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Lobster · Nov 9, 2007

manzo said:
箱○始まったな! :lol :lol

Now on to 2ch to see the GK meltdowns!

edit: From 2ch: :lol

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:lol The 360s face did it for me.:lol

Jokeropia · Nov 9, 2007

Streams have crossed! :lol

a Master Ninja · Nov 9, 2007

Will Lost Odyssey make the streams cross again?

Kurosaki Ichigo · Nov 9, 2007

I got hardware right in both heh...lets see next week...

Oh, I have some interesting info. Cue in DENGEKI NUMBERS...

Super Mario Galaxy- 257.000 (45% sell through - which translates into around 570.000 units shipped)
Ace Combat 6 - 73.000 (75% sell through - 97.000 shipped)

And now cue in FAMITSU FIRST DAY NUMBERS...

NDS Mario Party DS - 90.000 (<20% sell through, 500k shipment)
PSP Akumajou Dracula X Chronicles - 8.000 (20k shipment)
PS2 NBA Live 08 - 4.000
NDS Yosumin DS - 2.000 (10% sell through, 20k shipment)
PSP NBA Live 08 - <1.000
360 NBA Live 08 - even worse, can't be counted

Magicpaint · Nov 9, 2007

Ouch @ Mario Party DS.

Castlevania didn't do too bad.

Kurosaki Ichigo · Nov 9, 2007

Magicpaint said:
Ouch @ Mario Party DS.

Castlevania didn't do too bad.

At this point, MPDS is below MP8 (100k first day) but I wonder if MPDS will expand as much as MP8 in the weekend (to 282k did MP8). Still quite a big shipment though...

Translating some more from sinobi, Castlevania start is similar to Etrian Oddysey, some shops may run out of stock since the shipment is very little. I think its below DS Castlevania starts though...

Oh, from the new Famitsu chart (top30 last week)...

· Both Ar Tonelico 2 and FFTA2 had 51-75% sell through.

· Winning Eleven DS, Imabikisou, God of War 2, Ghost Squad, Code Geass, Zack and Wiki and Eye of Judgement also ALL on 0-50% sell through. Bomb-a-plenty week!

sprsk · Nov 9, 2007

manzo said:
箱○始まったな！ :lol :lol

Now on to 2ch to see the GK meltdowns!

edit: From 2ch: :lol

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│　　　 　 　 　（ ﾟ∀ﾟ） ＜Ooh! Wii sales are falling！
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Lobster · Nov 9, 2007

Magicpaint said:
Ouch @ Mario Party DS.

Castlevania didn't do too bad.

You can't truly say ouch until we know how Mario Party Advance did first day or first week. 90k first day is pretty good IMO. Far from an "ouch"

Jokeropia · Nov 9, 2007

Mario Party Advance did 73,115 first week and 241,721 LTD.

Lobster · Nov 9, 2007

Jokeropia said:
Mario Party Advance did 73,115 first week and 241,721 LTD.

Ouch turned into Wow. MPDS outdid MPA first week in its first day.

Kurosaki Ichigo · Nov 9, 2007

Lobster said:
Ouch turned into Wow. MPDS outdid MPA first week in its first day.

:lol the awesome spinning continues

Frillen · Nov 9, 2007

Jokeropia said:
Mario Party Advance did 73,115 first week and 241,721 LTD.

Hmm, so Mario Party DS has a decent chance of outselling MPA's LTD in its first week? That's a pretty good start for MPDS, and definitelt not an ouch.

Innotech · Nov 9, 2007

Mario party DS should flop. the whole point of MArio PArty is to play with friends, and the DS isnt really conducive to that.

Lobster · Nov 9, 2007

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
:lol the awesome spinning continues

You said yourself it did 10k below MP8 Wii...Thats pretty good itself..no need to spin.

Innotech said:
Mario party DS should flop. the whole point of MArio PArty is to play with friends, and the DS isnt really conducive to that.

??What??

Innotech · Nov 9, 2007

Lobster said:
You said yourself it did 10k below MP8 Wii...Thats pretty good itself..no need to spin.

??What??

Mario Party is much better experience on the Wii or any nintendo home console. Its not really suitable for DS.

SouthernDragon · Nov 9, 2007

The 2chan post is awesome.

plagiarize · Nov 9, 2007

Lobster said:
??What??

he just probably wanted to say 'conducive'.

Frillen · Nov 9, 2007

Innotech said:
Mario Party is much better experience on the Wii or any nintendo home console. Its not really suitable for DS.

