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[duckroll]

360 sales suck really badly in Japan, this is a pretty established fact. "Really good" in terms of 360 software simply means above 50k, and "holy shit amazing" is over 100k.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Oh yeah, I know that, but on slow weeks a lot of the time the #1 seller on Media Create's charts doesn't even break 40,000 units. It is too bad for Microsoft that they didn't release some of their more popular 360 games on slower weeks with less competition like they did with Halo 3.

 

[Gaborn]

360 sales suck really badly in Japan, this is a pretty established fact. "Really good" in terms of 360 software simply means above 50k, and "holy shit amazing" is over 100k.

I agree with you completely, although it's probably worth noting that it's still selling phenomenally well compared to the original xbox. Still shitty compared to every other system? Yep, and it'll never be more than a distant, distant distant 3rd place system, but that context is worth noting, I think Microsoft probably considers it a success in that sense.

 

[duckroll]

I agree with you completely, although it's probably worth noting that it's still selling phenomenally well compared to the original xbox. Still shitty compared to every other system? Yep, and it'll never be more than a distant, distant distant 3rd place system, but that context is worth noting, I think Microsoft probably considers it a success in that sense.

Comparing anything with the "success" of the original Xbox in Japan is like comparing a failed business venture with that of the Phantom. Based on what MS has been saying about Japan previously and now, I don't really think they consider it a success at all. They've just moved on in that aspect and no longer think too much about the failure and instead look towards worldwide sales. It's silly to think MS did not intend on capturing the Japanese market in a much bigger way originally, things just didn't work out for them. Crappy marketing, poor consumer communication, doomed branding. Lots of factors there.

 

[ivysaur12]

360 sales suck really badly in Japan, this is a pretty established fact. "Really good" in terms of 360 software simply means above 50k, and "holy shit amazing" is over 100k.

Any next-gen game doing over 100k in Japan is holy shit amazing these days.

 

[duckroll]

Any next-gen game doing over 100k in Japan is holy shit amazing these days.

That's not really true. Most PS3 games with some sort of hype behind them clear 100k pretty easily. Even Valkyria did. For the PS3, the "holy shit" window is above 200k or so. Still pretty low though.

 

[ivysaur12]

That's not really true. Most PS3 games with some sort of hype behind them clear 100k pretty easily. Even Valkyria did. For the PS3, the "holy shit" window is above 200k or so. Still pretty low though.

Looking over the PS3 releases, maybe 200k would be better. But even then...

 

[donny2112]

For the PS3, the "holy crap" window is above 200k or so. Still pretty low though.

Only 3 360 games have passed 100K (BD, DOA4, LO). 15 PS3 games have passed 100K, 8 have passed 200K, and 5 have passed 300K.

Edit:
For completeness, 29 Wii games have passed 100K, 17 have passed 200K, and 13 have passed 300K.

 

[sankao]

Comparing anything with the "success" of the original Xbox in Japan is like comparing a failed business venture with that of the Phantom. Based on what MS has been saying about Japan previously and now, I don't really think they consider it a success at all. They've just moved on in that aspect and no longer think too much about the failure and instead look towards worldwide sales. It's silly to think MS did not intend on capturing the Japanese market in a much bigger way originally, things just didn't work out for them. Crappy marketing, poor consumer communication, doomed branding. Lots of factors there.

I don't know if a complete analysis of Microsoft's failure in Japan has been written. Particularly concerning the 360, because in this case they have the software to back them up. All I have read is stories/rumors about terrible marketing and such, but nothing really thorough. It seems that most people stop at japanese chauvinism.

 

[thestopsign]

Looks like ToV and Halo 3 have a good chance to be close friends.

I don't know if Tales will beat either Phantasy Star or Rhythm Heaven's second week. They all should be pretty close to each other either way, as I expect good legs out of both of those titles barring shortages.

 

[duckroll]

It seems that most people stop at japanese chauvinism.

