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[donny2112]

I'm starting to think that nintendo had better take psp seriously

If Nintendo was making a multi-media convergence device whose main selling point was not store-bought games, I'd agree.

Did MK Wii surpass SSBB yet?

It's still got about 40K to go.

 

[Error]

MH3 won't do shit on any console. The reason why the games sell so well on the PSP is because people like the idea of being able to play together in the same room.

Same reason why Phantasy Star Portable's 1st week sales is several times more than PSU on the PS2.

Yes.

 

[linsivvi]

I see your point but I think Capcom made a really really good decision for Monster Hunter 3.

Oh I don't disagree with that either. Regardless the console version should get a *slight* boost due to the insane popularity of the handheld version and the free online play. The PS2 games did very well considering you have to pay a monthly fee to play those games.

 

[Olaeh]

I just now noticed MKDS dropped out of the top 30. When did that happen? Anyone know it's LTD? I wonder if MKWii can catch it.

 

[distantmantra]

Oh I don't disagree with that either. Regardless the console version should get a *slight* boost due to the insane popularity of the handheld version and the free online play. The PS2 games did very well considering you have to pay a monthly fee to play those games.

Were the PS2 games pay to play in Japan? I loved the free online play with the original PS2 game in the US.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

Yes.

Correct.

I expect MH3 Wii to do about 1 million. I expect MHP3 to do about 3 million.

 

[Olaeh]

Correct.

I expect MH3 Wii to do about 1 million. I expect MHP3 to do about 3 million.

That would make it the best selling 3rd party console game this gen, wouldn't it?

 

[linsivvi]

Were the PS2 games pay to play in Japan? I loved the free online play with the original PS2 game in the US.

Capcom used a 3rd party online match making service that serves all their PS2 online games (Gundam, RE Outbreak, etc). So it's like Xbox Live but without all those awesome features.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I think MH3 will almost assuredly pass 1 million, maybe make it to 2 or 3.

 

[Firestorm]

It's still got about 40K to go.

What's Brawl at LTD in Japan? Are there Media Create numbers or just Famitsu?

 

[Avrum]

I'm starting to think that nintendo had better take psp seriously

Just wondering but for the year, what gains over DS has the PSP made?

 

[Rock_Man]

I made the same exact argument in my latest poll/discussion over at LC. Basically, Sony should follow the (DS-->DS Lite) and (PSP --> PSP Slim) models for reviving their hardware. I didn't say it there, but a PS3 revision seems to be the only intelligent option for Sony to pursue.

I don't see how a hardware revision of a console can be comparable to a portable hardware revision (If the revision doesn't mean they make PS3 portable). When a portable system is smaller it is also more portable and that is a very important property for a portable system.

Edit: I'm now reading LC. It was not DS Lite itself that caused the boost of hardware. It was Animal Crossing, Mario Kart and Brain Training 1&2 in Japan (and later New SMB and Pokemon). The original DS had a bigger week in 2005 than DSL ever got and from there on they had huge problems with shortages. It may sound cliché but software sells hardware more than anything else.

 

[Pachael]

I don't see how a hardware revision of a console can be comparable to a portable hardware revision (If the revision doesn't mean they make PS3 portable). When a portable system is smaller it is also more portable and that is a very important property for a portable system.

Last gen we had debates over how the size of a console system affected its popularity (aka Xboxen can't fit in a small Japanese apartment)

 

[Rock_Man]

Last gen we had debates over how the size of a console system affected its popularity (aka Xboxen can't fit in a small Japanese apartment)

But they won't buy hardware for hundreds of dollars if the games aren't there, no matter how tiny the hardware is.

 

[Paracelsus]

But they won't buy hardware for hundreds of dollars if the games aren't there, no matter how tiny the hardware is.

By the time the revision will be made the games will unavoidably be there.

Fact is that people expect the revision to happen soon, which is doubtful.

 

[u_neek]

Hooray! P4 must be about 250k now - how much did P3 sell?

 

[Paracelsus]

Hooray! P4 must be about 250k now - how much did P3 sell?

210.319

 

[_Alkaline_]

Wow! Soul Calibur 360 actually pulled very decent numbers. Impressive.

Fatal Frame also had quite a good week. Its legs will be interesting. Unfortunately I expect it to quickly slide down the charts.

Wario Land - . That's all I have to say. Damn you Japan.

 

[Tmac]

And 360 sales continue to climb!

