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[SamBishop]

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, Nintendo!

 

[PantherLotus]

Hey the PS3 and Wii have the same number of games in the top 30.

 

[onken]

eff you Japan , Bayo need legs , buy more Bayonetta.


and seriously SEGA need to bring back Virtua Striker , look how WE11 and Inazuma Eleven doing , it's clear that there is huge market for football games ( all kind sim , fantasy , strategy ) in Japan now.

Seems like they just have a boner for WE, FIFA sells like shit. In any rate, do you really trust Sega in this day and age to put as much effort into a football game as Konami/EA do?

 

[Doubledex]

If Sony keeps treating them like shit, they should.

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[AniHawk]

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I thought there were some rumblings of disappointed Insomniac employees since Resistance 2 fell by the wayside while Sony treated Guerrilla like their favorite child. It's the Internets and things are often incorrect but it was one of the things I read and wouldn't doubt being true. Ratchet & Clank has similarly fallen by the wayside both years a big retail release came out in favor of the Naughty Dog game. Although every year an Insomniac game comes out alongside a ND game, Sony promotes the ND game more. This year the results seemed way more lopsided than usual.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I thought there were some rumblings of disappointed Insomniac employees since Resistance 2 fell by the wayside while Sony treated Guerrilla like their favorite child. It's the Internets and things are often incorrect but it was one of the things I read and wouldn't doubt being true. Ratchet & Clank has similarly fallen by the wayside both years a big retail release came out in favor of the Naughty Dog game. Although every year an Insomniac game comes out alongside a ND game, Sony promotes the ND game more. This year the results seemed way more lopsided than usual.

Insomniac shrunk their potential for Ratchet sales when they moved it from a T-demographic to a more family-oriented audience. In terms of violence and humour, the Future series has been quite a bit more tame than the PS2 titles, and we all know that despite the better gameplay, the more colorful imagery and more cartoony style can certainly make a game go unnoticed by the average gamer these days. R2 was marketed heavily by SCEA for an Insomniac title and it's more than likely that bad word of mouth hurt the sales far more than internet rumours about the two companies being at odds.

 

[AranhaHunter]

I thought there were some rumblings of disappointed Insomniac employees since Resistance 2 fell by the wayside while Sony treated Guerrilla like their favorite child. It's the Internets and things are often incorrect but it was one of the things I read and wouldn't doubt being true. Ratchet & Clank has similarly fallen by the wayside both years a big retail release came out in favor of the Naughty Dog game. Although every year an Insomniac game comes out alongside a ND game, Sony promotes the ND game more. This year the results seemed way more lopsided than usual.

ND and GG are 1st party to Sony, Insomniac is an independent 3rd party, Sony should correctly treat GG and ND better than Insomniac, Insomniac had their chance but they wanted to stay independent, that comes with the territory. I'm sure EA, Activision, Ubi, etc would have no problem publishing their games if they choose to go MP.

 

[[Nintex]]

Somehow this graph reminds me of this scene:

Ya know, shaped like a staircase and all

 

[AniHawk]

Insomniac shrunk their potential for Ratchet sales when they moved it from a T-demographic to a more family-oriented audience. In terms of violence and humour, the Future series has been quite a bit more tame than the PS2 titles, and we all know that despite the better gameplay, the more colorful imagery and more cartoony style can certainly make a game go unnoticed by the average gamer these days. R2 was marketed heavily by SCEA for an Insomniac title and it's more than likely that bad word of mouth hurt the sales far more than internet rumours about the two companies being at odds.

I don't think Ratchet becoming tamer had anything to do with the series going from selling a million copies with each iteration to barely breaking half that. And look at how far Japanese sales have fallen.

ND and GG are 1st party to Sony, Insomniac is an independent 3rd party, Sony should correctly treat GG and ND better than Insomniac, Insomniac had their chance but they wanted to stay independent, that comes with the territory. I'm sure EA, Activision, Ubi, etc would have no problem publishing their games if they choose to go MP.

I think it comes down to Sony deciding which franchises are worth saving to them. They backed and still back Media Molecule like crazy despite those guys being third party (unless I missed something). It's kinda like what UbiSoft did when it came to saving Prince of Persia or Beyond Good & Evil. Although I'm not sure you can call what they did to PoP saving it.