That's the easiest reason to use, and I do believe that it *does* factor in. The reality is the MS has dropped the ball in a lot of other ways as well, so it really doesn't help. One key problem is that in many cases MS pushes a lot of their western games as key titles on the system in Japan, and it definitely hurts. It's getting a lot better now, with many more Japanese originated titles being the focus of their events and presentations instead. You can see the same effect this has on the PS3 in Japan as well. Sony's first party line-up is very western-centric even in Japan, and that definitely isn't helping the system in Japan one bit. If you follow MS' marketing campaigns and slogans for the 360 in Japan, they're pretty damn horrible as well. There's nothing catchy or cool about them and it makes it really confusing as to who they're really targeting for the system.

I don't know if Tales will beat either Phantasy Star or Rhythm Heaven's second week. They all should be pretty close to each other either way, as I expect good legs out of both of those titles barring shortages.

Heh, I forgot about that completely. I expect both RTG and PSP to still be over 100k next week. Sucks for Scamco then. :lol

 

[AranhaHunter]

Am I being unrealistic in expecting the 360 to sell at least 20k units next week?

 

[LunarMaster]

Only 3 360 games have passed 100K (BD, DOA4, LO). 15 PS3 games have passed 100K, 8 have passed 200K, and 5 have passed 300K.

Edit:
For completeness, 29 Wii games have passed 100K, 17 have passed 200K, and 13 have passed 300K.

I thought Ace Combat 6 did at least 100K and BD did over 200K?

 

[duckroll]

I thought Ace Combat 6 did at least 100K and BD did over 200K?

AC6 did really close and technically SHOULD have passed 100k, but we don't have the numbers to back it up since it was released near the end of the year, and by the end of Dec it didn't pass 100k yet. Blue Dragon cleared 200k yes, and it's the only 360 game to do so.

 

[zoku88]

Only 3 360 games have passed 100K (BD, DOA4, LO). 15 PS3 games have passed 100K, 8 have passed 200K, and 5 have passed 300K.

Edit:
For completeness, 29 Wii games have passed 100K, 17 have passed 200K, and 13 have passed 300K.

When you break it up like that, do those 8 games that passed 200K also belong to the group of games that passed 100K or did you separate the groups?

 

[donny2112]

When you break it up like that, do those 8 games that passed 200K also belong to the group of games that passed 100K or did you separate the groups?

It's cumulative, so all the 200K+ games are also counted in the 100K+ group. You can check Japan-GameCharts for the full listing.

 

[zoku88]

It's cumulative, so all the 200K+ games are also counted in the 100K+ group. You can check Japan-GameCharts for the full listing.

Thanks for that link.


Huh, I didnt know Zeonic Front sold 200K.. They should make another one >.>

 

[Zihark]

Am I being unrealistic in expecting the 360 to sell at least 20k units next week?

Yes. Hmmm along with PSP, RH can maybe Fire Emblem chart in the top 5? Interested to see if being on DS will increase FE's numbers.

 

[JaMarco]

Interested to see if being on DS will increase FE's numbers.

For some reason I doubt it. I think FEDS will probably pull near the same numbers as Radiant Dawn.

 

[duckroll]

For some reason I doubt it. I think FEDS will probably pull near the same numbers as Radiant Dawn.

It'll be interesting to see if the game being a remake will help or hinder sales. I'm actually rather pessimistic about that because the Fire Emblem fanbase tends to be more hardcore and some of them might be less interested in a game they played before.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

That's the easiest reason to use, and I do believe that it *does* factor in. The reality is the MS has dropped the ball in a lot of other ways as well, so it really doesn't help. One key problem is that in many cases MS pushes a lot of their western games as key titles on the system in Japan, and it definitely hurts. It's getting a lot better now, with many more Japanese originated titles being the focus of their events and presentations instead. You can see the same effect this has on the PS3 in Japan as well. Sony's first party line-up is very western-centric even in Japan, and that definitely isn't helping the system in Japan one bit. If you follow MS' marketing campaigns and slogans for the 360 in Japan, they're pretty damn horrible as well. There's nothing catchy or cool about them and it makes it really confusing as to who they're really targeting for the system.



Heh, I forgot about that completely. I expect both RTG and PSP to still be over 100k next week. Sucks for Scamco then. :lol

Yeah, launching the system with stuff like Perfect Dark Zero as their main title certainly didn't help them. The advertising that Microsoft Japan comes up with is just shit too. They spent all that money hiring on Tokio for those retarded "Do Do Do" commercials, but the average person had no idea what the hell they were advertising. The name Xbox itself is just a bad idea especially in Japan where "X" is pretty much synonymous with "bad".

