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Media Create Sales 7/16 - 7/22
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titiklabingapat
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Especially if they took up Godfather's waggle and polished it up some more, added more content by building a much bigger city(you can cram more crap more on the disc because you're not using HD assets).felipeko said:
In short, something that was given the same attention and resources as the 360/PS3 versions. Well, maybe a bit cheaper.
There is no room for "playing games" in a sales threadrakka said:Good point there...
But if gta wii did happen, who really cares which version sold the most? (i would say 360 > wii > ps3 however, at the rate the triple is selling at)
Gamers win -- whatever system they own , they would be able to play it..
AnimeTheme
Member
felipeko said:
Hard to make a guess for PS3, but XB360 would definitely win in this case.
felipeko said:
GTA's 360 sales would absolutely slaughter the Wii sales. It'd be a killing field. No valid comparison could be made. And it's crazy to think otherwise.
The only way you COULD think otherwise is if you've been completely ignoring 360's insane software sales for the past two years, and doing that requires crazy levels of ostriching.
felipeko said:
Yeah. Past data. Take the blinders off, man.
titiklabingapat
Member
I don't think "slaughtered" is the right word to use. It will do "better", but it's not like Wii software is lagging.ethelred said:
BUT, if the Wii version get's released one to two years down the line(the time it would probably take to not botch it up), and not just a straight up port, it will probably do "better" than the 360 version just on sheer userbase advantage alone.
I agree with what apujanata's saying.
Even if a GTA IV port was released on Wii at the same time as the 360 and PS3 version I wouldn't expect it to be the biggest selling version, even though it could sell relatively well.
I think many franchises from last gen are in decline amongst the casual (PS2) audience, because developers are continuing to refine them in a way which appeals more to the hardcore. This group is still a big enough audience to give these games healthy sales, but most of the biggest titles will top out around 5 million imo, and I can't see anything selling over 10 million.
If Wii becomes the market leader by a huge margin, and old franchises come to the system in a new, built from the ground up way, some could sell really well, more than 360 and PS3 editions, but I think it's going to be a while before we see this.
Even if a GTA IV port was released on Wii at the same time as the 360 and PS3 version I wouldn't expect it to be the biggest selling version, even though it could sell relatively well.
I think many franchises from last gen are in decline amongst the casual (PS2) audience, because developers are continuing to refine them in a way which appeals more to the hardcore. This group is still a big enough audience to give these games healthy sales, but most of the biggest titles will top out around 5 million imo, and I can't see anything selling over 10 million.
If Wii becomes the market leader by a huge margin, and old franchises come to the system in a new, built from the ground up way, some could sell really well, more than 360 and PS3 editions, but I think it's going to be a while before we see this.
You mean, the good X360 sold well?ethelred said:
Looks like even the shitty Wii games are selling well, and the good games selling even better.
I think it really have more to do with the quality/hype of the game than the kind of (stereotyped) userbase (that GAF have) of the console. Feel free to prove me otherwise.
That would be a unfair disvantage. But they released all togheter i think in the end Wii's version would sell better based on: price, waggle and bigger userbase.titiklabingapat said:
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
ziran said:
I think it is more a userbase problem: to all people that think that GTA IV will sell as their predecessors on console, fix in mind that there is not enough userbase. Same for Halo 3. Thelong term is what matters.
But, anyway, I would not say "decline" of the franchise. The userbase, again, is what matters.
MasterMFauli said:
Don't dream too much.. The Wii will NOT have a single GTA-game in my opinion, exactly like no a single Metal Gear or Devil May Cry or Monster Hunter. I simply don't see this happening.
Defuser said:
The typical excuse Third Parties will take to not develop good and not-kiddish games for Wii.
But I thought that Dewy was not that bad after all....or not ?
LanceStern
Banned
Mithos Yggdrasil said:
For me, it's more that Dewy's Adventure showed somee effort put into Wii titles: It's presentation, especially the art style, visuals and technical effects thrown in. Lots of stuff going onscreen, normal mapping, huge environments, the whole shebang. I heard it controleld kind of wanky though
1. While I am disappointed that Dewy's Adventure sold bad, I cannot say it's a surprise or any ways "not a success". Konami ReALLY should have known better than to release such a children's game out to the public. Especially when that public is taking a liking to different types of games these days, it was just a bad business decision.
If they had used that graphics engine for something else (Dewy was a very beautiful title) more suited to the Wii audience, it would have been a bigger shsame. But I'm not worried about Dewy's bad sales.
2. Before we label doom and gloom for Minna no golf (PS3), I know ethel has a list of past Minna No Golf sales, but can we find out what was the userbase of the system at the time of the 1st, second week and LTD sales?
It would be wrong to piss over EXCELLENT PS3 software sales for the week (for Minna) just because it sold half of previous golf titles. It still has DRAMATICALLY less than half of the PS2/PSX userbase.
3. What is Taiko no Tatsujin?
4. With the great first day sales of MP8, Minna no Golf, Oblivion, Taiko no Tatsu, GTA and such guaranteeing a diverse Top 20 at least, how many of the FAMOUS FIVE do you guys think will be able to penetrate the MC Top 20 this week?
Animal Crossing, NSMB, BA2, Pokemon and Mario Kart DS might be kicked out this week, but I have a feeling if anything BA2 and NSMB will still be able to sit there.
5. To Masklinn.... no
kisakiproject
Member
ki/oon said:
Oblivion is a sleeper hit, nice! Should have released a bundle, lol. Also, I bet the Ps3 version is coming soon now because of this. 360, wii, and ps3 should ge tbig bumps this week.
