sebthelobster
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Aadil said:
you are comparing death by old age to death by birth defect and death by wii-crash accident... most disrespectful
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you are comparing death by old age to death by birth defect and death by wii-crash accident... most disrespectful
LanceStern
Banned
AniHawk said:
EGM scores game LOW. Lair will be getting 8.5s and up everywhere else I believe.
sebthelobster
Banned
rakka said:
and then we will get into the whole sonic 8.5 thing.....
sebthelobster
Banned
On a side note, is play magazine traditionally biased against nintendo?
I just read their recent article "long live the king"... lots of sour grape against the wii :/
Some choicy quote here
"PS3 sales is still soft, but the proposed 10 year lifespam shouldnt need a strong initial sales"
"hurray for blue-ray"
"nintendo is back on top with DS and Wii.... but for how long?"
" sony is to reboot the softening psp demand with a incoming pricedrop to compete with the much more popular DS, althogh such comparison shouldnt be valid as they are targeting at different demographic"
I just read their recent article "long live the king"... lots of sour grape against the wii :/
Some choicy quote here
"PS3 sales is still soft, but the proposed 10 year lifespam shouldnt need a strong initial sales"
"hurray for blue-ray"
"nintendo is back on top with DS and Wii.... but for how long?"
" sony is to reboot the softening psp demand with a incoming pricedrop to compete with the much more popular DS, althogh such comparison shouldnt be valid as they are targeting at different demographic"
justchris said:
Very unfortunately, that's the truth.
When I first saw it, I thought it would be like the platforming levels in Paper Mario: TTYD. Reality is somewhat different. It's still a decent game, but it doesn't have as much draw, for me, as a pure platformer in that style (even with the character switching and abilities included) would have.Stumpokapow said:
It gets brought up occassionally, but when you're talking about 120 million vs. 22/24 million or 100 million vs. 22/24 million, it's sort of a moot point. Besides, there's no way to know for sure how many are repeat buyers or why they bought the system again (e.g. broken, new design). Also with both the 360 and the PS2, the large amount of total software sales shows that the duplicate buyers don't prevent the software from still selling.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Lobster said:
"Normal" review sites ?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
donny2112 said:
That was entirely my point; that because you have no idea how many buyers for any console are repeats or collectors or people breaking the consoles for funny YouTube videos, you can't say something like "360S BREAK SO SALES NUMBERS ARE INFLATED" which is what the guy I was replying to was saying.
Gekkonidae
Member
Lobster said:
It's really a question of personal taste. Decide what reviews seem to match up with your views and stick with them if you trust them. Personally I find IGN and Gamespot lacking, and much prefer EGM and Edge for their tough reviews. But I wouldn't expect everyone to agree with me.
More virtually meaningless numbers from The Store:
Heavenly Sword: 17
Lairrible: 26 (second highest for the system ever outside GH III)
Half Life 2: The Orange Box: 12
360: 10
PS3: 1
PC: 1
Madden 2008: 123
360: 46
PS2: 34
PS3: 16
Wii: 8
Xbox: 7
DS: 5
PSP: 5
PC: 2
Assassin's Creed: 38
360: 27 (16 reg, 11 CE)
PS3: 11 (reg)
From now on, these will probably be monthly.
Heavenly Sword: 17
Lairrible: 26 (second highest for the system ever outside GH III)
Half Life 2: The Orange Box: 12
360: 10
PS3: 1
PC: 1
Madden 2008: 123
360: 46
PS2: 34
PS3: 16
Wii: 8
Xbox: 7
DS: 5
PSP: 5
PC: 2
Assassin's Creed: 38
360: 27 (16 reg, 11 CE)
PS3: 11 (reg)
From now on, these will probably be monthly.
Moor-Angol
Banned
I wonder why we have to talk about US preorders inside a japanese weekly sales chart...
ComputerNerd
Banned
nvmd.
ComputerNerd
Banned
AniHawk said:
I need glasses. I was only looking at stuff under the bold headings.
Moor-Angol
Banned
I don't mean your posts are not interesting, it's nice to see something about US preorders and have an idea about how much games will sell, i just feel it's a little OT here...
