Media Create Sales: 08/04 - 08/10

Stumpokapow said:
Tip for continuing to make charts:
- JPGs are for photographs/anything where details are not at all important.
- PNGs are for graphs/diagrams/screenshots of text/anything where small details are important.
- GIFs should only be used for animations.
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So, what is the difference between JPG and PNG ?
I thought that they are both :
- 256+ color, probably 16 Million color (24 bit, unlike GIF, which is 8 bit)
- lossy compression (unlike GIF, which is lossless)
- didn't support multi frame (which is supported by GIF)

I am especially curious about why PNG are better for small details, while JPG are not good for details. Is it in the compression method ?
 
charlequin said:
The reason to make it a png is that it'll be sharp instead of fuzzy, not really due to size.
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i284505_chartfordummies.png
 
apujanata said:
So, what is the difference between JPG and PNG ?
I thought that they are both :
- 256+ color, probably 16 Million color (24 bit, unlike GIF, which is 8 bit)
- lossy compression (unlike GIF, which is lossless)
- didn't support multi frame (which is supported by GIF)

I am especially curious about why PNG are better for small details, while JPG are not good for details. Is it in the compression method ?
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PNG is lossless and can do transparency, unlike jpeg.
 
Rock_Man said:
donny, will you fill in the rest?
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The Famitsu main site still hasn't updated. Based on past years, I don't think this will be the week that is skipped, so I'll put up the rest once the site is updated.

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1. PSP Phantasy Star Portable                           (SEGA)         148,230 / 490,000
2. NDS Fire Emblem: New Shadow Dragons and the Blade of (Nintendo)     144,905 / NEW
3. NDS Rhythm Tengoku Gold                              (Nintendo)     130,412 / 343,000
4. 360 Tales of Vesperia                                (Namco Bandai) 108,328 / NEW
5. NDS Dragon Quest V                                   (Square Enix)   72,598 / 1,019,000
6. NDS Sangokushi Taisen Ten                            (SEGA)          32,734 / NEW
7. NDS Summon Night 2                                   (Namco Bandai)  29,715 / NEW
8. WII Wii Fit                                          (Nintendo)      27,414 / 2,470,000
9. WII Mario Kart Wii                                   (Nintendo)      22,739 / 1,656,000
10. PS3 Soul Calibur IV                                 (Namco Bandai)  22,575 / 97,000

11. PS2 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15                  (Konami)
12. NDS Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2 - Banjou no  (Namco Bandai)
13. PSP Monster Hunter Portable 2 G                     (Capcom)
14. NDS Daigasso! Band Brothers DX                      (Nintendo)
15. WII Wario Land: Shake It!                           (Nintendo)
16. PS2 Soukoku no Kusabi: Scarlet Fragments 3          (Idea Factory)
17. PSP Gundam Battle Universe                          (Namco Bandai)
18. NDS Monster Farm DS 2: Yomigaeru! Master Breeder De (Tecmo)
19. NDS Beautiful Letter Training DS                    (Nintendo)
20. WII Fatal Frame: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse          (Nintendo)
21. WII Wii Sports                                      (Nintendo)
22. NDS Taiko Drum Master 2                             (Namco Bandai)
23. PS2 Persona 4                                       (Atlus Co.)
24. PSP Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Portable 3          (Konami)
25. 360 Soul Calibur IV                                 (Namco Bandai)
26. NDS Katekyoo Hitman Reborn! DS Flame Rumble Hyper - (Takara Tomy)
27. NDS Densetsu no Stafi: Taiketsu! Dire Kaizokudan    (Nintendo)
28. WII Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15                  (Konami)
29. PS3 SIREN: New Translation                          (SCEI)
30. WII Super Mario Stadium: Family Baseball            (Nintendo)

