the system's unique values, isn't as appealing naturally? My point is simple: If you want your game to appeal to the Wii audience, you have to make it fit within the philosphy of the core product. Playing the 'it's cheaper' card isn't going to win you any favors when people are already quite happy with the PS2 offering and the Wii version isn't providing any incentive beyond it.
I don't see why this is so difficult to understand. Put motion control in the game, its sales would be far higher. It's like the polar opposite of PES Wii: That game took advantage of what the Wii offered it and it sold because of that. That's where the interest was - seeing a game play uniquely to the console its on, and play well.
schuelma said:
It isn't conceivable that the majority of the PowerPro fanbase has remained on the PS2 or that the Wii version, that doesn't take advantage of any of the system's unique values, isn't as appealing naturally? My point is simple: If you want your game to appeal to the Wii audience, you have to make it fit within the philosphy of the core product. Playing the 'it's cheaper' card isn't going to win you any favors when people are already quite happy with the PS2 offering and the Wii version isn't providing any incentive beyond it.
I don't see why this is so difficult to understand. Put motion control in the game, its sales would be far higher. It's like the polar opposite of PES Wii: That game took advantage of what the Wii offered it and it sold because of that. That's where the interest was - seeing a game play uniquely to the console its on, and play well.