It responds to software. Despite all the BS people talk on boards about japanese not liking an "american" console, the reality is, they, like everyone else, buy software. M$ never had a decent lineup suited for japanese consumers taste.

With the upcomming vesperia we'll have a rare momment. M$ should had dropped the price for sc4 and vesperia to maximize their boost... but well... they are microsoft...

 

[Rolf NB]

By the time the revision will be made the games will unavoidably be there.

Fact is that people expect the revision to happen soon, which is doubtful.

The PS3 started out so big, they could shrink it twice over its lifespan. Just saying. I'd myself be shocked if a (visible) revision happened this year.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Wow! Soul Calibur 360 actually pulled very decent numbers. Impressive.

Fatal Frame also had quite a good week. Its legs will be interesting. Unfortunately I expect it to quickly slide down the charts.

Mm. We'll see how much effect the word-of-mouth about bugs has had on it, but that seems likely. I'm hopeful it can pull in at least another 10-15k before disappearing & maybe crawl to a 50k+ LTD.

Wario Land - . That's all I have to say. Damn you Japan.

Why? It might not have had the stellar sales it seems to deserve, but it seems to be holding OK at around 20k in its second week so it doesn't look like it's been totally rejected.

 

[Arde5643]

Fatal Frame 4 BOMB

It sold 33K out of its 35K 1st week shipment in its first week (about 94% sell-through).
It's kinda hard to bomb when no one is able to find the game.

In other words, repeating what Panther said earlier, "srsly?" :lol

 

[Rock_Man]

I'm surprised at how often all 6 systems are represented in the top 10. I think it has happened more than 3 times in a year. Every time it happens I think it's the last time, but I don't this time since both PSP and Xb360 actually are on the rise now.

 

[Private Hoffman]

FF did as expected, I think.

Regarding the PSP, I think Sony could easily use it as a model of how to build success from disaster with its PS3 in Japan. It will be interesting to see in 2009-2010 if they change marketing strategies.

I've always felt this was inevitable for the PS3.

It's not one single factor that has raised the PSP's status in Japan; clearly, it's a number of important changes that made the hardware more appealing to Japanese audiences. Namely, the software content has been significantly improved. There's a number of very popular Japanese titles (FF, Monster Hunter, etc) that have made the platform viable for Japanese tastes. Additionally, the lowered price and slim line PSP have also contributed to its success. Now, Sony is seeing a very bright future for the PSP in Japan, especially so with Square's renewed faith in the platform.

The Playsation 3 should receive a similar twist of fate. It's not so much that gamers are completely turned off of the Playstation entirely; this is the same country that has a history of embracing the Playstation brand and is now doing so with the PSP. It's just that right now there's no compelling reason for most Japanese gamers to purchase a Playstation 3 yet. Yet being the operative word. There's very little compelling software for Japanese gamer's tastes, the price is still fairly high, and the system is rather large. If Final Fantasy XIII is released in Japan in late 2009, it would certainly benefit Sony to drop the price or make a hardware revision alongside its release; preferably both if possible, and I really would see this simultaneous release to represent the shift most people are expecting.

The Wii is in a unique position in Japan in the sense that: 1) It's already cheap. 2) It's already small. 3) Nintendo has been churning out some great games that appeal to Japanese gamers.

 

[Kiriku]

Seems like the software situation is slightly improving for PSP in Japan. 6 out of 30 may not be that impressive for the best-selling hardware, but it's a hell of a lot better than I remember it being before, where PSP was lucky to grab 1 or 2 spots. Hopefully it encourages Japanese developers to keep releasing PSP games in the future.

 

[Amir0x]

ohboyohboyohboy Rhythm Heaven come to me USA USA!

 

[Saint10118]

The Wii is in a unique position in Japan in the sense that: 1) It's already cheap. 2) It's already small. 3) Nintendo has been churning out some great games that appeal to Japanese gamers.

fixed.

 

[cvxfreak]

I've always felt this was inevitable for the PS3.

It's not one single factor that has raised the PSP's status in Japan; clearly, it's a number of important changes that made the hardware more appealing to Japanese audiences. Namely, the software content has been significantly improved. There's a number of very popular Japanese titles (FF, Monster Hunter, etc) that have made the platform viable for Japanese tastes. Additionally, the lowered price and slim line PSP have also contributed to its success. Now, Sony is seeing a very bright future for the PSP in Japan, especially so with Square's renewed faith in the platform.