31. NDS Mario Kart DS                                   (Nintendo)
32. NDS Mame Goma 2: My Kid is Number One!              (TDK Core)
33. WII Wii Play                                        (Nintendo)
34. PS3 Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriot         (Konami)
35. NDS Wantame Variety Channel                         (Capcom)
36. NDS New Super Mario Bros.                           (Nintendo)
37. NDS Ron-Q! Highland in DS - Poo Poo Fart Festival S (3 O'Clock)
38. WII Family Trainer                                  (Namco Bandai)
39. NDS Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure                   (Nippon Ichi SW)
40. NDS Kirarin * Revolution: Minna de Odorou Furi Furi (Konami)
41. NDS Derby Stallion DS                               (Enterbrain)
42. NDS Trauma Center: Under the Knife 2                (Atlus Co.)
43. NDS Pokemon Diamond                                 (Pokemon Co.)
44. PSP Eiyuu Densetsu: Sora no Kiseki the 3rd          (Falcom)
45. WII Super Smash Bros. Brawl                         (Nintendo)
46. NDS We are Fossil Diggers                           (Nintendo)
47. WII Imabikisou: Kaimei Hen                          (SEGA)
48. NDS Tottadoo! Yoiko's Deserted Island Life          (Namco Bandai)
49. NDS Major DS: Dream Baseball                        (Takara Tomy)
50. WII Lost in Blue Wii                                (Konami)

Thanks for the suggestion, Jonnyram. :)
 
I was checking up some sales on Joshua's site (very useful, thanks for your hard work dude!) and as I checked up Metroid sales I thought, why the hell won't Nintendo make a brand new 2D Metroid for the DS? Even a remake just to test the waters shouldn't be very hard for Nintendo to punch out. Then again Metroid Zero Mission on the GBA and Metroid Prime Hunters sales probably made Nintendo forget about the whole thing.
 
donny2112 said:
The Famitsu main site still hasn't updated. Based on past years, I don't think this will be the week that is skipped, so I'll put up the rest once the site is updated.
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Hmm, yes you're right. Unfortunately that means we won't get a software pie chart for the ToV week, it will be combined with this week. So, the 360 spike will be less spiky.
 
JJS is too modest to promote his own work, unlike me, but I'm not:

MC 2008-08-04: Things of Note

JJS at LC said:
DS vs PSP: Weekly shares of 50.8 / 49.2, bringing total shares to 69.6 / 30.4 At this week's rates, PSP catches up to DS in -6,725.0 weeks (September 23, 1879). If DS stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 222.2 weeks (November 13, 2012).
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He also has an interesting comparison between the effect of Tales of... series on the GC and the 360 systems. Fun conclusions.

You can see his work HERE..

Keep up the awesome analysis JJ.
 
PantherLotus said:
JJS is too modest to promote his own work, unlike me, but I'm not:

MC 2008-08-04: Things of Note
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Well, most of what I put up there weekly is stuff that's been put in this thread first, though I did go a bit further with the hardware comparisons this time. Without new (official) Famitsu stuff to talk about too, it felt really short and uneventful otherwise.
 
PantherLotus said:
Oops -- I knew I forgot something. Here it is:

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Hardware - This Week | Last Week |       YTD |        LTD
1. NDS   -    60,434 |    57,398 | 1,938,946 |  23,111,550
2. PSP   -    58,501 |    61,181 | 2,510,556 |  10,112,156
3. WII   -    38,506 |    41,109 | 1,947,145 |   6,563,305
4. 360   -    24,962 |     5,359 |   120,598 |     627,939
5. PS3   -     9,673 |     9,508 |   618,991 |   2,260,667
6. PS2   -     8,503 |           |   235,686 |  21,162,723
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Thanks :)
PantherLotus said:
JJS is too modest to promote his own work, unlike me, but I'm not:

MC 2008-08-04: Things of Note
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Nice comparison but I think the PS3 at the bottom of the text should be PSP?
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Not sure where you mean?
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DS vs PSP: Weekly shares of 50.8 / 49.2, bringing total shares to 69.6 / 30.4 At this week's rates, PSP catches up to DS in -6,725.0 weeks (September 23, 1879???). If DS stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 222.2 weeks (November 13, 2012).
 