On the other side i know MC threads are : famitsu chart, first shinobi numbers, MC numbers for sw, MC numbers for hw, "oh my god, PS3 is doomed", "will FF13 be ported to Wii?", "someone has first day sale numbers?", waiting for shinobi numbers, famitsu chart and everything starts again....
On the other side i know MC threads are : famitsu chart, first shinobi numbers, MC numbers for sw, MC numbers for hw, "oh my god, PS3 is doomed", "will FF13 be ported to Wii?", "someone has first day sale numbers?", waiting for shinobi numbers, famitsu chart and everything starts again....
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
SE shipment numbers....
- Final Fantasy XII Revenant Wings (NDS): 520.000 St.
- Itadaki Street DS (NDS): 280.000 St.
- Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions (PSP): 310.000 St.
Uh, I wonder how is something new like IaWW going to do compared to these titles...
- Final Fantasy XII Revenant Wings (NDS): 520.000 St.
- Itadaki Street DS (NDS): 280.000 St.
- Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions (PSP): 310.000 St.
Uh, I wonder how is something new like IaWW going to do compared to these titles...
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
AniHawk said:
WHAT???
If that is any indication, the Wii version will be a MONSTER in the charts.
:lol
LanceStern
Banned
AniHawk said:
No it's because I actually use trends and precedent this time to determine it.
- Magazines generally give out 10s more than websites
- EGM's scores are lower than most magazines (6s and 5.5s compared to 8s and 9s)
- Websites generally are more forgiving in their scores.
Exceptions are aplenty in this case, but that's the general rule. I feel EGM is trying to describe the game as "good", and that falls in their 5.5-7.0 range. Websites are going to give it a bigger score, as is most other magazines.
Great Rumbler
Member
lordmrw said:
I'll never understand how those two numbers could combine to produce a 9. It just makes no sense to me.
Kobun Heat
Member
.LanceStern said:
lordmrw said:
In other words, the 9 is from a "graphic enthusiast", right ?
Any game that have 2 (TWO) in playability is a game that I will stay miles and miles away from.
Does this game realy deserve the 2 ? Or should it be something like 3 or 4 (still bad, but not as bad as 2).
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Sharp said:
Nah, people just know they'll be able to walk in the day it's launched and easily pick one up.
I'm not sure how representative pre-orders are for Wii games. I'm sure Mario Party 8 and Wii Play didn't get monster reserves, but they're the two best selling console games this year. If Wii owners (and there are MANY) just walk by the store shelves on occasion and see something out there they'll buy it. 360/PS3 owners seem more like they would pre-order games just because of the more geeky, know-it-all gaming stereotype that they have.
Madden last year on Wii sold just as good as its PS3 version did, and it went up against the likes of Zelda: TP, Red Steel, Rayman: RR, and a couple other games that outsold it. The PS3 game, on the other hand, was PS3's second best seller and had less competition.
On Guitar Hero, I've said this before, but the Guitar Hero gameplay and audience goes hand-in-hand with what the Wii is all about. It's also $10 cheaper than the other SKUs.
Madden last year on Wii sold just as good as its PS3 version did, and it went up against the likes of Zelda: TP, Red Steel, Rayman: RR, and a couple other games that outsold it. The PS3 game, on the other hand, was PS3's second best seller and had less competition.
On Guitar Hero, I've said this before, but the Guitar Hero gameplay and audience goes hand-in-hand with what the Wii is all about. It's also $10 cheaper than the other SKUs.
Speaking of pre-orders, you all know my crazy obession with Amazon.jp top 100 360 game sales. While it can be completely unreliable for most predictions there are some interesting patterns I've noticed while keeping up with some of the bigger 360 releases and a couple of other games. It may just be possible to predict bigger games a couple of months in advance. Don't know but here goes. It's based on the top 10, how long it stayed in there pre-release, post release, first day, first week sales numbers
Eternal Sonata
- Entered and maintained Top 10, 1. 5 months prior to release - first day sales ~30,000.
- post-release Top 10, 1.5 days - 1st week sales ~45, 000 - 2nd week - did not chart
Forza Motorsport 2
-Entered and maintained top 10 - ~2 days prior to release - first day sales - ~ 11k
- post release Top 10 - 0.01 days (dropped off immediately)- 1st week sales ~12k(?)
