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Media Create Sales 4/30 - 5/06

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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
speculawyer said:
What is the penetration of HDTVs in Japan? Are they broadcasting significant amounts of HDTV content? Has Japan rejected hi-def due to the demise of the analog MUSE hi-def system?
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I thought the whole HD broadcast movement has been led by Japan for the most part? I know they've had HD broadcasts for a long time (I have some HD downloads from at least 2000).
 
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Innotech

Banned
speculawyer said:
I give the consumers more credit than that . . . they are not just drive by blind-loyalty to brand. I think brand loyalty becomes kinda weak when you are making a $400+ toy purchase.



I sure agree with that . . . I find Japan's rejection of hi-def console gaming in general rather distressing. Neither the PS3 nor the 360 sells in Japan.

What is the penetration of HDTVs in Japan? Are they broadcasting significant amounts of HDTV content? Has Japan rejected hi-def due to the demise of the analog MUSE hi-def system?
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Also, it could possibly be that the Japanese arent as crazy about realism in their media, steeming from the massive amounts of anime-based product that is shoveled into their country everyday. hidef really doesnt make that stuff look much better than it already is.
Of course Im generalizing and I know there are a lot of people who like american movies over there and thus HD too. but its something to consider.
 
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RiskyChris

Banned
Innotech said:
Also, it could possibly be that the Japanese arent as crazy about realism in their media, steeming from the massive amounts of anime-based product that is shoveled into their country everyday. hidef really doesnt make that stuff look much better than it already is.
Of course Im generalizing and I know there are a lot of people who like american movies over there and thus HD too. but its something to consider.
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I personally find HD cartoons to be amazing, though I only have an HD download of South Park to go by.
 
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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Innotech said:
Also, it could possibly be that the Japanese arent as crazy about realism in their media, steeming from the massive amounts of anime-based product that is shoveled into their country everyday. hidef really doesnt make that stuff look much better than it already is.
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You can CLEARLY see a difference between SD and HD animation, though it is up to the studios whether or not they take advantage of the extra resolution. For the higher quality animation stuff that go the extra mile to show extra detail, the HD versions look much better IMO.
 
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Scalemail Ted

Member
XiaNaphryz said:
You can CLEARLY see a difference between SD and HD animation, though it is up to the studios whether or not they take advantage of the extra resolution. For the higher quality animation stuff that go the extra mile to show extra detail, the HD versions look much better IMO.
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If nothing else just the crispness of the linework makes HD animation so much cleaner than SD in comparison.
 
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Scalemail Ted

Member
I know its not exactly the same. But the comparison shot Capcom had wih the original sprites for SF2 and the newly remade HD sprites. So nice.

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donny2112

Member
Famitsu April 16-22

1. WII Super Paper Mario 156055 / NEW
2. PS2 Fate/Stay Night [Realta Nua] 143549 / NEW
3. PS2 Persona 3: Fes 105099 / NEW
4. NDS Ace Attorney 4 58589 / 298864
5. PSP Final Fantasy 1 52554 / NEW
6. NDS Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis 42864 / 126381
7. WII Wii Sports 35418 / 1348906
8. NDS Nodame Cantabile 30363 / NEW
9. NDS Yoshi's Island DS 29730 / 612404
10. WII Wii Play 23864 / 1100547
11. NDS More English Training 22809 / 139325
12. NDS New Super Mario Bros. 21954 / 4372972
13. NDS Atelier Lise 21739 / NEW
14. NDS Pokemon Diamond/Pearl 20342 / 5035730
15. NDS Brain Training 2 18450 / 4243865
16. NDS Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village 17863 / 466526
17. PS2 Pro Baseball Spirits 4 16698 / 129359
18. PS2 Musou Orochi 13934 / 581786
19. NDS Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS 11565 / 233689
20. NDS General Knowledge Training 11529 / 1350192
21. NDS Academy Alice: Excited, Happy Friends 11383 / NEW
22. NDS Mario Kart DS 11282 / 2078307
23. PS2 Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator 10700 / 107602
24. NDS Animal Crossing: Wild World 10592 / 4027890
25. PSP Gundam SEED Alliance vs. ZAFT Portable 10446 / 87338
26. PS2 Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ 10422 / 250463
27. NDS Digimon Story Sunburst/Moonlight 9488 / 121280
28. PSP Monster Hunter Portable 2 9478 / 1159666
29. NDS Brain Training 8896 / 3231520
30. PSP Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 2 8511 / 49089