C.T. said:
DS vs PSP: Weekly shares of 50.8 / 49.2, bringing total shares to 69.6 / 30.4 At this week's rates, PSP catches up to DS in -6,725.0 weeks (September 23, 1879???). If DS stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 222.2 weeks (November 13, 2012).
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Aha, right. I need to make the VS pages just automatically generate those sentences, so I can stop making such mistakes.

Just for shits, if DS stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 2,155.5 weeks (December 2, 2049). :lol
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Aha, right. I need to make the VS pages just automatically generate those sentences, so I can stop making such mistakes.

Just for shits, if DS stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 2,155.5 weeks (December 2, 2049). :lol
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So Sony was right after all...
 
Rock_Man said:
Hardware bumpers of the year so far:
1. MGS4
2. ToV
3. MHP2G
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I'd like to know what games everyone else thinks could cause possible spikes from now to the end of the year.



360:
Infinite Undiscovery, 9/11/2008
Price Drop, September?
The Last Remnant, 11/20/2008
Banjo Kazooie, December?

PS3:
Price Drop, ?
LBP, 10/30/2008

Wii:
?

Then, maybe someone can plot them on a chart to give us an idea where to expect spikes from now until the end of the year.
 
jimbo said:
I'd like to know what games everyone else thinks could cause possible spikes from now to the end of the year.



360:
Infinite Undiscovery, 9/11/2008
Price Drop, September?
The Last Remnant, 11/20/2008
Banjo Kazooie, December?

PS3:
Price Drop, ?
LBP, 10/30/2008

Wii:
?

Then, maybe someone can plot them on a chart to give us an idea where to expect spikes from now until the end of the year.
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Wii Music and Animal Crossing: City Folk for the Wii, I'd suspect?
 
jimbo said:
I'd like to know what games everyone else thinks could cause possible spikes from now to the end of the year.



360:
Infinite Undiscovery, 9/11/2008
Price Drop, September?
The Last Remnant, 11/20/2008
Banjo Kazooie, December?

PS3:
Price Drop, ?
LBP, 10/30/2008

Wii:
?

Then, maybe someone can plot them on a chart to give us an idea where to expect spikes from now until the end of the year.
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I would be shocked if Banjo Kazooie had any noticable effect on 360 sales. Mostly because it's no longer being pushed by Nintendo.
 
DCharlie said:
360 might get a minor spike from Gears 2 combined with a price drop?
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I don't think the first one did anything for it though.

As far as Banjo goes, the first 2 did around 800k combined in Japan on the 64, although the second did take a huge drop compared to the first.
 
DCharlie said:
360 might get a minor spike from Gears 2 combined with a price drop?
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Don't think that will do much. The next action game that will do anything, unless I overlooked something, is Biohazard 5, but I expect the PS3 version to overshadow the 360 one.

The SE games should provide nice boosts, though.
 
jimbo said:
I don't think the first one did anything for it though.

As far as Banjo goes, the first 2 did around 800k combined in Japan on the 64, although the second did take a huge drop compared to the first.
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I don't think the fanbase of old has migrated to 360, nor do I think they feel the need to for Banjo.

The current 360 userbase in Japan will very likely not show a great interest in the game.

Animal Crossing could maybe do a big push but that depends if the majority of the people it appelas to are already on board with Wii. LR and IU should be able to push things a bit, depending on how the 360 sales develop from here on out.
 
Don't you think, though, with Microsoft's push in other markets (US, PAL) with casual games like YITM, and Scene It, that they would also attempt to carve out a small, semi-meaningful place with VP2 and BK3 for their casual tier?
 
Mr Killemgood said:
Don't you think, though, with Microsoft's push in other markets (US, PAL) with casual games like YITM, and Scene It, that they would also attempt to carve out a small, semi-meaningful place with VP2 and BK3 for their casual tier?
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What casual tier? 360 is the definition of Otaku machine in Japan.