 

[onken]

I thought there were some rumblings of disappointed Insomniac employees since Resistance 2 fell by the wayside while Sony treated Guerrilla like their favorite child. It's the Internets and things are often incorrect but it was one of the things I read and wouldn't doubt being true. Ratchet & Clank has similarly fallen by the wayside both years a big retail release came out in favor of the Naughty Dog game. Although every year an Insomniac game comes out alongside a ND game, Sony promotes the ND game more. This year the results seemed way more lopsided than usual.

3rd or 1st party aside, when it comes to sales potential Killzone vs. Resistance 2 and Uncharted 2 vs. Ratchet & Clank ain't much of a choice.

 

[Stumpokapow]

3rd or 1st party aside, when it comes to sales potential Killzone vs. Resistance 2 and Uncharted 2 vs. Ratchet & Clank ain't much of a choice.

Killzone 2 is just shy of a million in the US. Resistance 2 is over two thirds of a million. Based on production schedules and team sizes, which do you think was a more profitable endeavor in America?

(Yes, yes, worldwide sales, but we're talking about how Sony positioned Resistance 2 versus how they positioned Killzone 2 in America, and what the payoff was)

 

[obonicus]

I thought there were some rumblings of disappointed Insomniac employees since Resistance 2 fell by the wayside while Sony treated Guerrilla like their favorite child.

Resistance 2 got a holiday release, KZ2 got pushed into March. It seems as if R2 came out on top in this exchange, KZ2 beta notwithstanding.

 

[Frillen]

Somehow this graph reminds me of this scene:

Ya know, shaped like a staircase and all

:lol :lol

 

[ZoddGutts]

Resistance 2 had alot of TV ads even had those crazy Japanese TV ads in Japan. And about Ratchet & Clank well nobody gives a fuck about that franchised anymore, even if their still good games it's gotten stale, people have lost interest in that series.

 

[pseudocaesar]

Resistance is good for one more, and thats to finish the story, just go back to the first game in style. Ratchet needs to end. ND no longer make Jak, or at least took a break, and we got Uncharted. Sucker Punch took a break from Sly, and we got inFamous. Both amazing games, lets see what Insomniac can do with a new IP.

But anyway, Japan centric... Wii and PS3 neck and neck, I wonder if Wii will dominate enough with NSMB to offset the obvious surge of PS3 by FFXIII. Coming to the thick of it, its a dead heat.

 

[onken]

Killzone 2 is just shy of a million in the US. Resistance 2 is over two thirds of a million. Based on production schedules and team sizes, which do you think was a more profitable endeavor in America?

(Yes, yes, worldwide sales, but we're talking about how Sony positioned Resistance 2 versus how they positioned Killzone 2 in America, and what the payoff was)

On paper, K2 had much bigger potential. The fact it ended up with disappointing sales is irrelevant.

Resistance is good for one more, and thats to finish the story, just go back to the first game in style. Ratchet needs to end. ND no longer make Jak, or at least took a break, and we got Uncharted. Sucker Punch took a break from Sly, and we got inFamous. Both amazing games, lets see what Insomniac can do with a new IP.
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I agree. R&C has had its day, for better or worse. Time to move on, Insomniac.

 

[Grampasso]

One can only hope that New Super Mario Bros. Wii is still in the top 30 three years after it's release.

Will this bump (46-26) be due to DSiLL or Wii title anticipation? I hope for the latter

 

[donny2112]

Preparations underway.

I think it has more to do with DSiLL's launch, and the DSi not really dropping. One of those was probably new-ish users, and NSMB is the game to get for a new DS buyers.

 

[schuelma]

Where is the famitsu top 30?

 

[Stumpokapow]

Where is the famitsu top 30?

Desperate to see just how badly Crystal Bearers bombed?

 

[schuelma]

Desperate to see just how badly Crystal Bearers bombed?

nope, just like having it for completeness sake.

 

[JonnyBrad]

I might have missed it but are there any ideas of preorders/interest in NSMB Wii?

 

[schuelma]

I might have missed it but are there any ideas of preorders/interest in NSMB Wii?

Comgnet, an internet retailer, is showing very strong preorder numbers- significantly outpacing NSMB DS.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Where is the famitsu top 30?

Since they come a bit sooner, donny now puts them at the end of the thread for the week they actually match up with.