Animal Crossing has been at #24 the past three Famitsu rankings. Only 20/30 are on Nintendo platforms. :p
 
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apujanata

Member
Vinnk said:
Maybe I wil call tomorrow. So the question I am asking is "Got any PS3s?" and if the answer is "no" follow it up with "Can you tell me why?"

Does that about cover it?

In any case. I need to get some sleep. It's past 1:00am here.
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Perfect ^3.

IMO, it is stupid for any retailer that were selling primarily games to stop selling any certain brand. The brand owner will certainly remember who is sticking with them (loyal), and who were not. I remember reading somewhere that Nintendo is prioritizing those shops that were loyal to them (during the N64 and GC era). Those loyal shops got more priority in DS (and Wii) shipment / allocation, either from Distributor (most of them) or directly from Nintendo (only for certain shop / chain, which are considered old timer).

OT : 9 more post to reach #1.
 
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RiskyChris

Banned
You guys realize you've tainted the thread tracking by not only beginning to talk about the size of MC threads, but letting people know you're monitoring the size of MC threads.

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, indeed!
 
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BrodiemanTTR

Member
apujanata said:
I remember reading somewhere that Nintendo is prioritizing those shops that were loyal to them (during the N64 and GC era). Those loyal shops got more priority in DS (and Wii) shipment / allocation, either from Distributor (most of them) or directly from Nintendo (only for certain shop / chain, which are considered old timer).
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That might explain why Toys R Us had almost 100 Wiis on launch day while a nearby target had 30 and a Kmart 6.
 
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Sharp

Member
Alkaliine said:
Thursday shall be bliss. NPD and MC Hardware numbers on the same day. :)
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Why do people point this out each month as though it's fresh and new? We always get MC and NPD hardware numbers on Thursdays, it's not a rare occurence.
 
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speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
Sharp said:
Why do people point this out each month as though it's fresh and new? We always get MC and NPD hardware numbers on Thursdays, it's not a rare occurence.
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But we don't get it weekly. Plus it's all a hype thing, to build up the bomb droppings!
 
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Version 3.0

Member
BrodiemanTTR said:
That might explain why Toys R Us had almost 100 Wiis on launch day while a nearby target had 30 and a Kmart 6.
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Nintendo has been tight with Toys R Us as far back as I can recall...I always thought it had more to do with Nintendo considering themselves a toy company than loyalty on Toys R Us' part.
 
Eteric Rice

Eteric Rice

Member
Leondexter said:
Nintendo has been tight with Toys R Us as far back as I can recall...I always thought it had more to do with Nintendo considering themselves a toy company than loyalty on Toys R Us' part.
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Actually, I think Nintendo owns stock in Toys R Us.
 
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apujanata

Member
chibcicylist said:
Is that also the reason why GS/EBGames are getting the short end of the stick? Even thier CEO was being a whiny baby.
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probably. It is common business practice that you reward your business partner that are loyal to you, and you shaft (**** off) business partner that are not loyal to you.

Are you saying that GS/EBGames are not loyal to Nintendo ?

I believe most game reseller chain should remember NOT to shaft PS (Sony). Life is a circle, there is always up and down. I don't believe that Sony will be down forever (leaving console business like Sega). It might take Sony 5-10 years to be back on top, but there is a very big possibility that Sony will be back on top, again, 10 years later.
 
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mj1108

Member
bmf said:
It will truly be a day to remember. The meltdowns will be glorious.
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The May Meltdown!