DCharlie said:
360 might get a minor spike from Gears 2 combined with a price drop?
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Probably as much as PS3 will get from Resistance 2 (I imagine it's releasing in Japan this year too).
 
apujanata said:
So, what is the difference between JPG and PNG ?
I thought that they are both :
- 256+ color, probably 16 Million color (24 bit, unlike GIF, which is 8 bit)
- lossy compression (unlike GIF, which is lossless)
- didn't support multi frame (which is supported by GIF)

I am especially curious about why PNG are better for small details, while JPG are not good for details. Is it in the compression method ?
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PNG is lossless and can store different formats, including RGB24 but also paletted ("8 bit"). It also has flexible support for transparency.
PNG is a superset of what GIF can do, except for the animation support which it lacks completely.
It's also less encumbered by patents, but as GIF's LZW patent has run out, that's not terribly relevant anymore.
 
Mr Killemgood said:
Don't you think, though, with Microsoft's push in other markets (US, PAL) with casual games like YITM, and Scene It, that they would also attempt to carve out a small, semi-meaningful place with VP2 and BK3 for their casual tier?
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I don't think both of these titles have a universal appeal in Japan (casual game). VP sold 12k according to Josh's site (Famitsu). Pinatas are solely an American thing. I don't think the game will help to attract a broad crowd of people to the plattform. I allready expressed my thoughts on BK.

Software performance shows us time and time again that the 360 crowd in Japan is ultra-hardcore (most games being very front-loaded) a few games (or even a plethora of games) won't change that and I don't think it's MS' aim to even try in that regard.

Their strategy with the Mii-too approach I could only see working in the US and maybe UK, where they have far more exposure for their XBox brand and a generally better perception. And even that is not a given seeing how titles with a broader appeal fared until now on 360 and the circumstance those games have seemingly found their home on Wii.
 
I honstly don't see LPB doing more then 40/60k first week in Japan.
It'll do nothing to improve hardware sales there.
 
Really nice numbers for FE and a nice mini-bump for DS but its enough. Speaking of consoles bumps- TLR sounds like it'll appeal more to Western audiences then JPN. And IU is a new rpg ip, it needs massive marketing to do anything in JPN. I'm outta the loop on it will it be bundled like seemingly every other 360 JRPG release? And looking at platformers sales- its seems like it'll flop, if it doesn't have Mario on it. Can't see LBP doing much in JPN. I mean wasn't Loco Roco advertised quite a bit, but still flopped in JPN.
 
jimbo said:
I'd like to know what games everyone else thinks could cause possible spikes from now to the end of the year.



360:
Infinite Undiscovery, 9/11/2008
Price Drop, September?
The Last Remnant, 11/20/2008
Banjo Kazooie, December?

PS3:
Price Drop, ?
LBP, 10/30/2008

Wii:
?

Then, maybe someone can plot them on a chart to give us an idea where to expect spikes from now until the end of the year.
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Segata Sanshiro said:
My gut feeling is somewhere between "very little" and "sweet fuck all".
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That's certainly what I think, and overall, I don't think it's going to be much different worldwide.


If you've been paying attention it's clear Wii is going to see a huge boost come the holidays. Animal Crossing is going to be fucking enormous! For a bit of perspective, it's going to outsell 360's entire year's SW sales with ease, and imo top several million when all said and done. I think this franchise has now transcended into 2D Mario, DQ potential, especially given Wii's dominance. The DS version wasn't the anomaly, the GC and N64 versions were.

Wii Music, I have no clue.

360 sales picking up is great to see, but they're having zero real affect on the market in Japan. All they're doing is taking sales away from PS3, which I think is good because Sony's entire strategy for the system in Japan has been the most fucking retarded thing ever, from having a PS2 level system. I'm still laughing at 2 consecutive years of weeks around Golden Week with fuck all! :lol

I wonder if Sony can make it 3? The really sad thing is they probably can!
 
ziran said:
- SKIP -
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Wii/DS - OMFG the fucking greatest thing on Earth ever!
XB360/PS3(especially) - WTF is this shit?

This is basically all I get from most of your (especially recent) posts. Do you have something fucking better to say? This is quite fucking sad.
 
