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[Link316]

Based on some recent announcements, I get the feeling not many companies have moved over assets to the Wii. Seems more and more announcements are PS3/360 which doesn't bode well at changing the Wii 3rd party landscape. I think the Wii will spend the rest of its life covered in ports and low quality software overall with the occasional token franchise spin-off hitting the system. The situation is fairly sad, to be honest.

if a 3rd party wants next gen graphics PS3 or 360 is their only choice, if they wanna stick with last gen they're better off putting their games on the PS2 with its cheaper development and higher sales, so there's just not much incentive for 3rd parties to shift to the Wii

 

[Leezard]

if a 3rd party wants next gen graphics PC is their only choice

Fixed.

 

[papelnabangka]

Based on some recent announcements, I get the feeling not many companies have moved over assets to the Wii. Seems more and more announcements are PS3/360 which doesn't bode well at changing the Wii 3rd party landscape. I think the Wii will spend the rest of its life covered in ports and low quality software overall with the occasional token franchise spin-off hitting the system. The situation is fairly sad, to be honest.

From a business perspective, this doesn't really affect the Wii very much, if at all. It's the third parties that have always more to lose with a dominant Nintendo console whether they like it or not.

It's sad from a gamer's perspective, of course but I doubt Nintendo fans are crying over spilt milk since they're probably used to it.

 

[Lobster]

Fixed.

Thats stupid.

 

[Satter]

fixed.

We already have a thread about someone being shocked about Ps3s media capabilities..Ken told him about it..he just didn't listen..now Kens fired.

Yeah, the consumers did it, because they they should've accepted a $600 videogame console with a disk drive that they didn't want.

Damn them. DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!!

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

if they wanna stick with last gen they're better off putting their games on the PS2 with its cheaper development and higher sales, so there's just not much incentive for 3rd parties to shift to the Wii

To repeat what I said above: Monster Hunter is the biggest new PS2 franchise of the last 4 years. If anyone wants to try and move something new, the early years on new systems really seems to be the most conducive time.

Or maybe that's just when developers/publishers try the most, before falling into a set pattern of more-of-the-same?

 

[Leezard]

Thats stupid.

How? If all they care about are graphics they should develop for the pc. That, and we are in the middle of a generation.

 

[apujanata]

To repeat what I said above: Monster Hunter is the biggest new PS2 franchise of the last 4 years. If anyone wants to try and move something new, the early years on new systems really seems to be the most conducive time.

Or maybe that's just when developers/publishers try the most, before falling into a set pattern of more-of-the-same?

I predict that all of your post (and anyone else who does not agree with Link316's view) will fall on deaf ears (not change Link316's attitude). He is an anti-nintendo fanboy, through and through.

Unless you have too much free time, I suggest you to spend your time doing something else, something more usefull (and less pointless).

Edit : about your Monster Hunter post, I agree. Maybe we can add Yakuza (Ryu Ga Gotoku) to it ? I believe it is a new PS2 franchise also (IIRC).

 

[ZeoVGM]

Thats stupid.

fixed.

We already have a thread about someone being shocked about Ps3s media capabilities..Ken told him about it..he just didn't listen..now Kens fired.

lol irony sorta??

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Edit : about your Monster Hunter post, I agree. Maybe we can add Yakuza (Ryu Ga Gotoku) to it ? I believe it is a new PS2 franchise also (IIRC).

Yeah, that might actually be a better one, since Yakuza didn't come out until 2005, and it seems the three major releases outsell the three major Monster Hunter PS2 releases.

Yakuza: 345K
Yakuza the Best: 450K
Yakuza 2: 573K

 

[donny2112]

I predict that all of your post (and anyone else who does not agree with Link316's view) will fall on deaf ears

Hey, it's cool. If developers/publishers don't want to try to make games for Nintendo systems' audiences, that's fine with me. Separating the wheat from the chaff, etc. Getting rid of a few developers/publishers who won't move out of the past probably isn't a bad thing.

 

[Moor-Angol]

Famitsu top10 17-23/12/2007

01. DS Final Fantasy IV
02. DS Mario Party DS
03. Wii Wii Fit
04. Wii Super Mario Galaxy
05. Wii Wii Sports
06. DS Dragon Quest IV
07. Wii Wii Play
08. Wii Mario & Sonic at Olympic Games
09. DS Doraemon Baseball (new)
10. PS2 Naruto Shippuuden Narutimate Accel 2

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1212768_1124.html

 

[Pureauthor]

Kinda useless without exact numbers, but thanks.

Also, I heard FFIV was 325K to 385K week 1.

 

[Kosma]

Hey, it's cool. If developers/publishers don't want to try to make games for Nintendo systems' audiences, that's fine with me. Separating the wheat from the chaff, etc. Getting rid of a few developers/publishers who won't move out of the past probably isn't a bad thing.

If you think any dev will suffer from not supporting Nintendo then you are mistaken. 3rd party money is on the HD platforms.

 

[polluar]

Kinda useless without exact numbers, but thanks.

Also, I heard FFIV was 325K to 385K week 1.

FF4 DS : about 309k

Mario Party DS : about 308k (total about 1.07m)

Wii Fit : about 210k (total about 737k)

Super Mario Galaxy : about 109k (total about 680k)

Wii Sports : about 109k (total about 2.37m)

DQ4 : about 108k (total about 963k)

Wii Play : about 105k

Mario & Sonic at Beijing Olympics : about 100k (total about 307k)

Dora Base : about 96k (sell through % is about 90%)

Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator 2 : about 94k

Card Hero DS (DS) : about 49k

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Matsuri: Kakera Asobi (PS2) : about 42k

Powerful Pro Baseball 14 Final Edition (PS2) : about 37k

Time Crisis 4 (PS3) : about 20k

Hajime no Ippo (PSP) : about 16k

Patapon (PSP) : about 16k

Survival Kids (DS) : about 14k

Powerful Baseball Wii Final Edition (Wii) : about 11k

Medal of Honour: Airborne (PS3) : about 7.9k

Myself;Yourself (PS2) : about 7.7k

FIFA 2008 (PS3) : about 4.9k

The Legend of Heroes: Sora no Kiseki Material Collection (PSP) : abuot 3.6k

The Legend of Heroes: Sora no Kiseki Complete Edition (PSP) : about 3.1k

FIFA 2008 (Wii) : about 2.5k

FIFA 2008 (360) : about 2.4k

Console :

Wii : about 264k

DSL : about 319k

PS3 : about 51k

PS2 : about 24k

PSP : about 162k

360 : about 8.1k

 

[Ydahs]

If you think any dev will suffer from not supporting Nintendo then you are mistaken. 3rd party money is on the HD platforms.

I don't think small devs can live off the PS3 and 360, since to gain a profit you need to sell a lot of copies, much more than the Wii.
The small devs will suffer if they rely only on HD platforms, though the established devs with a big enough reputation will do fine.

 

[Pureauthor]

FF4 DS : about 309k

FFIII day one sales = FFIV week one sales :lol

 

[Stumpokapow]

Mario Party DS joins Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2 and Monster Hunter Freedom 2 as the only 2007 release million sellers in Japan. (Astute sales agers would be right to notice that several 2006 releases have sold more than a million copies through 2007, though!)

Also, Card Hero tracking on the upper end of the b-tier DS games. Expect lifetime of 130-180k.

FFIII day one sales = FFIV week one sales :lol

Well, it goes both ways. From one POV, it's a 75% sellthrough which isn't really spectacular. On the other hand, the initial shipment is so much smaller than SE obviously expected lower first week sales.

 

[Ydahs]

Wii Play : about 105k (total about 307k)

That ain't right.

Great sales for Wiifit and SMG!

 

[Yamauchi]

So, the Wii just sold 264k in one week.

 

[sazzy]

Wii Fit : about 210k (total about 737k)

Super Mario Galaxy : about 109k (total about 680k)

Wii Sports : about 109k (total about 2.37m)

Wii Play : about 105k (total about 307k)


Console :

Wii : about 264k

DSL : about 319k

WOW!

*chokes*

 

[Stumpokapow]

So, the Wii just sold 264k in one week.

I think this is the first week where the 5:1 WiiS3 ratio has popped up since the general sales collapse late summer, as well.

 

[Durante]

I don't think small devs can live off the PS3 and 360, since to gain a profit you need to sell a lot of copies, much more than the Wii.

