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Media Create Sales 4/9 - 4/15
- Thread starter Cheesemeister
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If moku is who I think he is, I seem to recall him going ****ing berserk when Nintendo showed the controller and writing off Nintendo as retarded.
Anyways, I really don't see why these numbers are really that unexpected. Did anybody really expect the Wii to fail (especially in Japan) where Nintendo has shown that new ideas (DS) sell very well? I'm not surprised and I doubt the Japanese third parties are surprised. It's obviously going to take some time to really bring in the big guns that can take advantage of the controller. We've only seen Nights and Umbrella Chronicles now. I don't see them all scrambling to port big projects from the other consoles because of this magic success.
For Sony's part, I assumed THEY would be the ones still supply-constrained at this stage (not the other way around), so the sales are not a surprise - the reason is, although the lack of games in Japan seems to be a big part of that.
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Anyways, I really don't see why these numbers are really that unexpected. Did anybody really expect the Wii to fail (especially in Japan) where Nintendo has shown that new ideas (DS) sell very well? I'm not surprised and I doubt the Japanese third parties are surprised. It's obviously going to take some time to really bring in the big guns that can take advantage of the controller. We've only seen Nights and Umbrella Chronicles now. I don't see them all scrambling to port big projects from the other consoles because of this magic success.
For Sony's part, I assumed THEY would be the ones still supply-constrained at this stage (not the other way around), so the sales are not a surprise - the reason is, although the lack of games in Japan seems to be a big part of that.
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Eteric Rice said:
That actually annoys me to some extent because it's like they say this assuming all other things just stop in time. Yeah, the PS3 won't be like this forever as I know many of its upcoming games will have an impact, but you can't exactly forget that PS3 isn't the only system with some potentially big titles on the way.
I actually fear for the internet the day PS3 sales are at a critical point and then something on the scale of Blue Dragon is released on the 360.
charlequin
Banned
sphinx said:
Or don't, and say you did.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Alright kiddos a few things:
1) No more Moku train shit. FFXIII in its current form is never going to see Wii. Wii might get an FFXIII branded game, but they are not going to just scrap the current one.
DROP IT.
2) While many find it amusing, PureAuthor needs to take his story to another thread. Media Create threads are meant for the sales. Not fanfics.
3) Seriously. Moku train stuff is about to get people lengthy bans. Remember MGS4 to 360 crap? Same thing here: until Square officially announces it, it's going to get smacked down.
1) No more Moku train shit. FFXIII in its current form is never going to see Wii. Wii might get an FFXIII branded game, but they are not going to just scrap the current one.
DROP IT.
2) While many find it amusing, PureAuthor needs to take his story to another thread. Media Create threads are meant for the sales. Not fanfics.
3) Seriously. Moku train stuff is about to get people lengthy bans. Remember MGS4 to 360 crap? Same thing here: until Square officially announces it, it's going to get smacked down.
Eteric Rice
Member
Diablos54 said:
Same, but it still wasn't as great as the DQIX thread. :lol
AdmiralViscen
Banned
:lol :lol @ malph
What is the problem of people boarding the Moku train? They have exposed their reasons properly and have justified them, it is not a fanboy wish.
That being said, I personally don't think that such a thing can happen.
1- A big part of the game is already done. If you just scrap it, you are basically trowing money to the dumpster. Little sales due to installbase or not, something is always better than nothing at all.
2- A port is near impossible.
3- A ffXIII wii spin off will do the trick
And yep, Wii / DS sales pretty much confirm that the Squarenix support will only improove with the time. I won't be surprised if some huge S-E franchises ends up in the Wii, technical limitations be dammed *prays for a Actraiser Wii*
That being said, I personally don't think that such a thing can happen.
1- A big part of the game is already done. If you just scrap it, you are basically trowing money to the dumpster. Little sales due to installbase or not, something is always better than nothing at all.
2- A port is near impossible.
3- A ffXIII wii spin off will do the trick
And yep, Wii / DS sales pretty much confirm that the Squarenix support will only improove with the time. I won't be surprised if some huge S-E franchises ends up in the Wii, technical limitations be dammed *prays for a Actraiser Wii*
Ikael said:
Whatever money they lose on FFXIII on the PS3, they'll make up with DQIX on the DS.
Diablos54 said:I've never seen most of it, I found out almost a day after and only saw the end.Has anyone got the link to it?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133134
The fun starts around page 21 (if you're at 50 posts per page).
Eteric Rice
Member
Ikael said:
I wouldn't push the issue if I were you.
I can imagine the heavy hitters from 3rd parties will come through eventually. Patience is key...
Nintendo should step it up with internal development though. I actually appreciate most of their non-game stuff (Brain Training, Nintendogs, etc...), but I'd definitely like to see experimental stuff on the system...
Speaking on sales for this week, I can imagine Super Paper Mario doing big numbers for a while though, I'm not sure about BBA though. Maybe we might see the Wii's 2 next million sellers a while from now...
Nintendo should step it up with internal development though. I actually appreciate most of their non-game stuff (Brain Training, Nintendogs, etc...), but I'd definitely like to see experimental stuff on the system...
Speaking on sales for this week, I can imagine Super Paper Mario doing big numbers for a while though, I'm not sure about BBA though. Maybe we might see the Wii's 2 next million sellers a while from now...
super funk
Member
super funk said:
malph said:Could someone do a comparisson of Wii first party vs. third party sales? I just want to put Nintendo's "success" into perspective
I just find it hilarious that people think that a high-end next-gen system with:
Final Fantasy XIII, FFvXIII, DMC4, MGS4, Motorstorm, White Knight Story, LBP, Resistance, VF5, two Gundam games, Killzone, RE5, FFVII Remake, GTA4, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Lair, Heavenly Sword, GT5, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Crysis, SingStar, plus Home and the best Blu-Ray player available
will be beaten by a barely last gen console with babyfied PSP ports and retard controls :lol .