Why? This version even has online, doesn't it?

Innotech · Nov 9, 2007

Frillen said:
Why? This version even has online, doesn't it?

Its not even remotely the same as having 3 actual friends over.

Kurosaki Ichigo · Nov 9, 2007

Lobster said:
You said yourself it did 10k below MP8 Wii...Thats pretty good itself..no need to spin.

It'd be pretty good compared to MP8 and MP GBA if they had shipped quite less than 500k. Its a fucking big risk to ship such quantity even if MP has legs and good weekends. Just imagine this one doesn't have them...uh oh indeed. We could be looking at a 300k first week...or not, it'd be pretty bad if it doesn't, thus why such a low sell through first day is not good. Again, judging on what you think it'd do later mustn't affect your view on the data right now.

AlternativeUlster · Nov 9, 2007

Frillen said:
Why? This version even has online, doesn't it?

And 4 people can play together with a single cart. Yeah, what the hell dude?

Innotech · Nov 9, 2007

AlternativeUlster said:
And 4 people can play together with a single cart. Yeah, what the hell dude?

still not the same.

AlternativeUlster · Nov 9, 2007

Innotech said:
still not the same.

But it is better.

Lobster · Nov 9, 2007

Innotech said:
still not the same.

I had more fun with Mario Kart DS then I did with MK

D or 64.

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
It'd be pretty good compared to MP8 and MP GBA if they had shipped quite less than 500k. Its a fucking big risk to ship such quantity even if MP has legs and good weekends. Just imagine this one doesn't have them...uh oh indeed. We could be looking at a 300k first week...or not, it'd be pretty bad if it doesn't, thus why such a low sell through first day is not good. Again, judging on what you think it'd do later mustn't affect your view on the data right now.

I think the shipment was quite right. A 60% sell through leaves stock for the second week and 3rd week.

Magicpaint · Nov 9, 2007

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Translating some more from sinobi, Castlevania start is similar to Etrian Oddysey, some shops may run out of stock since the shipment is very little. I think its below DS Castlevania starts though...

Still good news then, I want more castlevania in that style, so hopefully Konami is happy with this performance.

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
It'd be pretty good compared to MP8 and MP GBA if they had shipped quite less than 500k. Its a fucking big risk to ship such quantity even if MP has legs and good weekends. Just imagine this one doesn't have them...uh oh indeed. We could be looking at a 300k first week...or not, it'd be pretty bad if it doesn't, thus why such a low sell through first day is not good. Again, judging on what you think it'd do later mustn't affect your view on the data right now.

Yeah, the problem is that the shipment obviosuly shows that there was high hopes for MPDS, yet the sell through is horrible. Maybe it'll pick up in the weekend, but ouch for now.

Mr Killemgood · Nov 9, 2007

We're considering 90k o/d a bad start for a ultra-casual DS game? WTF?

Should wind up with 300,000 fairly easily. Could hit more. Either way, it'll sell 1m+ by the EOY. I'll bet my El Camino on it.

Jokeropia · Nov 9, 2007

First day sell-through of ~20% for a casual game is hardly horrible, especially when the holidays are coming up.

Lobster · Nov 9, 2007

Jokeropia said:
First day sell-through of ~20% for a casual game is hardly horrible, especially when the holidays are coming up.

Thats what I thought to. The extra shipment is most likely for the holiday period.

Kurosaki Ichigo · Nov 9, 2007

Lobster said:
I think the shipment was quite right. A 60% sell through leaves stock for the second week and 3rd week.

It'd be pretty fucking great if it had a 60% sell through for the week, but thats the best case scenario, which is pretty likely but its not locked. What if it expands to just 150k? Thats why you can't just say that it is doing awesome, right now its very so-so and its performance will be very affected by how much its pulls in the weekend.

See ASH:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000BQYJGY/
50% pricedrop already (and this one had better sell through first day, 30% or so iirc)

Btw, everyone seemed to ignore this one but Galaxy had a 22% sell through first day, and 45% sell through first week. Thats why you can't say Galaxy has done good because it'll pull lots of sales for the next weeks, Christmas and 2008.

Mr Killemgood said:
We're considering 90k o/d a bad start for a ultra-casual DS game? WTF?

Should wind up with 300,000 fairly easily. Could hit more. Either way, it'll sell 1m+ by the EOY. I'll bet my El Camino on it.

Thats pretty much what I said to Lobster, you are factoring what you THINK it'll do to say it'll do well.

