Cheesemeister
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Media Create Sales 7/16 - 7/22
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LanceStern
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gimz said:
They usually know first day numbers and a famitsu chart update...
JohnyDeepthroat
Member
I'm clueless...Lightning said:
Moor-Angol said:It's not totally worthless, sometime it's helpfull for understanding how the market is going.
If a title quickly drops day after day, it means sales are going down, the only big difference is about preorders, sometimes we saw many games that never entered in top25 but has some decent sales, on the other hand, sometimes we saw games for long time in the highest places but they sold not so much.
Last week we had Famitsu top100 for first half 2007 and many people was surprised to see some DS games, but if you look at amazon.jp, you will see them constantly in the chart (Kanji Training from IE Institute, TOEIC Test, just to say 2 titles).
So, as i said before, it's not totally worthless and not totally helpfull, you only have to interpret data in the correct way.
@ Jimbo: Oblivion currently is above MnG5, but you know how long time MnG5 has stayed in top25 before launch? Many, many, many weeks.
That's the difference.
Don't focus on positions just considering some days or a few weeks, you must increase the range of weeks to have a better analysis.
Another thing to keep an eye on is used games: after release days, if you see many people selling the game, this means sales will drop cause people are buying 2nd hand copies.
Hope i gave some hints about how to understand in a better way amazon.jp top100 chart
Actually I've been keeping track since late april. Oblivion's been higher and longer than MNG, which is why it's not a good indicator in the case of PS3 or Wii....much larger user base compared to 360. MNG killed it in first day sales. Same happened with NG. Not once did it ever top ES, but it still had longer legs, while ES dropped like a rock. off MC charts.
LanceStern
Banned
Frillen said:
I just call it like I see it every week.
BishopLamont
Banned
Just a question if anyone know, why doesn't MC or Famitsu give us LTD numbers for games charted every week, instead of only the top 10? Is this reserved for paying customers or something?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Tf53 said:
Because they sell that data?
Wow, I can't believe Oblivion is STILL in the top 10 on Amazon.jp. No 360 game has ever done that this year almost a week after it came out.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/videogames
Also interesting is that the Halo 3 jumped 10 spots since the 4 player co-op announcement, and is also the earliest a 360 game has charted on Amazon before its release date with the exception of Ace Combat 6(Top 40 since mid July and doesn't come out until Nov).
If my theory holds Oblivion may just be the first 360 game this year to actually chart 2 weeks in a row. While Halo 3 and Ace Combat 6 are poised to be the best selling 360 games this year in Japan. LO isn't available for pre-order but I expect that to also be a top contender. If it was available for pre-order it would probably be above AC6.
Oh and how come Japan gets this and we don't? http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000UA13VK/
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/videogames
Also interesting is that the Halo 3 jumped 10 spots since the 4 player co-op announcement, and is also the earliest a 360 game has charted on Amazon before its release date with the exception of Ace Combat 6(Top 40 since mid July and doesn't come out until Nov).
If my theory holds Oblivion may just be the first 360 game this year to actually chart 2 weeks in a row. While Halo 3 and Ace Combat 6 are poised to be the best selling 360 games this year in Japan. LO isn't available for pre-order but I expect that to also be a top contender. If it was available for pre-order it would probably be above AC6.
Oh and how come Japan gets this and we don't? http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000UA13VK/
Magicpaint
Member
Oblivion had really good first day sales, too. I'm curious to see where it'll top out for the week; a top ten -- maybe top 5 even -- spot is very likely.
Magicpaint said:
Man I would freaking love it if Oblivion goes on to double ES and get close to BD sales. :lol It would turn GAF on its head. Western RPG with "bad art" outsells FF creator's first next-gen game and ES's lush and beautiful Japanese stylish graphics.
I wanna see that almost as bad as the streams crossing. Oh and if Halo 3 and COD4 outsells Lost Odyssey in Japan....that would be really sweet too.:lol
Edit: And I just have this crazy feeling that something like this can happen, because this generation, Japan has done nothing but throw curve balls...as if almost on purpose to spite GAF predictions
Magicpaint
Member
It might mean less chance of more jRPGs on the 360. :/
Don't get me wrong, I want Oblivion to do well because it's great, but I want my fix of jRPGs on 360 (I'm not getting a PS3 anytime soon), and so I want jRPGs to do well-- I wasn't too pleased with TB dropping like a rock, but BD's sales were very encouraging; it met the target of both Microsoft and Sakaguchi.
Don't get me wrong, I want Oblivion to do well because it's great, but I want my fix of jRPGs on 360 (I'm not getting a PS3 anytime soon), and so I want jRPGs to do well-- I wasn't too pleased with TB dropping like a rock, but BD's sales were very encouraging; it met the target of both Microsoft and Sakaguchi.
BishopLamont
Banned
If they sell the data, how come we never get any leaks what so ever? It happens with NPD, why not MC?Stumpokapow said:
AniHawk said:
What? How does a Western game outselling a Japanese game that's already out in Japan = less Japanese support? I'm not wishing JRPG's to bomb...I'm saying it would be funny if a western RPG outsold them. Or a FPS. Oblivion's success or failure won't change ES or BD's sales now.
That's like saying if FF outsells Killzone 2 in the US, it means less Western FPS for the PS3 in the US.