Forget the popcorn, who's bringing the mop and bucket to mop up the bitter tears and bloodshed?
 
Link

Link

The Autumn Wind
Was GS/EB even around when Nintendo was on top? They've always known Sony as the leader of the industry. I think it was more pushing Nintendo aside than abandoning them, since they were never really on their side to begin with.
 
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Grecco

Member
Link said:
Was GS/EB even around when Nintendo was on top? They've always known Sony as the leader of the industry. I think it was more pushing Nintendo aside than abandoning them, since they were never really on their side to begin with.
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EB was there during the SNES Era..
 
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Link

The Autumn Wind
According to Wiki, they didn't start to focus on videogames until the mid 90's. I guess they caught the latter part of the 16-bit era, but I'm guessing they put more focus on the 32/64-bit gen.
 
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PC Gaijin

Member
Link said:
According to Wiki, they didn't start to focus on videogames until the mid 90's. I guess they caught the latter part of the 16-bit era, but I'm guessing they put more focus on the 32/64-bit gen.
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EB pushed videogames hard from at least the beginning of the 16-bit era. I have a bunch of their old catalogs from around 1989-1992, and I remember shopping there in the early 90s. Their catalogs were at least half game stuff: NES, Turbografx-16, Genesis, SNES, Gameboy, etc. The stores were the same way. And Nintendo products were definitely front and center during those days.
 
D.Lo

D.Lo

Member
Scalemail Ted said:
I know its not exactly the same. But the comparison shot Capcom had wih the original sprites for SF2 and the newly remade HD sprites. So nice.

sfspritecomparison.jpg
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Nuh-uh, Street Fighter 2 was in like, 1/3 SD resolution, and even Street Fighter 3 was only in 1/2 SD resolution. Guilty Gear sprites are the only fair comparison there.
 
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miguel_c_hammer

Member
apujanata said:
IMO, it is stupid for any retailer that were selling primarily games to stop selling any certain brand. The brand owner will certainly remember who is sticking with them (loyal), and who were not. I remember reading somewhere that Nintendo is prioritizing those shops that were loyal to them (during the N64 and GC era). Those loyal shops got more priority in DS (and Wii) shipment / allocation, either from Distributor (most of them) or directly from Nintendo (only for certain shop / chain, which are considered old timer).
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Or it could just be as simple as Nintendo sending more systems to the stores more likely to sell them. Shops that were "loyal" to Nintendo through the N64 and GC probably weren't doing it out of sheer camaraderie. They just happen to be the places where Nintendo products sell best. It's only natural that these stores would continue to get a larger proportion of the available hardware.
 
Link

Link

The Autumn Wind
PC Gaijin said:
EB pushed videogames hard from at least the beginning of the 16-bit era. I have a bunch of their old catalogs from around 1989-1992, and I remember shopping there in the early 90s. Their catalogs were at least half game stuff: NES, Turbografx-16, Genesis, SNES, Gameboy, etc. The stores were the same way. And Nintendo products were definitely front and center during those days.
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Well, color me wrong, then. Limited shelf/wall space is always going to make you pick sides, though. You're going to end up pissing someone off regardless of what you do.
 
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Vinnk

Member
But really stores are doing Sony a favor when they carry the hardware. The profit (according to store owners I have taked to) on a PS2, was only 500yen (about $4.20 US) I assume that is is not much greater for the PS3. Systems take up a lot of space. The reason stores carry them, is in hopes that they can sell games with the system at tme of purchase. When the tie rate for the PS3 is so low, there is decreased motivation for sores to keep it in stock. A retailer will also make 500 yen on a DS sale and that system takes up almost no space becuase it usually dosn't stay for more than a few hours.

Some small stores don't carry hardware at all, only games.
 
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bananabread

Member
Here in Australia Harvey Norman (a major electronics chain that advertises a lot of hardware on TV) got the shaft from Nintendo on Wii supply because they dropped support during the GC era.
 