The Playsation 3 should receive a similar twist of fate. It's not so much that gamers are completely turned off of the Playstation entirely; this is the same country that has a history of embracing the Playstation brand and is now doing so with the PSP. It's just that right now there's no compelling reason for most Japanese gamers to purchase a Playstation 3 yet. Yet being the operative word. There's very little compelling software for Japanese gamer's tastes, the price is still fairly high, and the system is rather large. If Final Fantasy XIII is released in Japan in late 2009, it would certainly benefit Sony to drop the price or make a hardware revision alongside its release; preferably both if possible, and I really would see this simultaneous release to represent the shift most people are expecting.

The Wii is in a unique position in Japan in the sense that: 1) It's already cheap. 2) It's already small. 3) Nintendo has been churning out some great games that appeal to Japanese gamers.

I get this same vibe myself, strangely, and the PSP's high performance this past year helps reinforce that vibe.

 

[Miburou]

not having a release date still means not getting the game though. ;P

It's out on the 18th of September in Japan. Or did you mean in North America?

Is that disc sales only?

Yes. The game was available in Japan on PSN for a reduced price, but only for a limited time (3 days or so). I wish Sony would release sales figures of their PSN game (they released figures for GT5P, over 2M WW, but I'm not sure if that included the PSN or not).

 

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

i have a question was wondering if anyone can help me. can i play EU games on a japanese 360 and vise versa?


it would be greatly appreciated if someone could help. thanks again

 

[Spiegel]

Seems like the software situation is slightly improving for PSP in Japan. 6 out of 30 may not be that impressive for the best-selling hardware, but it's a hell of a lot better than I remember it being before, where PSP was lucky to grab 1 or 2 spots. Hopefully it encourages Japanese developers to keep releasing PSP games in the future.

But donny says that the main selling point is not store-bought games.

I'd like to know what is the main selling point.

 

[Kiriku]

But donny says that the main selling point is not store-bought games.

I'd like to know what is the main selling point.

Doesn't really matter though, as long as games are a big enough selling point.

 

[Raggy]

Is Siren: New Translation, the same as Siren: Blood Curse ?

 

[jesusraz]

Did we not get the usual leaked Famitsu Top 30 this week?

Separate note, thanks to donny for posting the full listings I requested in the other thread a while back

 

[Paracelsus]

i have a question was wondering if anyone can help me. can i play EU games on a japanese 360 and vise versa?


it would be greatly appreciated if someone could help. thanks again

There's no absolute answer.

There are some PAL games you can play on a Japanese 360 and viceversa, but not all of them are like this.

 

[Aeris130]

But donny says that the main selling point is not store-bought games.

I'd like to know what is the main selling point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSq-UPlPuEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx5F8q-F3Yo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbfZHUbFRno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E8nH_w-cqo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9puz3xKFIFg

I'm honestly not too sure, but there's ~5 seconds worth of gameplay footage in total (and 4 of those are in the first one). Although it should be noted that the japanese commercials seems way more gameplay-focused than the avant-garde stuff above.

 

[Rolf NB]

But donny says that the main selling point is not store-bought games.

I'd like to know what is the main selling point.

Has to be music/video/web stuff and some of the less official functions.
It's still extremely puzzling to me how something that ostensibly rides on its strength as a convergence device can start to surge just now, when other, far more ubiquitous convergence devices (phones, cameras) have largely caught up to its (official) feature set. The PSP's media functionality should help it less now than it did at launch, and not more.
One way or another, this has to be about games.

 

[dionysus]

Hopefully PSPPSP will show some legs and keep the hope for Sega alive for a few more years!

 

[botticus]

Fatal Frame also had quite a good week. Its legs will be interesting. Unfortunately I expect it to quickly slide down the charts.

As duckroll mentioned, unfortunately word of mouth is terrible for the game, so that is going to kill any potential legs. But who knows, maybe some "expanded audience" will accidentally buy it this week.

 

[Kilrogg]

Go go go, Rhythm Tengoku Gold!

And here I thought the game, despite its efforts, would be somewhat niche. I don't know why, I just had that feeling, but I'm happy to be wrong on this one .

Do we know the first week sales and LTD of the GBA game?

 

[justjohn]

yes because donny's words are the ultimate and final say rather than some geek who's just happens to be good at graghs and pie charts. or is that joshua stone? i honestly cant keep up.

