Scalemail Ted
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I had a Sega CD unit.PantherLotus said:
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PantherLotus
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Scalemail Ted said:
awesome! How was that one game with the girl from Diff'rent strokes?
Scalemail Ted
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PantherLotus said:
I liked the duck hunt game better... lethal enforcers.
Version 3.0
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PantherLotus said:
Sony's addition of the analog stick was very late, it had nothing to do with their win. Same for rumble. Sony's win was solely based on it's successful wooing of the development/publishing community, the biggest point being their dissatisfaction with Nintendo in general and the cost of cartridges specifically.
Nintendo's failure to use CDs wasn't a failure to innovate (is cheap storage innovative?), they were looking into it but decided against it for several reasons. Their arrogance is the only real tie to Sony's current situation--and the key to your theory, if you ask me. Especially dealing with price. Nintendo thought publishers and consumers wouldn't mind the high cart prices, and they were wrong. Sony now thinks double last gen's launch price would go over well, but they're wrong.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Compelling points, leon.
tanasten
glad to heard people isn't stupid anymore
These theories made me laugh :lol
C'mon, there isn't a theory, less when the theory is broken. N64 was 3D gen, or was supposed to be the true 3D first 3D machine that went wrong by some clear motives...
The system that sells better is the one that have the most appealing games. Nothing more.
C'mon, there isn't a theory, less when the theory is broken. N64 was 3D gen, or was supposed to be the true 3D first 3D machine that went wrong by some clear motives...
The system that sells better is the one that have the most appealing games. Nothing more.
DemonSwordsman
Banned
CDs did innovate, it had huge storage space, and FMVs on it actually looked good. if you've played no mercy, and then played smackdown on ps1 you tell the difference in the wrestler's enterances.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
tanasten said:
Yes, but WHY does the system that sells better have the most appealing games?
PantherLotus said:Yes, but WHY does the system that sells better have the most appealing games?
In the case of the PSX it was Sony's developer relations that are responsible for the PlayStation having the most games. The strategy at the time was to get as many games as possible out and hope that some of them where great. They where, PS1 got tons of great games while N64 got 1 or 2 a year. Same happened for most of the PS2's life. It's this lack of content that (at least to me) is what proves that the PS3 is not just more of the PS2.
Arrogance is the common factor in the floundering of the N64 and the PS3, not a lack of innovation.
I'm not sure it's just that...alske said:
Who else would guess that nintendo would price their console at $250 when everything points to $400?
If nintendo showed a me-too $400 console (without Wiimote), im sure that ps3 strategy would pay-off.
And if nintendo showed a WiiHD $400 im not so sure...
Eteric Rice
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Mudhoney said:All signs point to...
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Is that man growling?
Segata Sanshiro
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Eteric Rice said:
No, that's his smile.
felipeko said:
What I'm trying to say is that had Sony gone out of their way to court developers, and worked on keeping exclusives like GTA, Dragon Quest, and Assassin's Creed that the PS3 would then truly fit PantherLotus' schema of "next next-gen".
I'm not saying anything about wether or not that would have been an effective strategy. Merely that the PS3 is different from PS2 just like N64 was different from SNES. The potential pattern of failure has nothing to do with offering 'more' and everything to do with companies forgetting what (and who) put them on top to begin with.
Eteric Rice said:
Too many balls in the air?
I know they like to claim the DS is a <b>gaming</b> machine, but the Wii is already edging into the gaming+ space. No reason for the DS not to.
However, the DS, right now, is doing fine. It's doing better than fine. It's beating everything else out on the market hands down, and selling faster than they can hope to match with current production capacity. With over 35 million units sold, they can afford to let 3rd parties carry the DS for a while, maybe for the majority of this year.
On the other hand, the Wii is just out of the gate, and has stiff competiton in the PS3 and 360. Nintendo has the chance to take this hold generation in all 3 territories, but if they're going to do it, they have to blow the competition out of the water. At this point, the DS is just a distraction from their Wii business. Wii has to be the focus, at least until around the end of the year, when both platforms are doing well, and they can split their resources more evenly.
Imagine Nintendo dominating with both Wii & DS. Cause I can assure you Nintendo is imagining it.
Smiles and Cries
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Jonnyram said:I imagine English is number one
no it would be spanish, people don't learn to speak real english here at all
Cheesemeister
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AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
cvxfreak said:
Spanish, French, Italian - I think.
Cheesemeister
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Interesting numbers here: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d04/tables/dt04_057.asp
According to Namco Bandai, the average cost to make a game on PS3 was approximately 8.6 million dollars, meaning 500k copies of a particular game would have to be sold to even make a profit. I'm curious as to what games out there have sold enough in Japan to do so. Anybody have LTD data on Resistance and Gundam Crossfire?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
DeaconKnowledge said:
more like they copied Immersion, amirite?