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_Alkaline_

Member
bananabread said:
Here in Australia Harvey Norman (a major electronics chain that advertises a lot of hardware on TV) got the shaft from Nintendo on Wii supply because they dropped support during the GC era.
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Having lived in Australia, I realise that Harvey Norman are an absolute joke. They price things way too high and are a renowned Playstation/Xbox fanboy.
 
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haircut

Member
You can't casually munch on steak, dork.

Looking at those sprites the thing that stands out most to me is that Ryu's character design was made for a lower resolution. If they beef up the sprite detail to such a high degree he needs more unique characteristics (like the Guilty Gear sprites) or he just becomes a boring sea of monochrome clothing and monochrome muscle.
 
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Fredescu

Member
Alkaliine said:
Having lived in Australia, I realise that Harvey Norman are an absolute joke. They price things way too high and are a renowned Playstation/Xbox fanboy.
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On the other hand there are a lot of them, they advertise heavily, and tend to have very long interest free loans. The smart money shops at JB Hi Fi and Toys r Us, or EB for used, but those three year interest free periods look good when you want to get a few things at once.
 
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viciouskillersquirrel

Member
haircut said:
You can't casually munch on steak, dork.
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Well, he might be able to. It all really depends on the relative size of his hands, his appetite and the steaks, really. Like market share, casual munching is all about proportions.

If I remember correctly, Harvey Norman got the shaft because they wanted more than their fair cut of Wii sales. That is to say, they wanted to buy them from Nintendo at a lower price than normal (which is what they apparently do all the time).

What I found funny is that because the GC had done so badly here in Australia, they thought they had Nintendo by the balls. They were so sure Nintendo would bow to their wishes as a mega retailer that they went so far as to announce that they would start stocking Nintendo stuff again. Nintendo immediately countered this with their own press release stating that this wasn't true - they had "refused to do business with them".

I giggled when Harvey Norman did their huge advertising blitz for the PS3 launch, then shut their stores early on launch night due to lack of interest.
 
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medrew

Member
Fredescu said:
On the other hand there are a lot of them, they advertise heavily, and tend to have very long interest free loans. The smart money shops at JB Hi Fi and Toys r Us, or EB for used, but those three year interest free periods look good when you want to get a few things at once.
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So long as you don't miss a payment, I believe GE underwrite their loans (or really hire-purchase being a more appropriate term) and puts in massive penalties for late payments. They also tack on monthly 'accounting fees' and an 'annual fee'
I also want to say that the price you pay is more than the store price despite the 'interest free' labelling but I am not that intimate with HN operations and don't read their junk mail.

They also got done by the Commerce Commission in NZ for misleading customers over the monthly fee they had to pay.
 
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VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
bananabread said:
Here in Australia Harvey Norman (a major electronics chain that advertises a lot of hardware on TV) got the shaft from Nintendo on Wii supply because they dropped support during the GC era.
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They deserved it the pricks, at one point they were begging Nintendo for the Wii.
 
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Fredescu

Member
medrew said:
So long as you don't miss a payment, I believe GE underwrite their loans (or really hire-purchase being a more appropriate term) and puts in massive penalties for late payments.
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The other catch is that often your minimum repayments won't be enough to pay off the whole thing inside the interest free period, and once you're outside the period you're up for the whole three years of interest.
They also tack on monthly 'accounting fees' and an 'annual fee'
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It's usually not too bad. Much cheaper than the interest on personal loans.
I also want to say that the price you pay is more than the store price despite the 'interest free' labelling but I am not that intimate with HN operations and don't read their junk mail.
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It depends. The finance company will take a cut, so the retailer will make sure the margin on the sale is high enough so they get some profit too. That means that sale items with low margins are usually exempt from finance, and there is much less wiggle room when it comes to price. That's the biggest "hidden cost" imo.

Regardless, interest free terms are still popular. It wouldn't be that uncommon to bundle a console in with that new TV purchase if you're not paying it off all in one hit. I don't have inside information, but I'd guess they'd still do decent console sales partly because of that. It would have to be better than Myer.
 
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