 

[PantherLotus]

TOTALS:

CONSOLES:




HANDHELDS:

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

On one hand I'm happy for Sega with their PSUP success but on the other hand PSU sucks ass.

Conflicted =/

 

[PantherLotus]

On one hand I'm happy for Sega with their PSUP success but on the other hand PSU sucks ass.

Conflicted =/

Imagine how wii owners feel about dragon quest swords, wii play, and wii fit.

 

[Oblivion]

You mean the games that have legs for months on end?

Wario Land will still be on the charts for quite a while.

You're basing this on what exactly?

Wanna see this rock I have? It keeps tigers away.

I'll give you $50 for it.

Spoiler

Seriously, though I'm half asleep so what are you trying to say exactly about this.

 

[Kyoufu]

Imagine how wii owners feel about dragon quest swords, wii play, and wii fit.

And Mario Party!

 

[AniHawk]

Seriously, though I'm half asleep so what are you trying to say exactly about this.

The American market works differently than the Japanese market. It's not simply because the game didn't get enough hypetime that it failed. I doubt WarioLand's going to do wonders in America just because the genre's kinda dead on consoles. It will do better, but not because several thousand nerds on the internets knew about it months in advance.

 

[PantherLotus]

Ani those are trade secrets you're giving away.

 

[m3k]

Wanna see this rock I have? It keeps tigers away.

+1 for simpsons reference

 

[jesusraz]

The leaked numbers are on 2ch, but no one (including me) posted the full set this week. I just posted the hardware numbers from there on the first page.

Anyone able to translate the leaked numbers, please? And the usual hardware listing of TW | LW | YTD | LTD ?

 

[dabra]

Famitsu

1 PSP Phantasy Star Portable 329.000
2 NDS Rhythm Tengoku Gold 228.000
3 NDS Dragon Quest V 105.000　 / 969.000
4 PS3 Soul Calibur IV 74.000
5 PS2 Powerful Pro Baseball 15 2　40.000　 / 127.000
6 360 Soul Calibur IV 35.000
7 Wii Fatal Frame :The Mask of the Lunar Eclipse 30.000
8 Wii Wii Fit 　26.000　 /2.391.000
9 NDS Dokidoki Majo Shinpan! 2 19.000
10 Wii Wario Land Shake 18.000　 / 42.000

11 Wii Mario Kart Wii 18.000 / 1.619.000
12 PSP Gundam Battle Universe 18.000 / 211.000
13 Wii Wii Sports 12.000 / 3.067.000
15 PSP Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G 11.000 / 2.363.000
16 NDS Densetsu no Stafi: Taiketsu! Dire Kaizokudan 10.000 / 79.000
17 NDS Meccha Taiko Drum Master DS: Adventure in Seven Islands 10.000 / 262.000
19 NDS Mame Goma 2 10.000
20 PS2 Persona 4 10.000 / 274.000
21 PSP Eiyuu Densetsu: Sora no Kiseki the 3rd 10.000 / 59.000
22 Wii Powerful Pro Baseball 15 9.700 / 30.000
23 NDS Mario Kart DS 9.700 / 3.151.000
24 NDS Nobunaga's Ambition DS 2 9.400
25 NDS Major DS: Dream Baseball 9.400
26 PSP PC Engine Best Collention: Tengai Makyou Colection 8.700
27 Wii Super Mario Stadium: Family Baseball 8.400 / 143.000
28 NDS Derby Stallion DS 8.300 / 231.000
29 NDS Pokemon Diamond/Pearl 8.300 / 5.544.000
30 NDS Daigasso! Band Brothers DX 8.200 / 234.00

PSP PC Engine Best Collention: Galaxy Fraulein Collenction 5.500
PS2 Kano-Kon SE 4.900
NDS Panda's Diary 3.100
NDS Dokapon Journey 3.100
NDS Moe-Sta: Moeru English cram course for Tokyo University 2.000
NDS Steel Princess 1.700
PS3 Beijing Olympic Games 2008 1.600
NDS The Alchemist of Lemuol 1.500
Wii Dokapon Kingdom for Wii 1.300
NDS Windy Windam 1.100
NDS Ghost Hound DS 850
PSP Tengai Makyou: Daiyon no Mokushiroku (Hudson the Best) 760

 

[Miburou]

Great charts as always, PantherLotus, but why do you have Monster Hunter Portable twice on the Top 10 LTD PSP games chart?

