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Media Create Sales 4/9 - 4/15
- Thread starter Cheesemeister
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Well, it's not like the Wii cannot play CGs. I've not seen anything from FFXIII that cannot be done on the Wii, except the graphic caliber, and I mean, you can have the same escenarios and characters without that much detail and effects, an still be pretty.sphinx said:
The real question is how far they are into development of the game and how much it would cost them to switch everything to the Wii. It's not only about FFXIII, but about the next one too. They can reuse everything they've done in a spinoff and using the FFCC engine do the Wii version. At this rate, everything's possible.
S-E is in such a hard spot.
LizardKing
Member
gamespot..
where there is smoke there is fire right
(i know the article is like a month old just thought it was relevent)
where there is smoke there is fire right
(i know the article is like a month old just thought it was relevent)
Very nice DS and Wii sales. It looks like this is the beginning of the shipment increases, and the demand seems as high as ever. All of Sony's hw sales are troubling. PS2 is winding down very consistently, PSP is dropping quicker than I expected after having such a good run, and PS3 is approaching disaster levels.
PS3's possible salvation centres around FFXIII. To be honest, even if it remains exclusive I can't see it becoming the dominant console in Japan, at this point Wii is just too strong, and Nintendo hasn't really started with their releases! However, I think FFXIII is going to be an unsual product. IMO, it's either going to be the first new main FF which is multi-platform, or it's going to have horrendous downloadable content.
If FFXIII remains PS3 exclusive I think it's going to end up primarily a downloadable title. You'll buy the base game with early chapters at retail and then S-E will milk consumers dry with downloadable episodes, with the full game costing $100 - $200 (or even more) over a period of months or years. The game's development budget is just going to be to high and too long in its current state of visuals.
Whatever happens with the game something's going to give, whether it goes PS3 download, ends up multiplatform, or Wii exclusive, it's going to end up pissing off some people.
As for S-E and Japanese Developers in general, at this stage they would have to be retarded not throwing major resources behind exclusive Wii content.
PS3's possible salvation centres around FFXIII. To be honest, even if it remains exclusive I can't see it becoming the dominant console in Japan, at this point Wii is just too strong, and Nintendo hasn't really started with their releases! However, I think FFXIII is going to be an unsual product. IMO, it's either going to be the first new main FF which is multi-platform, or it's going to have horrendous downloadable content.
If FFXIII remains PS3 exclusive I think it's going to end up primarily a downloadable title. You'll buy the base game with early chapters at retail and then S-E will milk consumers dry with downloadable episodes, with the full game costing $100 - $200 (or even more) over a period of months or years. The game's development budget is just going to be to high and too long in its current state of visuals.
Whatever happens with the game something's going to give, whether it goes PS3 download, ends up multiplatform, or Wii exclusive, it's going to end up pissing off some people.
As for S-E and Japanese Developers in general, at this stage they would have to be retarded not throwing major resources behind exclusive Wii content.
LizardKing
Member
final fantasy XII cost around 35 million to develop, and probably 50 million total with ads (lost planet had a 20 million dollar ad budget for example), which they had to sell around 1.5 million to break even. i would imagine that developing ffXIII would have to cost somewhere around 50 million dollars (low balling). if they get 40 dollars per game sold they would have to sell around 1.2 million to cover dev costs. probably another 20 million for marketing. 70 million. huge but not unreasonable. 1.8 million copies.
FFXII sold 5 million so far. It will probably sell 6-7. so lets say 7 million. but on a userbase of 110 million ps2s or about .063%. if the ps3 continues at this rate it will have a userbase of around 15 million ww by the end of 2008, probably the latest ffXIII will arrive. if it sold the same percentage it would sell about 950,000 copies.
however we all know sales don't work like that and more than 950,000 people WW will either have the ps3 and buy FFXIII or will get the PS3 for that purpose. the only question is how many. It's hard to say how much a single game can move a console. It seems to be cutting it pretty close for SE though.
FFXII sold 5 million so far. It will probably sell 6-7. so lets say 7 million. but on a userbase of 110 million ps2s or about .063%. if the ps3 continues at this rate it will have a userbase of around 15 million ww by the end of 2008, probably the latest ffXIII will arrive. if it sold the same percentage it would sell about 950,000 copies.
however we all know sales don't work like that and more than 950,000 people WW will either have the ps3 and buy FFXIII or will get the PS3 for that purpose. the only question is how many. It's hard to say how much a single game can move a console. It seems to be cutting it pretty close for SE though.
Loonz said:
Remember when FFVII was announced for the PSP way back in ****ing 2004? And it's still not out?
I think the same may happen to FFXIII. At the very least, DQ on the Nintendo systems should offset any losses if FFXIII doesn't sell what it needs to or if they have to scrap the graphics engine and start over.
Souldriver
Member
I think they'll release FFXIII for the PS3, because they've made to much costs to just drop it now, but I think they'll make it multiplatform with the Xbox360 te make up sales in Europe and America. To make up for the inevitable bad Japan sales they'll make work of a high profile FF for the Wii and treat it like that's their FFXIII for this generation. It will have great sales, which will make the "spin off" > FFXIII.Jonnyram said:
_Alkaline_
Member
Imagine if FFXIII really did move to Wii.
GAF meltdown total.
GAF meltdown total.
Magicpaint
Member
Honestly, this is where I stand as well.marc^o^ said:
Of course I'm biased in that I'd hate to see FFXIII downgraded when brought over to the Wii. I wouldn't mind a FFXIII game on Wii though and I think Square-enix is definitely cooking one up for the Wii, just not the ones that have been announced for the PS3.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
From sinobi blog...