I don't doubt they track sales of all the games being sold (how would they otherwise know which are in the top 10/30/50?) they just only release figures for the weekly top 10. Had they released LTD figures for games outside the top 10 then they would've indirectly revealed weekly sales of those games too.Tf53 said:
AniHawk said:
So would I. Because in all honesty, after everything we've heard and played about these 3 games....Oblivion, even 1 year later, wipes the floor with both BD and ES as far as bang for your buck, fun factor and depth. It would actually mean the Japanese aren't as closed minded as people think, and they would recognize a game based on its own merit, even though its developed in the West.
Because let's be honest if Oblivion had this art style
and this logo:
it would sell like hotcakes in Japan.
Square proved that they can copy a Western formula add their style to it, and make it a huge success. I'd love it if they tried to copy Oblivion with the same success. I would be in heaven for an Oblivion-like game with Japanese art.....not the "look-at-me-I'm-so-cute" stuff...but the more mature Japanese art like you see in some of the Animes or even later FF titles.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Famitsu numbers
PS3 38,000
PS2 14,000
Wii 70,000
360 3,800
1. [Wii] Mario Party 8 - 280,000
2. [PS3] Minna no Golf 5 - 176,000
3. [NDS] Taiko no Tatsujin DS - 90,000
4. [NDS] Its a Wonderful World - 81,000
5. [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 14 - 53,000（~200,000）
6. [360] Oblivion - 45,000
7. [Wii] Gundam MS 0079 - 44,000
8. [PSP] GTA LCS - 39,000
9. [Wii] Dragon Quest Swords - 32,000（~400,000）
10. [NDS] Zelda Phantom Hourglass - 32,000 (~680,000）
13. PS2 パチパラ14 - 24,000
14. --- MGS BOX - 24,000
18. PS2 KOF Maximum Impact A - 18,000
20. PS3 Wangan Midnight - 18,000
25. PS2 Shake II - 16,000
30. PSP Piposaru Daisakusen - 13,000
... NDS Simple DS Vol 18 Gunground - 2,600
... ??? Major League - 1,600
... Wii Dewy's Adventure - 1,200
... Wii Guilty Gear - 900
... ??? むこうぶち - 650
I'll continue translating...
PS3 38,000
PS2 14,000
Wii 70,000
360 3,800
1. [Wii] Mario Party 8 - 280,000
2. [PS3] Minna no Golf 5 - 176,000
3. [NDS] Taiko no Tatsujin DS - 90,000
4. [NDS] Its a Wonderful World - 81,000
5. [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 14 - 53,000（~200,000）
6. [360] Oblivion - 45,000
7. [Wii] Gundam MS 0079 - 44,000
8. [PSP] GTA LCS - 39,000
9. [Wii] Dragon Quest Swords - 32,000（~400,000）
10. [NDS] Zelda Phantom Hourglass - 32,000 (~680,000）
13. PS2 パチパラ14 - 24,000
14. --- MGS BOX - 24,000
18. PS2 KOF Maximum Impact A - 18,000
20. PS3 Wangan Midnight - 18,000
25. PS2 Shake II - 16,000
30. PSP Piposaru Daisakusen - 13,000
... NDS Simple DS Vol 18 Gunground - 2,600
... ??? Major League - 1,600
... Wii Dewy's Adventure - 1,200
... Wii Guilty Gear - 900
... ??? むこうぶち - 650
I'll continue translating...
test_account
XP-39C²
38000 PS3s? Damn Guess MnG had some effect. I wonder how long it will last.
Guess MnG had some effect. I wonder how long it will last.test_account
XP-39C²
Higher attach ratio with MnG5 than MP8 tho (~17.6% VS ~9.3%)
test_account
XP-39C²
justjohn said:
How much was expected?
BishopLamont said:
Famitsu gives a top 30 with LTD numbers for free every week for two weeks ago. Are you joking here? I figured it would be kind of hard to miss.
BishopLamont said:
We do. How do you think we ever see weekly numbers or LTDs for games outside of the top 10 from Media-Create? Just because it isn't thousands of games doesn't mean we never see any leaked data.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
And people thought DQS would do a million units... heh
How does Wonderful World stack up against new Square IPs?
I can't tell if that number is good or not... though considering how easy DS games sell at this point, it doesnt seem that great
How does Wonderful World stack up against new Square IPs?
I can't tell if that number is good or not... though considering how easy DS games sell at this point, it doesnt seem that great
Souldriver
Member
How much did the PS3 sell when Gundam came out?
Nevertheless: nice to see a 360 and PS3 game in the top 10. I'm very surprised by Oblivion. That seems to come out of nowhere, with all our attention going to Blue Dragon and Eternal Sonata. Also: great sales for MP8. Can someone give the previous MP opening week numbers?
Nevertheless: nice to see a 360 and PS3 game in the top 10. I'm very surprised by Oblivion. That seems to come out of nowhere, with all our attention going to Blue Dragon and Eternal Sonata. Also: great sales for MP8. Can someone give the previous MP opening week numbers?
test_account
XP-39C²
E-phonk said:
How big was the PS2 userbase at that time?
Mr. Pointy
Member
MnG5 didn't sell as high as it could have. Could have legs. Maybe. PS3 sales are decent, more like REmakebump than Gundabump. Although I'd hope it can sustain those numbers.
MP8 exploded.
IAWW did better than I was expecting.
MP8 exploded.
IAWW did better than I was expecting.