 

[Spiegel]

Comgnet, an internet retailer, is showing very strong preorder numbers- significantly outpacing NSMB DS.

Are you sure?

15 days to release:
New Super Mario Bros. - 160pt
New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 120pt

7 days to release:
New Super Mario Bros. - ?
New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 465pt

Release date:
New Super Mario Bros. - 688pt
New Super Mario Bros. Wii - ?

I mean, NSMB Wii will probably end higher but unless I missed something we don't have data from 7 days to release for NSMB DS

 

[schuelma]

Are you sure?



I mean, NSMB Wii will probably end higher but unless I missed something we don't have data from 7 days to release for NSMB DS

Yup. NSMB DS 7 days to release- 289 preorders. NSMB Wii- 465

 

[duckroll]

Wow, next week is a massive release week. NSMB Wii, Sengoku Musou 3, PokePark, Phantasy Star Portable 2, Gundam vs Gundam Next, Tokimeki Memorial 4, Assassin's Creed 2, Little Big Planet Portable.

Anyone want to take a stab at predictions first? I'm probably going to hold back until the weekend at least before I forecast.

 

[schuelma]

Wow, next week is a massive release week. NSMB Wii, Sengoku Musou 3, PokePark, Phantasy Star Portable 2, Gundam vs Gundam Next, Tokimeki Memorial 4, Assassin's Creed 2, Little Big Planet Portable.

Anyone want to take a stab at predictions first? I'm probably going to hold back until the weekend at least before I forecast.

Yeah its really insane. I'm not going to go first, I know that!

 

[Fafalada]

I thought there were some rumblings of disappointed Insomniac employees since Resistance 2 fell by the wayside while Sony treated Guerrilla like their favorite child.

I've no idea what kind of marketing budgets the titles received, but it seems pretty obvious KZ2 was kicked out of holiday slot to make room for R2, so I doubt it was as onesided as that.
But we don't have a time machine to see what would be the result of reversing marketing budgets and respective time slots (aside for obvious impact on game polish).

 

[RurouniZel]

Lunar tanked.

Well hopefully 12,000 was enough for an EB remake...

 

[Bizzyb]

I think the fact that there are no weapons/armor to collect or stats to upgrade is what ultimately hurt Crystal Bearers.

 

[donny2112]

Here's the Top 10 third-party console games in Japan YTD from my Famitsu database through Nov. 15.

1. WII MH3 - 940K / NEW
2. PS3 Yakuza 3 - 499K / NEW
3. PS3 RE5 - 482K / NEW
4. WII Taiko Wii - 353K / 604K
5. PS3 ToV - 312K / NEW
6. PS3 WE 2010 - 283K / NEW
7. WII MHG - 236K / NEW
8. PS3 Mosou Orochi Z - 218K / NEW
9. PS3 Gundam Senki - 210K / NEW
10. 360 Star Ocean 4 - 209K / NEW

What can we tell from this? Third-parties are pretty much in the crapper on consoles in Japan.

Here's the Top 10 first-party console games in Japan YTD from my Famitsu database through Nov. 15.

1. WII WSR - 1.3m / NEW
2. WII WF+ - 852K / NEW
3. WII Wii Fit - 571K / 3.5m
4. WII Mario Kart Wii - 353K / 2.4m
5. WII Animal Crossing - 287K / 1.2m
6. WII Wii Sports - 222K / 3.5m
7. WII Mario Tennis GC - 208K / NEW
8. PS3 WKC - 136K / 339K
9. PS3 Demon's Souls - 135K / NEW
10. WII Pikmin 2 - 133K / NEW

And first-parties aren't doing too good, either.

 

[Oxx]

Is Tomodachi Collection going to hit two million by the end of the year?

 

[Rolf NB]

I agree. R&C has had its day, for better or worse. Time to move on, Insomniac.

Can't say I agree, but if they do stop, the series would at least end on a high note.

 

[donny2112]

Is Tomodachi Collection going to hit two million by the end of the year?

*shakes Magic 8 Ball*

"All signs point to Yes."

 

[Rolf NB]

Here's the Top 10 third-party console games in Japan YTD from my Famitsu database through Nov. 15.

<...>

Can you do a SUM(units),COUNT(*) GROUP BY system?

 

[donny2112]

Can you do a SUM(units),COUNT(*) GROUP BY system?

Sure. Just third-parties, YTD through Nov. 15. All systems this time, though.

1. NDS - 10.9m (206)
2. PSP - 5.7m (155)
3. PS3 - 4.0m (82)
4. WII - 2.5m (50) (MH3, MHG, and Taiko Wii are ~60% of the third-party YTD for Wii)
5. PS2 - 2.3m (106)
6. 360 - 1.3m (78)

 

[Rolf NB]

That was quick, thanks!

 

[Cygnus X-1]

Desperate to see just how badly Crystal Bearers bombed?

If this will prevent Square making any further spin-off FF for the Wii, then I'm glad it bombed.

Sure. Just third-parties, YTD through Nov. 15. All systems this time, though.

1. NDS - 10.9m (206)
2. PSP - 5.7m (155)
3. PS3 - 4.0m (82)
4. WII - 2.5m (50) (MH3, MHG, and Taiko Wii are ~60% of the third-party YTD for Wii)
5. PS2 - 2.3m (106)
6. 360 - 1.3m (78)

Impressed to see how many games were developed for PSP. Third parties would make everything to keep avoiding Nintendo's systems, if they were able to. Of course this is not possible with the DS, but I'm sure that they're not so happy anyway.

 

[Die Squirrel Die]

Persona 3 Portable is hanging up there nicely for the third iteration of P3.

Weird to see L4D2 up there.

I wonder what'll come first Persona 2 PSP, Persona 4 PSP or Persona 5 PSP?

 

[Chris1964]

Anyone want to take a stab at predictions first? I'm probably going to hold back until the weekend at least before I forecast.

Predictions begin after we have first day sales and before the famitsu leak, so they that they are not mixed with the actual sales. Kurosaki must also post the games we will predict for.

 

[Spiegel]

Yup. NSMB DS 7 days to release- 289 preorders. NSMB Wii- 465

Oh, nice.

I still think the game will debut a bit lower than the ds version though.
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Sure. Just third-parties, YTD through Nov. 15. All systems this time, though.

1. NDS - 10.9m (206)
2. PSP - 5.7m (155)
3. PS3 - 4.0m (82)
4. WII - 2.5m (50) (MH3, MHG, and Taiko Wii are ~60% of the third-party YTD for Wii)
5. PS2 - 2.3m (106)
6. 360 - 1.3m (78)

That's quite surprising. I thought ds would be higher than that with DQ selling 4 million+

PSP being nº1 next year for third parties is not out of the question.

 

[Chris1964]

PSP being nº1 next year for third parties is not out of the question.

Dragon Quest VI says no to that.

 

[schuelma]

Oh, nice.

I still think the game will debut a bit lower than the ds version though.

We'll see, but I'm starting to think that is unlikely. Comgnet has its limitations, but its pretty reliable at judging pre release interest and right now NSMB Wii is off the charts compared to most if not all Nintendo releases. Plus, common sense (huge Nintendo nostalgia marketing push, releasing in prime holiday season, emphasis on local multiplayer) tells me it will be massive.

 

[jett]

I thought there were some rumblings of disappointed Insomniac employees since Resistance 2 fell by the wayside while Sony treated Guerrilla like their favorite child. It's the Internets and things are often incorrect but it was one of the things I read and wouldn't doubt being true. Ratchet & Clank has similarly fallen by the wayside both years a big retail release came out in favor of the Naughty Dog game. Although every year an Insomniac game comes out alongside a ND game, Sony promotes the ND game more. This year the results seemed way more lopsided than usual.

I thought you were being sarcastic with that comment. Sony gave R2 full-attention and a much bigger push than KZ2 at E2 2008. A virtually finished KZ2 was delayed to 2009 so that R2 could have the holiday season all to itself, despite Sony having to share revenue with Insomniac. What more could they have wanted? *


*also despite KZ2 being the much better game than R2. Actually sucks for Guerrilla that they got shortchanged. If the game had been released during Christmas it would've had much higher sales I'm sure.

 

[jj984jj]

Dragon Quest VI says no to that.

It depends on when they launch MHP3.

 

[schuelma]

Dragon Quest VI says no to that.

Of course if PSP gets MH3 portable that would probably be the top 3rd party game of the year.

 

[Chris1964]

I'm talking about the games we know that will come out for sure. But yes if MHP3 comes out this year there is a very good possibility.

 

[donny2112]

That's quite surprising. I thought ds would be higher than that with DQ selling 4 million+

The first half of the year was really barren for DS. Through mid-year, the top DS third-party game was Kingdom Hearts at #4 behind PSP MHP2G (BEST), PS3 Yakuza 3, and PS3 RE5.

PSP being nº1 next year for third parties is not out of the question.

If MHP3 comes out and DS releases are like this year (excluding DQIX), I'd say that's likely.

 

[Chris1964]

Next week releases (03/12/09) - HUGE week

xx . [NDS] Cross Treasures (Square Enix)
xx . [NDS] Powerful Pro-Kun Pocket 12 (Konami)
xx . [NDS] Metal Fight Beyblade: Bakutan Cyber Pegasus (Hudson)
xx . [NDS] Yggdra Unison: Holy Sword War Tales (Atlus Co.)
xx . [NDS] Kaijuu Busters (Namco Bandai)
xx . [NDS] Jinsei Game DS 2 (Takara Tomy)
xx . [NDS] Stitch! Ohana to Rhythm de Daibouken (Disney Interactive)
xx . [NDS] Shin Noukyo Iku (Marvelous Entertainment)
xx . [NDS] Honki de Manabu: LEC de Goukakuru - DS Kikenbutsu Toriatsukaimono Otsushu 4-Rui (Square Enix)
xx . [NDS] Honki de Manabu: LEC de Goukakuru - DS Koumuinshiken Suumato Shori (Square Enix)
xx . [NDS] Relaxuma Rhythm: Mattari Kibun de Da Run Run Run (Rocket Company)
xx . [NDS] Kamo no Hashikamo. Aimai Seikatsu no Susume (ASCII Media Works)
xx . [NDS] Signal (D3 Publisher)
xx . [NDS] Up (E-Frontier)
xx . [NDS] Pretty Rhythm Collection (Santa Entertainment)

xx . [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 (Sega)
xx . [PSP] Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam Vs. Gundam Next Plus (Namco Bandai)
xx . [PSP] Tokimeki Memorial 4 (Konami)
xx . [PSP] LittleBigPlanet Portable (SCE)
xx . [PSP] Devil Kings: Battle Heroes (PSP the Best) (Capcom)
xx . [PSP] Fate/Unlimited Codes Portable (PSP the Best) (Capcom)
xx . [PSP] Star Ocean: First Departure (Ultimate Hits) (Square Enix)
xx . [PSP] Star Ocean 2: Second Evolution (Ultimate Hits) (Square Enix)
xx . [PSP] Code Gears: Lelouch of the Rebellion - Lost Colors (PSP the Best) (Namco Bandai)
xx . [PSP] Ys: The Ark of Napishtim (Konami the Best) (Konami)

xx . [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo)
xx . [WII] Samurai Warriors 3 (Koei)
xx . [WII] Kamen Rider: Climax Heroes W (Namco Bandai)
xx . [WII] Isometric & Karate Exercise: Wii de Kotsuban Fitness (IE Institute)
xx . [WII] Takumi Restaurant wa Daihanjou! (Dorart)
xx . [WII] Tokyo Friend Pack II Ketteiban: Minna de Chousen! Taikan Attraction (Spike)
xx . [WII] Up (E-Frontier)
xx . [WII] Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors (Ultimate Hits) (Square Enix)
xx . [WII] Resident Evil (Best Price!) (Capcom)
xx . [WII] Resident Evil 0 (Best Price!) (Capcom)
xx . [WII] PokePark Wii: Picachu's Great Adventure (Pokemon Co.) - 05/12/09

xx . [PS3] Assassin's Creed II (Ubisoft)
xx . [PS3] Yakuza 3 (PlayStation 3 the Best) (Sega)
xx . [PS3] Fallout 3: Game of the Year Edition (Bethesda Softworks)
xx . [PS3] Resistance: Fall of Man (PlayStation 3 the Best Reprint) (SCE)
xx . [PS3] Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (PlayStation 3 the Best Reprint) (SCE)
xx . [PS3] Folklore (PlayStation 3 the Best Reprint) (SCE)

xx . [360] Assassin's Creed II (Ubisoft)
xx . [360] Fallout 3: Game of the Year Edition (Bethesda Softworks)