 

[donny2112]

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Week       System  Total Top 30  Hardware     Weekly
                    (Famitsu) (Media-Create) Tie Ratio (Fam Top 30 SW/MC HW)
20080106     PSP      87,698      218,234       0.4
20080113     PSP      42,945       96,159       0.4
20080120     PSP      33,268       79,923       0.4
20080127     PSP     115,394       77,933       1.5
20080203     PSP      40,835       72,528       0.6
20080210     PSP     139,718       75,912       1.8
20080217     PSP      48,496       59,654       0.8
20080224     PSP      80,345       53,373       1.5
20080302     PSP      53,304       73,706       0.7
20080309     PSP      25,748       53,924       0.5
20080316     PSP      18,839       57,651       0.3
20080323     PSP      77,870       59,833       1.3
20080330     PSP     887,833      129,986       6.8
20080406     PSP     659,365      120,964       5.5
20080413     PSP     234,148       85,721       2.7
20080420     PSP     168,230       85,421       2.0
20080427     PSP     138,601       92,411       1.5
20080504     PSP     129,098      100,870       1.3
20080511     PSP     101,051       89,884       1.1
20080518     PSP      95,362       70,536       1.4
20080525     PSP      62,722       64,449       1.0
20080601     PSP     221,279       71,986       3.1
20080608     PSP      79,371       62,016       1.3
20080615     PSP      58,636       64,675       0.9
20080622     PSP     136,234       59,351       2.3
20080629     PSP      91,525       58,861       1.6
20080706     PSP      50,109       56,439       0.9
20080713     PSP      52,357       56,998       0.9
20080720     PSP     183,731       74,024       2.5

 

[BishopLamont]

yes because donny's words are the ultimate and final say rather than some geek who's just happens to be good at graghs and pie charts. or is that joshua stone? i honestly cant keep up.

So what do you think of the PSP?

 

[CorwinB]

If Final Fantasy XIII is released in Japan in late 2009, it would certainly benefit Sony to drop the price or make a hardware revision alongside its release; preferably both if possible, and I really would see this simultaneous release to represent the shift most people are expecting.

In other words, "Wait for FF13".

 

[John Harker]

Looks like FF4 sold its entire first shipment! Nice. Ceiling that shiz. (Too bad control issues and bad word of mouth will likely kill it)

Did Fatal Frame outsell Siren's first day?
What's the highest selling non-RE horror game this gen?

 

[linsivvi]

Hopefully PSPPSP will show some legs and keep the hope for Sega alive for a few more years!

If they don't release an English version by the end of this year they deserve to die.

This is the game I want the most right now.

 

[schuelma]

Pretty good week overall.

Warioland showing some major legs. I bet it will have reached 100K when Famitsu's top 500 comes out in a year.

 

[linsivvi]

Looks like FF4 sold its entire first shipment! Nice. Ceiling that shiz. (Too bad control issues and bad word of mouth will likely kill it)

Did Fatal Frame outsell Siren's first day?
What's the highest selling non-RE horror game this gen?

Very close. Siren did 34532 last week. Not counting the download version of course.

 

[Xenu]

Is Phantasy Star Universe any good?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I was thinking that the console and handheld titles were the same. And when Capcom announced MH3 for Wii, it meant that the future MH games would be exclusive to Wii. I see I was wrong.

Well, it'll probably be exclusive in the same way that Viewtiful Joe and Resident Evil 4 are GameCube exclusive, or Dead Rising an X360 exclusive.

And copied from the old thread...

Joshua, you should allow for more than 6 lines when viewing them like this. That way we could add Nintendo and Microsoft to the same graph without having any big problems distinguish them from each other.

It can have more than 6; I just didn't want to make the generator pages ridiculously long before getting to the "Submit" button at the bottom. If you look at the URLs you can probably see where one ends and another begins, so by copy/pasting a portion and changing the values and number in brackets more can be added, which is what I've usually done for images with many lines. However, an alternate page with several times as many inputs might not be a bad idea.

Really the only limit is that eventually the image will try to take longer to process than the server allows for a single run of a PHP program, but I've only run across that as an issue when trying to graph several dozen games' sales simultaneously. Oh, and that after a while it runs out of the color list I gave, and they start to repeat.

IIRC, the 360 crossed streams with the PS3 before the PS3 did the same to the Wii.

Exciting times.