 

[Yoshi]

Budget rerelease I'd guess

 

[zankara]

How come there is no Siren on the Famitsu chart? It's number 12 on Media Create?

 

[Psychotext]

So do we actually have any idea how many Vesperia bundles were shipped? I'd heard they sold out (which sounds to me like MS may have missed an opportunity).

 

[jesusraz]

Brilliant, thanks a lot dabra! Shame to see both Dokapon games faring so badly, along with Steal Princess...Anyone played Steal Princess yet, by the way? It arrived, but I've not had chance to dabble with it since Nanashi no Game and Rhythm Tengoku have been taking up too much time!

 

[solid2snake]

MGS4 already out of the top 30. :<

next-gen am cry?

great PSUPSP numbers, congrats SEGA.

 

[dabra]

first day sales

Fire Emblem DS 80k
Tales of Vesperia 70k

 

[jesusraz]

So it looks like first day sales are:

Tales of Vesperia (360) - 70,000 / 10,000 bundles
Fire Emblem (NDS) - 80,000

Unless I'm misinterpreting the garbled Google translation.

 

[adamma666]

not too shabby for both of them. but i hoped for at least 100,000 for Vesperia. I'm not sure if it will reach this mark with first week sales. it would be nice to see another 360 game doing okay in japan.

 

[Leezard]

How do these numbers compare to other portable Fire Emblems?

 

[slaughterking]

Very good sales for FE. <3

How do these numbers compare to other portable Fire Emblems?

It'll probably have the second best opening week.

Fire Emblem: The Sealed Sword: 126,267
Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword: 109,429
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones: 146,026

 

[Replicant]

How come there is no Siren on the Famitsu chart? It's number 12 on Media Create?

Notice how there's a missing number 14? I think there's a mistake there. Siren is number 12 and those that are in 12 and 13 should be in 13 and 14.

 

[manzo]

not too shabby for both of them. but i hoped for at least 100,000 for Vesperia. I'm not sure if it will reach this mark with first week sales. it would be nice to see another 360 game doing okay in japan.

Vesperia is doing good for a 360 software.

From 2ch GEHA:

Blue Dragon sold 82.286 on the first week, 203.740 lifetime
Lost Odyssey sold 60.376 on the first week, 108.269 lifetime

Tales sold ~70.000 on the first DAY, so I expect it to have around 170.000 lifetime sales.

Still, that's about half what the PS2 Tales games sold, them doing from 250k to 330k.

 

[ksamedi]

Nice first day numbers, Fire Emblem in particular.

 

[Leezard]

Very good sales for FE. <3



It'll probably have the second best opening week.

Fire Emblem: The Sealed Sword: 126,267
Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword: 109,429
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones: 146,026

Thanks, very nice numbers for FE then.

 

[Rock_Man]

Blue Dragon cleared 200k yes, and it's the only 360 game to do so.

I doubt so since Media Create reports sales of 139,689 in the 2007 top 500 chart. I point this out since the discrepancy is very large between the two trackers in this case.

 

[Spiegel]

Still, that's about half what the PS2 Tales games sold, them doing from 250k to 330k.

PS2 Tales were from 350k to 762k

If it ends at 170k that's not bad for a 360 game but bad for a mainline console Tales. But that was expected

 

[adamma666]

Vesperia is doing good for a 360 software.

I know. but I hoped it would sell better than Blue Dragon, as Tales is an established an popular franchise. you expect it to do worse than Blue Dragon too. and I thought this would not be the case. but I could be wrong, let's wait for the first week sales.

 

[adamma666]

I doubt so since Media Create reports sales of 139,689 in the 2007 top 500 chart. I point this out since the discrepancy is very large between the two trackers in this case.

well, Blue Dragon was released 12/07/06 in japan, so that could explain it.