PS2 Fate Stay Night - 90.000 (7:3 regular vs limited edition which is selling out in many shops)
PS2 Persona 3 Fes - 65.000 (6:4 append vs normal, both very good sell through)
Wii Super Paper Mario - 70.000 (will probably pick up in the weekend)
PSP Final Fantasy I - 30.000 (100k shipment looks a little high)
NDS Nodame Cantabile - 15.000 (150k shipment!)
Says something about Atelier Lise and WiFi Asobi Taizen but not easy for me to translate
PS2 Fate Stay Night - 90.000 (7:3 regular vs limited edition which is selling out in many shops)
PS2 Persona 3 Fes - 65.000 (6:4 append vs normal, both very good sell through)
Wii Super Paper Mario - 70.000 (will probably pick up in the weekend)
PSP Final Fantasy I - 30.000 (100k shipment looks a little high)
NDS Nodame Cantabile - 15.000 (150k shipment!)
Says something about Atelier Lise and WiFi Asobi Taizen but not easy for me to translate
Magicpaint
Member
SPM's first sales are in line with what I'd expect. Definitely not as high as some were hoping for, though.
Hopefully it picks up in the weekend. No word about its own initial shipment figures?
Persona 3 FES did really well for an 'upgraded' Persona 3 IMO. It's unlikely to have legs, though.
Hopefully it picks up in the weekend. No word about its own initial shipment figures?
Persona 3 FES did really well for an 'upgraded' Persona 3 IMO. It's unlikely to have legs, though.
marc^o^ said:
Now who's dreaming? [I hope I dont eat those words:lol ]
What they will possibly do is put the current XIII on the long finger and hope PS3 sales increase. Meanwhile they will start a major XIII project for the Wii using whatever resources they have for it and releasing that as soon as it is ready.
Tiktaalik said:
It's been so long that my memory is a bit fuzzy, but I'm almost certain that's what at least happened with Zelda.
Phife Dawg said:
Stringer did a great job turning around their morbid television line. A big problem for Sony might be, however, they were awfully late to that party.
HDTVs are getting into commodities territory again (like the old crts). Even with these new techs that are gonna be introduced in the next couple years, tvs are beginning to settle into a level of acceptable performance and the new manufacturer wars will be over price.
Pioneer has the incredible new plasma set coming, but they're non-committal about how long they'll stay in a business that's no longer got the large margins.
The moral: Sony can't rely on the huge margins of their television lines forever, because that gravy train's not gonna last much longer.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Well, major releases (SPM, Fate and P3F) did very well. Minor releases got hurt, FF1 doesn't seem to need a second shipment....Atelier doesn't seem to have much appeal, maybe it'll catch some light on the next weeks like the last Tamagotchi is doing. Nodame looks really bad, it was on amazon so much time that I thought it would do better in its first day, would it be the next bomb in price thanks to massive first shipment?
Frankfurter
Member
Good sales for SPM imo, should do ~150k for the first week.
1-D_FTW said:
Well it is clear that this gen they are not going to dominate. The question is now how much fight is left in them. The post launch must be very moral draining.
Stringer may just want some decent profits from a lower risk Playstation strategy. You can bet he has turned his Evil Eye on the gaming divisions now. He may take tighter reigns. You will see Sony go all out, but not to win this generations console race; to turn a profit.
Decent, expected, numbers for SPM, I'd guess its going to double for its appearance on the chart. Lifetime it could make ~350k, or more depending on its staying power, which is similar to the last game iirc.Kurosaki Ichigo said:From sinobi blog...
PS2 Fate Stay Night - 90.000 (7:3 regular vs limited edition which is selling out in many shops)
PS2 Persona 3 Fes - 65.000 (6:4 append vs normal, both very good sell through)
Wii Super Paper Mario - 70.000 (will probably pick up in the weekend)
PSP Final Fantasy I - 30.000 (100k shipment looks a little high)
NDS Nodame Cantabile - 15.000 (150k shipment!)
Says something about Atelier Lise and WiFi Asobi Taizen but not easy for me to translate
It will be interesting to see Wii sales this week, I'm expecting Nintendo to have a healthy shipment.
peter_pumpkinhead
Member
Cheesemeister said:
For all the graph fans, it'd be awesome to see a graph of these numbers over time, say from the DS launch, or as far back as we have data for the top 50.
_Alkaline_
Member
Wii software sales remain a disappointment though (except for wii sports and wii play which are doing tremendous).
_Alkaline_
Member
Looks like Revenant Wings is set to sell some decent numbers.
I'm not willing to go onto the Moku train as pitched; I think the existing dev is a little too important. I think the game we currently know as FFXIII will remain on the PS3, possibly also ported to the 360 but not to the Wii.moku said:
However.
I do not believe it'll remain as 'FFXIII'. Bear in mind that the whole Fabula Nova Crystallis thing is meant to be a range of games on a variety of systems. As well as the no-subtitle 'main game', there's a bunch of extra games on the way.
First point: I would be unsurprised if Versus appears on the Wii. It appears to have had less commitment made to it than the main FFXIII, so they may be in a better position to ditch what they have and start over. That and, being an action game, there's scope for interesting remote usage.
Second point: I believe the existing FFXIII will be 'demoted' to being a subtitle game. Avoid the issue of tarnishing the brand by instead making that title into just part of the scattershot approach.
Third point: I believe that there will be further announcements of Wii-exclusive FFXIII titles (Haeresis, perhaps?)
Fourth point: FFXIII will end up either having *no* 'main game' - all games will be subtitled - or the Wii will get the one without a subtitle.
Doom_Bringer
Banned
What do you think will happen to White Knight Story? Level 5 is a small developer, they probably can't afford the PS3 gamble. Do you think they will bail out? Have they already bailed out? We haven't heard of the game since TGS