What you know is that it has sold 90k out of a 500k shipment first day, and not, thats not good. Nintendo took a big risk with it.

Haunted · Nov 9, 2007

manzo said:
箱○始まったな！ :lol :lol

Now on to 2ch to see the GK meltdowns!

edit: From 2ch: :lol

｜　　　　　　　　　　　　　
｜ 　　　 　 　 　 　 　 　┌┐
│ 　　　 　 　 　 　 　 　(ﾟω&#65439
│ 　　 　　 　 　 　 　 　｜｜　
│ 　　　 　 　 　 　 　 　｜｜　
│　　　　　　　　┌┐　.　 ｜｜
│　　　 　 　 　（ ﾟ∀ﾟ） ＜Ooh! Wii sales are falling！
│　　 　　 　 　 ｜｜　 ｜｜　I'm going to win if things go like this！
│　　　 ┌┐　　 ｜｜　 ｜｜
│　　　(・ω&#12539　｜｜　 ｜｜
└───┴┴──┴┴───┴┴──
　　　360　　 PS3　　Wii

｜ 　 　 　 　 　 　 　｜｜
｜ 　 　　 　　　 　 　｜｜
│ 　 　 　 　 　　　 　｜｜
│ 　 　　 　　 　 　 　｜｜　
│ 　┌┐　 　　 　　 　｜｜　
│　(・ω&#12539 ┌┐ 　　 ｜｜
│　｜｜ 　（дﾟ ）.　 ｜｜
│　｜｜　 ｜｜　　 ｜｜　
│　｜｜　 ｜｜　　 ｜｜
│　｜｜　 ｜｜　　 ｜｜
└─┴┴──┴┴───┴┴──
　　　360　　 PS3　　Wii

:lol

Jokeropia · Nov 9, 2007

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
What you know is that it has sold 90k out of a 500k shipment first day, and not, thats not good. Nintendo took a big risk with it.

If you ignore all context, sure. This close to the holidays it seems like a better idea to have good supplies to start with rather than risking shortages when things get really heated. (Cartridge shortages and delayed shipments have even affected the DS before.)

cvxfreak · Nov 9, 2007

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
It'd be pretty good compared to MP8 and MP GBA if they had shipped quite less than 500k. Its a fucking big risk to ship such quantity even if MP has legs and good weekends. Just imagine this one doesn't have them...uh oh indeed. We could be looking at a 300k first week...or not, it'd be pretty bad if it doesn't, thus why such a low sell through first day is not good. Again, judging on what you think it'd do later mustn't affect your view on the data right now.

It's the holidays, and Mario Party always sells huge amounts during the holidays. A lower shipment would have resulted in a repeat of Animal Crossing and Brain Age 2 back in 2005.

Segata Sanshiro · Nov 9, 2007

AlternativeUlster said:
And 4 people can play together with a single cart. Yeah, what the hell dude?

Yeah but what are the odds of any four people in Japan having DSs?

Haunted · Nov 9, 2007

Innotech said:
still not the same.

I'm with you. Mario Party DS doesn't tickle my fancy at all. And I'm one of the biggest fans of the franchise on GAF.

Kurosaki Ichigo · Nov 9, 2007

Jokeropia said:
If you ignore all context, sure. This close to the holidays it seems like a better idea to have good supplies to start with rather than risking shortages when things get really heated. (Cartridge shortages and delayed shipments have even affected the DS before.)

Its freaking 9th November not middle December, come on...

Who knows, maybe shops ordered that many (remembers Galaxy btw) but demand is lower or slower and thus its sell through its so low right now.

cvxfreak said:
It's the holidays, and Mario Party always sells huge amounts during the holidays. A lower shipment would have resulted in a repeat of Animal Crossing and Brain Age 2 back in 2005

Brain Age 2 was released on 29th December...Animal Crossing on 23th November, and 2005 December was right on DS explosion.

Come on, I can't believe Nintendo wouldn't be able to restock Mario Party DS (if needed) on time.

Magicpaint · Nov 9, 2007

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Come on, I can't believe Nintendo wouldn't be able to restock Mario Party DS (if needed) on time.

Yeah, really. What big titles does Nintendo even have lined-up for the proper holiday period?

Pureauthor · Nov 9, 2007

Segata Sanshiro said:
Yeah but what are the odds of any four people in Japan having DSs?

DS has approx. 20 million LTD.

Japan has approx. 120 million people...

Probability of a person having a DS = 1/6

Hang on...