Wow, super funk, how do you do it?!
Eteric Rice
Member
I think many felt that they're not going to "port" FFXIII, or stop working on the PS3 version, but use another engine and make a Wii version on the side of the PS3 version.
I'm not saying that will happen, just clarifying. Now that's about all you'll hear from me on the subject.
Lets talk about sales like we're supposed to.
I was wondering, what is Zelda TP up to world wide?
I'm not saying that will happen, just clarifying. Now that's about all you'll hear from me on the subject.
Lets talk about sales like we're supposed to.
I was wondering, what is Zelda TP up to world wide?
titiklabingapat
Member
So anybody knows the shipment numbers for SPM? Isn't it already Sunday in Japan? Any more new numbers that includes the weekend?
TheKingsCrown
Banned
The Dragona spoke, I would be careful.Eteric Rice said:
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Terrell said:
It's pretty common, sure usually it's using top selling games to allow the production of higher risk games, but this is the same general idea. I'm not saying that I think FFXIII will lose lots of money, though.
Eteric Rice
Member
TheKingsCrown said:
Indeed, I just wanted to clarify. I won't be discussing it again.
I'd love to know how much FFXIII is costing them. Would make figuring out how many copies need to be sold before they profit on it.
Jamesfrom818
Banned
GreenGlowingGoo said:
The fact that that a numbered Final Fantasy could be considered a higher risk game should be a bit concerning, don't ya think? FFXIII should be the game to subsidize potential losses of something along the lines of Parasite Eve or something.
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
That's a remarkably easy bet to lose if you don't want to be quoted down the road for being one of the naysayers. Given SE will likely release multiples of FFXIII titles one might just end up on the Wii despite all the contrary evidence.
One point I think all the FFXIII for Wii boosters have right though is that we haven't seen much of the main FFXIII game since the trailer last year and that was just a tech demo. S-E has been working hard promoting the spin off series Fabula Nova Crystalis for PS3 instead. It did raise my eyebrow since this would be the first time a mainline FFXIII game takes a back seat to its spin off entities if they were to release that first. May will clarify quite a few things for us, and probably induce a few meltdowns as well.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Jamesfrom818 said:
What? I was merely pointing out to Terrel that using the profits of a good selling game to make up for the loss of bad selling ones is a very old and common strategy. I made no judgements about the games in question.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
My goodness. I leave this thread for a day and already there's a trail of bodies lining the road.
I wonder when PS3 sales will bottom out and how bad sales will be that week. Did anyone keep track of the GCN's highs and lows?
I wonder when PS3 sales will bottom out and how bad sales will be that week. Did anyone keep track of the GCN's highs and lows?
stewacide said:
This is true. First, let's ignore all other factors besides costs and turnover made via FF13 development. (so ignoring the impact it'll have on the franchise, the impact it'll have on Square's image, the console ownership of current and potential Final Fantasy buyers, etc).
This is just an example. And the numbers aren't intended to be good estimates.
Let's say SE has already sunk 15 million into its development on PS3.
And it'll cost them another 15 million to finish it. And let's say that releasing it on PS3 will give them sales of 1 million. We'll put it at a turnover of 20 million. This is a 10 million US dollar loss.
And if they put it on Wii right now. It'd mean much of the design process, the gameplay and programming has been done, it'd just need porting down to Wii, downgrading assets and/or reusing assets from PS2 games, etc. We'll put it at a bloated 15 million to finish. And it sells 3 million and gives them a turnover of 50 million. That's a 20 million US dollar profit.
Square-Enix's decision will be very significant for the Japanese gaming market, IMO, and thus it is a very important discussion in a Media Create thread.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Well said. Square-Enix has some very interesting decisions ahead of them. Whatever they do it will cause a meltdown (either on the internet, or among Square-Enix itself).Parl said:
titiklabingapat
Member
I see banned bodies. =\
Mr. Pointy
Member
What's the MC LTD for Bleach DS 2nd?
mabuza said:
No, and I haven't really talked about this before. Somebody should make a thread about it or something. I'm amazed that GAF could veto such an obviously important discussion in MC threads.
What are we gonna talk about? I mean, if there's discussion with depth about important issues for the Japanese market, then it's okay. It's just as valid a discussion as "will PS3 drop below 10k, 9k 8k per week over the course of the next few months?"
But if that's what's been decided, then so be it. Sales-Age discussion continue its downward spiral. Soon, discussion of future 3rd party Wii support in Japan, discussion of the future of big franchises (other than FF) and the platforms they will be on, and Predictions-Age will die. R.I.P. 2007.
j/k
In all seriousness, we should stop saying "FF13 on Wii!", "MGS4 on 360", "DQX on Wii", etc, week-in-week out. But these are big issues to and need to be discussed somewhere.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
I don't see any bet in my post. I was mentioning that discussion on the main FFXIII going Wii had become a norm here and it was pretty pathethic. Thankfully Dragona came in and we can relax a little and maybe turn this into a MC thread rather than the 'lets discuss what will happen to FFXIII' weekly thread.Deku said:
Unless it was given in a 2ch post, thats going to be difficult to know. The latest Famitsu number for it that I have (probably last number before leaving top30) is 65,414.Mr. Pointy said:
titiklabingapat
Member
Dragona spoke. Take heed and realize that she's probably one of the most powerful Nintendo mods around. But you already knew that.Parl said: