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Media Create Sales Jan 22 - 28
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Kurosaki Ichigo
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Rather than shrinking it was a collateral effect of having just 2 platforms doing good (PS2 & GBA from 2001 to 2004). Same in 1999 with PSX and GB slowing just like PS2 & GBA did in the end.ethelred said:
But now in 2005 and 2006, there were 3 active platforms, DS, PSP and PS2...and two more later in 2006 (Wii and PS3). Of course DS has expanded the market in 2006, if not it would be around the other numbers.
Now 2007 looks good for the japanese industry, DS continues its way to be the top platform ever, PSP far better second-place console than usual, and in handheld market were there was no second-place last time. PS2 slowing and probably dying this year although it'll help to cover lower than expected PS3 sales, and then 'factor Wii' that can become a new hit like DS or at least a PS2-type console. 15m for the year looks very reasonable to me
Kurosaki Ichigo said:Rather than shrinking it was a collateral effect of having just 2 platforms doing good (PS2 & GBA from 2001 to 2004). Same in 1999 with PSX and GB slowing just like PS2 & GBA did in the end.
But now in 2005 and 2006, there were 3 active platforms, DS, PSP and PS2...and two more later in 2006 (Wii and PS3). Of course DS has expanded the market in 2006, if not it would be around the other numbers.
Now 2007 looks good for the japanese industry, DS continues its way to be the top platform ever, PSP far better second-place console than usual, and in handheld market were there was no second-place last time. PS2 slowing and probably dying this year although it'll help to cover lower than expected PS3 sales, and then 'factor Wii' that can become a new hit like DS or at least a PS2-type console. 15m for the year looks very reasonable to me
Yes, exactly my point. It's a huge expansion for the hardware market that isn't all going to Nintendo, and it's continuing to expand. 2005 bucked a real trend, 2006 continued it, and 2007 should continue it even further. We're seeing real growth here, and that's a very good thing.
I don't think the # of consoles or platforms on the market has much to do with it.
If you look at the hardware numbers.
2001-2004 saw a decline of HW sold, which is counterintuitive to what we should expect given both the PS2 and GBA were growing and maturing during those 4 years and should see a real increase in absolute sales in a healthy market.
It's not good news when you have 2 ubiquitous platforms maturing in their product lifecyles and yet have the industry still register yoy declines in HW sold. That's the key point.
If you look at the hardware numbers.
2001-2004 saw a decline of HW sold, which is counterintuitive to what we should expect given both the PS2 and GBA were growing and maturing during those 4 years and should see a real increase in absolute sales in a healthy market.
It's not good news when you have 2 ubiquitous platforms maturing in their product lifecyles and yet have the industry still register yoy declines in HW sold. That's the key point.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Terrell said:
Good point, the problem with Sega is that they didn't really know what they were doing with those risks they were taking. Nintendo knows exactly what they are doing, from the presentation to the marketing and price point, everything is very well executed to reach their objective.
In many ways I think Nintendo looks at that Sega as they did at Atari, they paid a lot of attention to what's happened and planned out a strategy to avoid their fate. And much like the NES was with the Atari 2600, the Wii was built with a lot of the Dreamcast's business flaws in mind.
gamergirly
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Azelover said:
They did what they had to do to survive....and then thrive
BrodiemanTTR
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AniHawk said:
:lol :lol :lol
It is supposed to be funny
At least with Lapsed we have a few properly written arguments
You can not deny that Nintendo has lost customers year after year since the NES and that this "blue ocean" strategy would have not come if they had an increasing total number of consoles like MS or Sony
At least with Lapsed we have a few properly written arguments
You can not deny that Nintendo has lost customers year after year since the NES and that this "blue ocean" strategy would have not come if they had an increasing total number of consoles like MS or Sony
JoshuaJSlone
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It's hard to say anything with certainty about what could have been. Their new strategy first became apparent in the very healthy portable market they'd been dominating for 15 years.wazoo said:
wazoo said:
yup looks like a typical disruptive marketing strategy with a following success..
look at Apple and Ipod.. they had big problems in their computer business.. then they launched the Ipod and it disrupted the portable music player completely becoming No.1.. without apples struggle in the computer business you wouldnt have seen such a thing
LanceStern said:
Not quite sure where those hardware figures come from (Famitsu presumably), a more accurate set (including GB, PocketStation, late SNES, Saturn etc) from CESA would be:
1996: 10.03m
1997: 11.76m
1998: 10.33m
1999: 13.62m
2000: 10.30m
2001: 11.86m
2002: 10.65m
2003: 8.62m
2004: 9.02m
2005: 10.45m
2006: 14.20m
The 8.5 million from DS alone in 2006 is almost enough to beat 2003's low!
PkunkFury said:He's also a Star Control II fan, and we can't have too many of those
which by the way, means he's not a hopeless nintendo fan, since he appreciates killer games that have never been near a Nintendo system
I am also a fan of Star Control & Star Control II. Nice id, Pkunk
It is taken from the game, right ? Don't forget Pirates!, Secret of Monkey Island series, King Quest series.MrPing1000
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cvxfreak said:
It's a loophole, quick to the batmobile!
I haven't followed the thread this week - have we gotten any first day sales and any big releases this last week? Any speculation or anything on how GTA:SA will do in it's second week. How did Vice City do?
And I assume that a shortage will put all of the 4 topmost DS games on this weeks list out of the Top 10 :/ What a shame.
And I assume that a shortage will put all of the 4 topmost DS games on this weeks list out of the Top 10 :/ What a shame.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Just Harvest Moon DS this week, 50k sold first day off a 100k shipment.Bo130 said:
Just looked at Vice City and I was impresssed...It sold 223,933 units first week. And 65,575 in the 2nd week to end around 410k. Looks SA will follow closely.
Btw, just like last week, gamefront gives some Famitsu numbers up to 14th January this time, some are interesting so here they go:
- Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops (PSP, Konami): 268.424 St.
- Jump Ultimate Stars (NDS, Nintendo): 624.846 St.
- Monster Hunter Portable ~PSP The Best~ (PSP, Capcom): 194.226 St.
- Zelda: The Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo): 353.492 St.
- Mario Kart DS (NDS, Nintendo): 1.868.191 St.
- Seiken Densetsu 4 [Dawn of Mana] (PS2, Square Enix): 277.193 St.
- Chocobo to Mahou no Ehon [Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Tales] (NDS, Square Enix): 113.774 St.
Good for Chocobo, Seiken Densetsu 4 has a 60% price drop on Amazon :lol and Monster Hunter Portable is going to end very near 1m if it doesn't reach it.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Oh, some other interesting news on gamefront...
Rocket Company announces Katei no Igaku for DS of course, its about health and such, they aim to sell 100.000 copies.
On Famitsu Most Wanted Charts, DQIX is the new #1, and well, there are 7 PS3 games on the top20. If you want to see it go to gamefront.
Rocket Company announces Katei no Igaku for DS of course, its about health and such, they aim to sell 100.000 copies.
On Famitsu Most Wanted Charts, DQIX is the new #1, and well, there are 7 PS3 games on the top20. If you want to see it go to gamefront.
Katana_Strikes
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
2 of which are Monster Hunter 3.
Cosmonaut X
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Cosmonaut X
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Roders5 said:
Fair enough
Souldriver
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Yes, but being funny doesn't justify ignoring rules from the mods.Roders5 said:
Allthough "funny" users get away with it frequently at gaf.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Katana_Strikes said:
I didn't notice but I suppose its Devil May Cry 4, it has been crawling into top20 a few times before.SovanJedi said:
EDIT: #17 this week is Monster Hunter which was #16 last week
#18 isn't Virtua Fighter 5 because VF5 was #18 last week and this week it says the title was #25 last week so I suppose its Devil May Cry 4.
http://www.gfdata.de/archiv01-2007-gamefront/januar-04.html
I think its PS2 (there is one coming for sure) but they always list it as DS so I don't know anymore :lolBusaiku said:
Forgotten Ancient
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Martoo said:
I think you mean "annals", but this is GAF so who knows? :lol
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
This news is about 1 week old... (As they wrote: "28.01.07 - Hier sind Gesamtverkaufszahlen einiger Spiele von der Famitsu. Sie zeigen, wie oft sich ein Titel in Japan seit seiner Markteinführung bis zum 14.01.07 verkauft hat.") - It's probably a copy&paste-mistake!
New Famitsu data (up to 01/21) is out since friday: klick
Kurosaki Ichigo
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I'm sure its today's post because they did the same last week but with numbers ending 7th January but now seeing your web I realize the numbers they give were in Famitsu Top30 (I thought they were giving numbers from titles lower than Top30) so yeah its a repost of old data. I wonder if they caught me last week as well...verplant said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5436949&postcount=1156
/me checks your web....and yes, they got me twice! Now I feel stupid :lol
AdmiralViscen
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So is CESA imaginary or what?
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AdmiralViscen said:So is CESA imaginary or what?
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No.
http://report.cesa.or.jp/
FYI, CESA hasn't actually published the 2007 CESA White Papers yet. 2006 was published in July, so how could ioi gain a complete CESA 2006 figure? Simple, he passed off VGCharts content under the CESA monicker and hoped no one would notice.