I think the idea that people will buy systems for 1 game doesn't really count when you're talking about $600 purchases.
No PS3 game will magically spur 100k sales (I doubt even FFXIII would) at $600.
Instead Sony will need to build up a strong library of AAA titles that sell well software-wise in Japan so that when they price drop the system Japanese consumers will see an affordable system + a bunch of games that appeal to them and feel like the purchase is justified. That's when hardware sales should take off to the 40-50k levels.
No PS3 game will magically spur 100k sales (I doubt even FFXIII would) at $600.
Instead Sony will need to build up a strong library of AAA titles that sell well software-wise in Japan so that when they price drop the system Japanese consumers will see an affordable system + a bunch of games that appeal to them and feel like the purchase is justified. That's when hardware sales should take off to the 40-50k levels.
Pureauthor
Member
Bebpo said:
YEOWCH
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
LanceStern said:
Taiko Drum Master
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Isn't that the remaining argument those with Sony goggles steadfastly hold on to? Even after Gundam, VF5, Ninja Gaiden, etc...Bebpo said:
Pureauthor said:
uhh...if the system gets to the point where it consistently sells 40-50k every week for its lifetime, it'll do quite well. You don't need 100k weekly sales to do ok in the Japan market.
XiaNaphryz said:
Isn't that the main thing Sony critiques complain about? The FIVE-HUNDRED-AND-NINETY-NINE DOLLARS? That it cuts off the casual consumer market and turns videogaming into a small niche instead of giving it the broad appeal it should have?
Pureauthor
Member
Bebpo said:
Yes, 40-50K was considered average in the Japanese market prior to the DS, unless I've got my facts wrong. The point is that 'taking off' to 'average' seems... well, you know.
Pureauthor
Member
Then... doesn't that mean it was the average?
JoshuaJSlone
Member
X360 does have a particularly high tie ratio in the US, and at least for the rest of this year its userbase will be significantly higher than Wii. So unless a multiplatform game is particularly strong on Wii for some reason, X360 has the advantage.felipeko said:
The same (potential) advantages the PSP had. Considering the slow start and that the portable market is now stronger than the home market, it seems to me a resurgent PS3 would still have trouble matching PSP, let alone besting it.Bebpo said:
SouthernDragon
Member
Yes, but saying that hitting 40-50k would be an excellent sales surge still feels surreal for a Playstation product, you know?
It's kinda like setting a low bar.
But it'd still be good, nonetheless.
It's kinda like setting a low bar.
But it'd still be good, nonetheless.
If you're counting Pokemon as one game, I think it's safe to say that they would make it; if they were on the lower end, though, we'd never be able to tell they made it just from Media Create data. If you're counting Pokemon as two--well, you can't be, because that would change your label into the Famous Six. >_>LanceStern said:
artredis1980
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Sony has SOLD 4.8 million consoles worldwide, not shipped. They are aiming for 14.5 million by March 2008?? thats 9 months, 10 million consoles, 1 million worldwide per month is a stretch.
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Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
artredis1980 said:
They haven't sold anywhere near 4.8 million consoles worldwide.
Stop and think for a minute; 1 million flat in Japan, ~1.6 million in North America. These are facts. The only wildcards are Europe/other, and so unless you believe that somehow the PS3 has sold 37% more than North America despite the mother****er of an exchange rate and despite the fact that the PS3 launched in Europe in March, the PS3 has not sold 4.8 million.
It's substantially more likely that they've sold about 1.1-1.3 million in Europe/other, putting them a smidge below 4 million.
BishopLamont
Banned
Dewy bombing pretty much tells us that the Wii crowd is not made of kids. Nintendo is really catering to the mums and dads. Either that or Konami just sucks at marketing. Or both. I really hoped Dewy done well because it seemed like Konami actually tried on this one, I think they just went about it the wrong way.
Look no one can say if GTA will sell on the Wii or not, it's not there yet. Third party is really unpredictable at this point, because there isn't many to go by on.
Taiko no Tatsujin resupply end of August? WTF are they doing -_-
Does anyone have numbers for any previous Gundam games for GC if there is any?
Look no one can say if GTA will sell on the Wii or not, it's not there yet. Third party is really unpredictable at this point, because there isn't many to go by on.
Taiko no Tatsujin resupply end of August? WTF are they doing -_-
Does anyone have numbers for any previous Gundam games for GC if there is any?
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Stumpokapow said:
He's a junior. Why are you surprised ? Anyway, you're right. Numbers cannot change only when we want.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
sphinx said:
If next week PS3 will not sell at least 30k (and it's still a small number !), I don't see how Sony could manage to reach next year (the year where BIG games come out) with possibility > 0 to make the console a success.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I was just referring to the recent "MNG5 will begin the turnaround in Japan!" posts we were saying in the last week or two.Bebpo said:
I always forget, are bundle sales counted with software, hardware, or both?Mithos Yggdrasill said:
milanbaros
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artredis1980 said:
Unless you know what you are talking about I would strongly advise staying out of these threads. The posters on sales age doesn't allow mistakes of any kind, especially not ones with numbers in. It can get tedious but it does mean that gaf probably has the most accurate data, analysis etc on the web.
test_account
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Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Junior status only shows how many posts you have so why does it matter if hes a junior? Or do you automaticly get wiser after you have posted 250 posts (or what the junior limit is)? Hehe