Binompdf [120000000, 1/6, 4] =

Error (Domain)
1: Quit
2: Go to

Jokeropia · Nov 9, 2007

Magicpaint said:
Yeah, really. What big titles does Nintendo even have lined-up for the proper holiday period?

Nintendo produce all DS cartridges - not only first party games, don't they? There are several big third party games released this holiday.

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Come on, I can't believe Nintendo wouldn't be able to restock Mario Party DS (if needed) on time.

We couldn't believe it when there were multiple cartridge shortages (and even plastic shortages at one point) before either.

Lobster · Nov 9, 2007

Magicpaint said:
Yeah, really. What big titles does Nintendo even have lined-up for the proper holiday period?

For the Wii Nintendo of course have Wii Fit aswell as Galaxy. 3rd parties will be releasing Umbrella Chronicles and NiGHTS.

For DS..man theres too much to list.

Magicpaint · Nov 9, 2007

Jokeropia said:
Nintendo produce all DS cartridges - not only first party games, don't they? There are several big third party games released this holiday.

Very few of them are guaranteed to big multi-million sellers though. I'd be surprised if we had the same issue in as in late 2005 and beyond when titles like Animal Crossing, Brain-Age 2 and Mario kart DS were all pulling super-huge numbers, but you never know, I guess.

Segata Sanshiro · Nov 9, 2007

Pureauthor said:
DS has approx. 20 million LTD.

Japan has approx. 120 million people...

Probability of a person having a DS = 1/6

Hang on...

Binompdf [120000000, 1/6, 4] =

Error (Domain)
1: Quit
2: Go to

Yeah, see? I think the results are pretty telling. Quit, go to. Clearly the machine meant to say, "Quit this folly, go to the pub and have long island iced teas until you pass out!"

Jokeropia · Nov 9, 2007

My point is that even if we won't risk similar problems as before, MPDS shouldn't have too much trouble selling through it's shipments during the holidays.

Stumpokapow · Nov 9, 2007

Pureauthor said:
DS has approx. 20 million LTD. Japan has approx. 120 million people... Probability of a person having a DS = 1/6

There's a 52% chance that if you randomly choose four people, one will have a DS. (1 - (5/6*5/6*5/6*5/6)) There's a 0.07% chance that if you randomly choose four people, all four will have a DS. (1/6*1/6*1/6*1/6)

Segata Sanshiro · Nov 9, 2007

0.07%!!!

See, Mario Party DS was clearly a mistake. Now let's all go to the pub like the calculator said!

Graphics Horse · Nov 9, 2007

Stumpokapow said:
There's a 52% chance that if you randomly choose four people, one will have a DS. (1 - (5/6*5/6*5/6*5/6)) There's a 0.07% chance that if you randomly choose four people, all four will have a DS. (1/6*1/6*1/6*1/6)

Now factor in the probability that these random strangers actually want to play with you.

jmdajr · Nov 9, 2007

Nintendo DS - 78,599
PSP - 59,714
Wii - 37,617
Xbox 360 - 17,673
PlayStation 3 - 17,434
PlayStation 2 - 10,209
Game Boy Advance SP - 206
GameCube 155
Game Boy Micro - 113

WOW

fanduck · Nov 9, 2007

jmdajr said:
Nintendo DS - 78,599
PSP - 59,714
Wii - 37,617
Xbox 360 - 17,673
PlayStation 3 - 17,434
PlayStation 2 - 10,209
Game Boy Advance SP - 206
GameCube 155
Game Boy Micro - 113

WOW

I never thought I'd see the day...

Metalmurphy · Nov 9, 2007

Wow at the 360 outselling the PS3 oO

Was this because of AC6? I had no idea AC was that big in Japan.

DefectiveReject · Nov 9, 2007

any word on the continued sales of Galaxy?

And it seems like pretty low sales ACROSS all games at the moment. Is Japan broke or something??

Kurosaki Ichigo · Nov 9, 2007

Jokeropia said:
My point is that even if we won't risk similar problems as before, MPDS shouldn't have too much trouble selling through it's shipments during the holidays.

I'm sure Magicpaint and me aren't saying otherwise. We are commenting on its first day numbers, the only data we have for it, and the first day numbers aren't good with such a low sell through. Even if it sells out in the following weeks, which we expect that it'll do but its not locked that it'll happen.

Btw, I think Nintendo doesn't have any DS game scheduled for December. Card Hero is supposed to come out in December but no date yet.

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