Segata Sanshiro
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TopDreg said:
I really don't know what to tell you. It's not good. I think Gundam Musou will move into the #1 PS3 sales spot in its 2nd week, even if it only sells another 20k next week.
grandjedi6
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cvxfreak said:
1.)Spanish
2.)French
3.)German
4.)Italian
5.)American Sign Language
6.)Japanese
7.)Chinese
8.)Latin
9.)Russian
10.)Ancient Greek
...ect.
http://www.adfl.org/resources/enrollments.pdf
There is a huge difference between Spanish and French and between French and German
Segata Sanshiro said:
I really don't know what to tell you. It's not good. I think Gundam Musou will move into the #1 PS3 sales spot in its 2nd week, even if it only sells another 20k next week.
So, it seems that 1 + 1 does not equal 2. Gundam + Musou on PS3 does not equal twice Gundam game sales (yet) on PS3. Anyone think Gundam Musou will be able to break 240 in the first 3 or 4 weeks from its launch ?
grandjedi6
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cvxfreak said:
The problem is that there are only 52,000 students learning Japanese in the US so there might not be enough interest to make it profitable. However this seems to just strengthen the idea of Spanish training working in the US with over 700,000 people learning it.
It's not a matter of anyone being ABLE to do it, the fact is that had Nintendo not done it, we might not have seen a change in gaming landscape that huge for another few years, since the first-gen PSX controller and Saturn pad certainly weren't blazing that trail until Nintendo stepped it up. When the Wii-mote proves to be the development community's preferred input method and 3rd-parties breathe down Sony and MS' neck for not having their own Wii-mote, no one could think that Sony or MS aren't going to want to try and jump all over that, just like Sony did with the Dual Shock, and try and capitalize on someone else's success.PantherLotus said:
Well, in fairness, it's not like the games only sell in Japan (which was the specific data you were asking about), and some will most certainly do a lot better in other countries.TopDreg said:
...That said, when two times even the best of the Japanese figures still doesn't come to half of Namco Bandai's estimate, yeah, there's a problem (assuming Namco's not just overinflating the matter). Just taking the average of those seven games, 78,511, that's only 15% of the necessary figure to turn a profit.
Do we have figures to show what percentage of the average game's sales come from Japan over the past gen or so?
Phife Dawg
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I don't think so. If it was all about innovation both the N64 (analogue) and the CD-i (CD) would have sold better. And the PS1 didn't have an analogue stick for what, more than a year? Clearly enough time to get a headstarton the competition which did not happen. The reason was stated more than once-cartridges. N64 lacked the software and this wasn't a fault of not innovating (CD drive can hardly be called innovation when it had been done before in a console) but the fault of high development costs.PantherLotus said:
That's true to some extent. In the end PS3 can still be a successfull machine but I don't think it will be as dominant as PS2 ever. And high development costs are one of the factors responsible for that. I mean when I saw the Heavenly Sword clip I was amazed by the effort put into this-actors, top notch motion capturing etc. This is one expensive game-not all developers can afford this stuff. People are bitching about heaps of shovelware that is being thrown at the Wii but it was the same mass of software that won the market for the Playstation beforehand. GC had tons of quality titles but overall lacked diversity and simple numbers (of titles available).DeaconKnowledge said:
OK, so the so called innovation of the PS1 is no innovation at all? You are pretty much contradicting yourself here.PantherLotus said:
Jiggy37 said:
My bad for not including worldwide sales. Yet, I think the only game on that list that has surpassed the 500k barrier is Resistance, which, given its high development costs, is still nowhere close to turning a profit. I'd venture to say pretty confidently that there have been thus far no games on the PS3 that have come close to turning a profit. And so, I know the horse has been beaten to death already, but if sales of Gundam Musou don't come up with exceedingly high figures compared to other PS3 games then what plausible reason will Japanese game publisher have by then to develop for the PS3, considering the proven userbase (as of now) for the PS3 and the painful costs of development?
Edit: I really can't wait for tomorrow's MC data. So exciting!
Shin Johnpv
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ethelred said:
VietBitter
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It seems those early Gundam predictions were spot on.
Japanese wholesaler Tsutaya reported that Bandai Namco's PS3 game Gundam Musou sold approximately 180,000 copies in the first week, and sales of the console have doubled from previous week.
Source: The-Magicbox.com
Japanese wholesaler Tsutaya reported that Bandai Namco's PS3 game Gundam Musou sold approximately 180,000 copies in the first week, and sales of the console have doubled from previous week.
Source: The-Magicbox.com