This (or variations thereof) is said 3 times a day at GAF. It's simply not true. Yes, if your game has a higher budget you need to sell more copies. But being on PS360 does not automatically mean that you need a higher budget. Easy example: Disgaea 3.

In fact, on a more powerful platform you can make the same game with less effort (budget), or a nicer looking game with the same budget.

 

[Blablurn]

shocking numbers...

 

[test_account]

Amazing Wii hardware and software sales! DS is amazing too, but that have always been high PS3 is stable it seems.

Where are the GT5P numbers btw?

 

[DanielJohnson]

FF4 DS : about 309k

Wii Play : about 105k (total about 307k)

Console :

Wii : about 264k

DSL : about 319k

PS3 : about 51k

PS2 : about 24k

PSP : about 162k

360 : about 8.1k

Fun mistake...

The hardware looks good but is tracking below last year for most of the consoles right?

 

[womfalcs3]

So FIFA 2008 bombed miserably. I thought it compared well if not superior to PES this year.


Wii numbers are insane.

 

[AniHawk]

...Super Mario Galaxy could feasibly hit 1m if it keeps going at its current rate. There's still two weeks left of insane sales, aren't there? I remember the first week of the new year being a big sales week in Japan.

 

[slaughterking]

Super Mario Galaxy : about 109k (total about 680k)

party_hard.gif

 

[Durante]

PS3 is stable it seems.

I'd say being "stable" in terms of absolute sales for that week does not bode well.

 

[Weisheit]

I'd say being "stable" in terms of absolute sales for that week does not bode well.

Pretty much. Those sales are in fact pretty shitty.

 

[test_account]

I'd say being "stable" in terms of absolute sales for that week does not bode well.

True, but it doesnt change the fact that its been around 50k for some weeks now.

Pretty much. Those sales are in fact pretty shitty.

What numbers did you expect?

 

[Jacobi]

Poor Patapon

...Super Mario Galaxy could feasibly hit 1m if it keeps going at its current rate. There's still two weeks left of insane sales, aren't there? I remember the first week of the new year being a big sales week in Japan.

You mean it could outsell Sunshine?

 

[Weisheit]

True, but it doesnt change the fact that its been around 50k for some weeks now.




What numbers did you expect?

Well sales are supposed to go up during the big sales weeks correct?

 

[gkryhewy]

If you think any dev will suffer from not supporting Nintendo then you are mistaken. 3rd party money is on the HD platforms.

Well, one of them anyway, and in one or two territories depending on the genre. I think 3rd parties would "suffer" (relative to maximum income potential) by not supporting Wii, simply because of the *massive* userbase being ignored. It does take some effort to nail down the types of games the Wii audience wants, but the potential for sales are huge. Activision has already "suffered" (again, relatively) in the US through not producing enough Wii copies of GH3, which will go on to outsell the 360 version LTD.

 

[AniHawk]

Poor Patapon


You mean it could outsell Sunshine?

...Well, it's going to with another week. It just depends by how much.

 

[BishopLamont]

FIFA 2008 (Wii) : about 2.5k

FIFA 2008 (360) : about 2.4k

A victory for Wii third party at last!

Well, one of them anyway, and in one or two territories depending on the genre. I think 3rd parties would "suffer" (relative to maximum income potential) by not supporting Wii, simply because of the *massive* userbase being ignored. It does take some effort to nail down the types of games the Wii audience wants, but the potential for sales are huge. Activision has already "suffered" (again, relatively) in the US through not producing enough Wii copies of GH3, which will go on to outsell the 360 version LTD.

I wouldn't go that far just yet, the 360 is still ahead in LTD by a hefty margin.

Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator 2

Whats this on??

Also what of Chocobo?

Naruto is on the PS2. Chocobo most likely just disappeared from the charts. Really disappointing PS3 numbers, everything went up even 360 and PS2, while PS3 by the look of things will actually go down.

 

[Lobster]

Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator 2

Whats this on??

edit:nevermind.

Also what of Chocobo?

 

[norinrad21]

From a business perspective, this doesn't really affect the Wii very much, if at all. It's the third parties that have always more to lose with a dominant Nintendo console whether they like it or not.

It's sad from a gamer's perspective, of course but I doubt Nintendo fans are crying over spilt milk since they're probably used to it.