Dead Rising(post budget price)
- Maintained Top 40 , 3 weeks - charted one week in MC
Oblivion - Entered and maintained top 15, 2.5 months prior to release - first day sales ~35k
There seems to be a pretty solid correlation between the length of time games were in top spots on pre-order(obviously) but also a correlation between how fast they drop out of their top spots post-release and the amount of sales a game racks up between its first day and the end of the week.
Looking at Oblivion , unlike all of those other 360 games, it's currently still maintaining its top 10 status 4 days after its release.
If this theory is to be correct, than I predict Oblivion to have the largest first week since BD.
Eternal Sonata
- Entered and maintained Top 10, 1. 5 months prior to release - first day sales ~30,000.
- post-release Top 10, 1.5 days - 1st week sales ~45, 000 - 2nd week - did not chart
Forza Motorsport 2
-Entered and maintained top 10 - ~2 days prior to release - first day sales - ~ 11k
- post release Top 10 - 0.01 days (dropped off immediately)- 1st week sales ~12k(?)
Dead Rising(post budget price)
- Maintained Top 40 , 3 weeks - charted one week in MC
Oblivion - Entered and maintained top 15, 2.5 months prior to release - first day sales ~35k
There seems to be a pretty solid correlation between the length of time games were in top spots on pre-order(obviously) but also a correlation between how fast they drop out of their top spots post-release and the amount of sales a game racks up between its first day and the end of the week.
Looking at Oblivion , unlike all of those other 360 games, it's currently still maintaining its top 10 status 4 days after its release.
If this theory is to be correct, than I predict Oblivion to have the largest first week since BD.
Moor-Angol
Banned
and Minna5 is slowly going down from top25...
pswii60 said:
Yeah the Amazon deal doesn't work as great for PS3 and Wii because of the largest user base. But because of the 360's tiny user base Amazon probably represents a significant sample of the sales.
For example MNG never actually surpassed Oblivion on Amazon, but it sold much more in reality.
Moor-Angol
Banned
sphinx said:
It's not totally worthless, sometime it's helpfull for understanding how the market is going.
If a title quickly drops day after day, it means sales are going down, the only big difference is about preorders, sometimes we saw many games that never entered in top25 but has some decent sales, on the other hand, sometimes we saw games for long time in the highest places but they sold not so much.
Last week we had Famitsu top100 for first half 2007 and many people was surprised to see some DS games, but if you look at amazon.jp, you will see them constantly in the chart (Kanji Training from IE Institute, TOEIC Test, just to say 2 titles).
So, as i said before, it's not totally worthless and not totally helpfull, you only have to interpret data in the correct way.
@ Jimbo: Oblivion currently is above MnG5, but you know how long time MnG5 has stayed in top25 before launch? Many, many, many weeks.
That's the difference.
Don't focus on positions just considering some days or a few weeks, you must increase the range of weeks to have a better analysis.
Another thing to keep an eye on is used games: after release days, if you see many people selling the game, this means sales will drop cause people are buying 2nd hand copies.
Hope i gave some hints about how to understand in a better way amazon.jp top100 chart
Moor-Angol
Banned
sphinx said:
uhm...
usually amazon.jp is good for preorders, so after release it gets hard to understand how much hype the game has...
but you can find some hints:
take a look at Zelda PH, still in top25, and as we can see, it's still selling very good. of course it dropped after the release, but IIRC it never went down to 20th place.
take a look at Taiko no Tatsujin DS, as Shinobi blog reported, seems like it's sold-out, in fact you can see it in a very high position and if you notice, people who are selling the game put a very high price, typical for hard-to-find games.
MnG5 let me feel a situation like DQ:S, very good sales on first week, but then it dropped day after day down to the chart.
Last theory could be : MnG5 is going to saturation point, we don't have to forget there are only 1mln PS3 sold in Japan, so 300-350k for LTD should be a good result, but it will not probably have long legs as we could have expected.
Minna no Golf is a franchise always had long legs, especially for budget releases, but probably PS2 small userbase will not help sales so much.