AnimeTheme said:
Wii/DS - OMFG the fucking greatest thing on Earth ever!
XB360/PS3(especially) - WTF is this shit?

This is basically all I get from most of your posts. Do you have something fucking better to say? This is quite fucking sad.
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WTF are you talking about?

I've hardly mentioned DS at all, and not talked about this week's hw sales for either Nintendo platform. Please learn to (re-)read ;)

Sony fucked themselves up the ass in Japan, if you disagree you're in denial or just plain avoiding the factual evidence. I say again, 2 years on the trot with fuck all for Japan's second biggest buying season is the dumbest, most retarded sales strategy ever! Seriously, how could anyone disagree?
 
ziran said:
WTF are you talking about?

I've hardly mentioned DS at all, and not talked about this week's hw sales for either Nintendo platform. Please learn to (re-)read ;)

Sony fucked themselves up the ass in Japan, if you disagree you're in denial or just plain avoiding the factual evidence. I say again, 2 years on the trot with fuck all for Japan's second biggest buying season is the dumbest, most retarded sales strategy ever! Seriously, how could anyone disagree?
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I am not referring to any one specific post or talking about any console war things here. I don't care if Sony really fuck themselves up this gen, but your endless repetition of basically the same point with your "fuck this fuck that" emphasis (I did a post search and I was amazed by how many "fuck" you used in your recent posts) don't make your point any more convincing. It's starting to get fucking annoying.
 
AnimeTheme said:
Wii/DS - OMFG the fucking greatest thing on Earth ever!
XB360/PS3(especially) - WTF is this shit?

This is basically all I get from most of your (especially recent) posts. Do you have something fucking better to say? This is quite fucking sad.
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You're in a sales thread. His thoughts are hardly irregular. Would you rather he used soothing adjectives to make it all better?
 
AnimeTheme said:
I am not referring to any one specific post or talking about any console war things here. I don't care if Sony really fuck themselves up this gen, but your endless repetition of basically the same point with your "fuck this fuck that" emphasis (I did a post search and I was amazed by how many "fuck" you used in your recent posts) don't make your point any more convincing. It's starting to get fucking annoying.
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So your objection is my use of the word 'FUCK', which has been allowed on GAF of a long time now, or the fact I state how it is, pretty much as I see it using as much sales info as I'm aware of, imo, as all reasonable people do in sales-age threads...?

Anyway, for both counts, :lol

Get over yourself and your Sony fanboyism. I was just as harsh in sales threads for GC and Xbox back in the day.


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You know, one can love a system but see it for the fucking sales disaster it is, you know ;) (not that I loved anything in particular last gen - though I did love Saturn and N64 so I'm aware of this 'sales being poor but loving the system' phenomenon).
 
Does anyone have any details about first day sales in Japan? I know Obon was this week, so numbers are delayed...But is there anyhing that we can find out before Wednsday?
 
ziran said:
So your objection is my use of the word 'FUCK', which has been allowed on GAF of a long time now, or the fact I state how it is, pretty much as I see it using as much sales info as I'm aware of, imo, as all reasonable people do in sales-age threads...?

Anyway, for both counts, :lol

Get over yourself and your Sony fanboyism. I was just as harsh in sales threads for GC and Xbox back in the day.


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You know, one can love a system but see it for the fucking sales disaster it is, you know ;) (not that I loved anything in particular last gen - though I did love Saturn and N64 so I'm aware of this 'sales being poor but loving the system' phenomenon).
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Continue to "fuck" if you like. Yeah I know it is allowed here in GAF. After all, you do have the right to say things that way. Consider that post my objection, thought, opinion or whatever you want. I would just say it once.

Fanboyism? Now this is fucking hilarious. Save it for youself :lol
 
AnimeTheme said:
Wii/DS - OMFG the fucking greatest thing on Earth ever!
XB360/PS3(especially) - WTF is this shit?

This is basically all I get from most of your (especially recent) posts. Do you have something fucking better to say? This is quite fucking sad.
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You know, this kind of personal "discussion" is better left to PMs. No need to fuck up the thread :lol .
 
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