This is correct, from the N64 to the GC, you just get used to things and accept them for the way they are and we've been at the receiving end for 10 years. Its like the girl next door :lol

As long as i get my first party fix from Nintendo with the occasional high quality 3rd party game here and there, i don't really care and neither does Nintendo.

 

[RBH]

I'm curious to see how GT5 performed in its second week.

 

[test_account]

Well sales are supposed to go up during the big sales weeks correct?

Usually yes, but what numbers did you expect? There were no major game releases and PS3 doesnt have any casual or killer app games yet. But ye, sales usually goes up before x-mas, but without any must have or new big games and a higher price its a less chance for a huge boost like Wii and DS had.

Media Create tracked much higher on PS3 not long ago (think it was like 25-30k higher than Famitsu) so who knows whos closest to the correct numbers.

 

[gkryhewy]

I wouldn't go that far just yet, the 360 is still ahead in LTD by a hefty margin.

360 version's sales were much more front-loaded, though (the trend toward legs for Wii games is very pronounced now), and I believe the Wii version outsold it in November NPDs. I expect the gap for December to widen considerably. I could be wrong, sure.

 

[BishopLamont]

360 version's sales were much more front-loaded, though (the trend toward legs for Wii games is very pronounced now), and I believe the Wii version outsold it in November NPDs. I expect the gap for December to widen considerably. I could be wrong, sure.

Now I think about it, the Wii version LTD will probably surpass the 360's. I was thinking you meant it in the short term, but yeah in the long run I see the Wii version selling more.

Usually yes, but what numbers did you expect? There were no major game releases and PS3 doesnt have any casual or killer app games yet. But ye, sales usually goes up before x-mas, but without any must have or new big games and a higher price its a less chance for a huge boost like Wii and DS had.

Media Create tracked much higher on PS3 not long ago (think it was like 25-30k higher than Famitsu) so who knows whos closest to the correct numbers.

Last week's Famitsu > MC was about 10k IIRC. So best case scenario the PS3 remains stable, which is still disappointing. Major releases and killer apps don't mean much during the holiday season, everything gets a boost regardless of software.

Looks like Galaxy is on its way to outsell sunshine

That will happen now.

 

[norinrad21]

Looks like Galaxy is on its way to outsell sunshine

 

[Weisheit]

Usually yes, but what numbers did you expect? There were no major game releases and PS3 doesnt have any casual or killer app games yet.

Personally I didn't expect it to do anything special, but that doesn't negate the fact that we're in the middle of the biggest shopping season in Japan. At some point these consoles sell because of the games and features they already have rather than whats coming. When a console can't get a big bump for the holidays it's got big problems in my book, just look at the PSP, no big releases (I think) and it did over 150k.

 

[AnimeTheme]

At this point, it's clear that Wii and NDS are obvious winners in mass market appeal, as they get the biggest boost during the holidays. On the contrary, the dying PS2, the dead XB360, and especially the most expensive PS3 get the least boost during the holidays.

PSP is something in between.

 

[Paracelsus]

no big releases .

Star Ocean: First Departure release is imminent. That remake I wait more than I wait for the FFIV one.

 

[Minsc]

Wow, didn't expect the PS3 to stand still while the Wii goes up 100K in sales, staying stable now means the inevitable decrease after the holidays. The Wii will fall more, as it stands higher to fall from, but I don't think the PS3 will be stable at 50K in late January/February.

PSP selling very well for another week as well. Guess we'll still have to wait a few more months before Nintendo starts releasing new colors, with the Wii's recent spike in sales.

The amount of software titles which have seen decent increases this week is also pretty surprising, didn't expect Galaxy and DQ4 over 100K each.

Wii Fit looks to hit 1M easily now, and Mario Party DS already passed it, probably guaranteeing us next year's sequel.

 

[BishopLamont]

At this point, it's clear that Wii and NDS are obvious winners in mass market appeal, as they get the biggest boost during the holidays. On the contrary, the dying PS2, the dead XB360, and especially the most expensive PS3 get the least boost during the holidays.

PSP is something in between.

PSP = good if not spectacular

or something like that.

 

[Lobster]

Power Pro bombed on both Ps2 and Wii :\ Hard too.