Media Create Sales Numbers: 1/10-1/16: PSP > DS
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KeithFranklin
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Last years numbers for comparison
December 29, 2003 - January 4, 2004 - First week of 2004
PlayStation 2 - 244,800
Game Boy Advance SP - 242,800
GameCube - 164,500
Game Boy Advance - 33,700
Xbox - 4,300
PSone - 1,400
Wonder Swan Crystal - 660
January 5 - January 11, 2004
PlayStation 2 - 87,286
Game Boy Advance SP - 69,412
GameCube - 36,906
Game Boy Advance - 12,057
Xbox - 1,950
PSone - 1,033
Wonder Swan Crystal - 474
January 12 - January 18, 2004
PlayStation 2 - 60,399
Game Boy Advance SP - 41,357
GameCube - 19,607
Game Boy Advance - 7,982
Xbox - 1,249
PSone - 631
Wonder Swan Crystal - 353
December 29, 2003 - January 4, 2004 - First week of 2004
PlayStation 2 - 244,800
Game Boy Advance SP - 242,800
GameCube - 164,500
Game Boy Advance - 33,700
Xbox - 4,300
PSone - 1,400
Wonder Swan Crystal - 660
January 5 - January 11, 2004
PlayStation 2 - 87,286
Game Boy Advance SP - 69,412
GameCube - 36,906
Game Boy Advance - 12,057
Xbox - 1,950
PSone - 1,033
Wonder Swan Crystal - 474
January 12 - January 18, 2004
PlayStation 2 - 60,399
Game Boy Advance SP - 41,357
GameCube - 19,607
Game Boy Advance - 7,982
Xbox - 1,249
PSone - 631
Wonder Swan Crystal - 353
soundwave05
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EDIT: Whoops looking at the wrong week there. Nintendo's portable sales overall are a bit down, but not by a huge margin.
JackFrost2012
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Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
the momentum? oh wait...
Monk said:
As a PSP owner I gotta say that's not really true. In terms of hardware, audio quality and whatnot the PSP is an "excellent" mp3 player, but it just isn't practical as a mp3 only player in terms of size, cost and space. Mine you, I do use my PSP to play mp3s, but only because I'm taking it out of the house anyway so I might as well kill two birds with one stone. But to imply that the PSP is selling on mp3 playback is pretty weak, instead I see the PSP as a great end-all solution to a portable media center. Cutting edge games, portable video, portable music, portable images. MP3 is hardly the PSP's main attraction because it's really the least practical of all the features it has.
soundwave05
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The problem with Nintendo's strategy is this ... $150 is A LOT of money for "non-gamers" to spend on a game machine. To them that's almost an obscene amount of money to spend on something like a video game player.
Your grandma, girlfriend, parents, etc. may find the DS easier to play with games like Nintendogs, but to them spending $150 is a huge amount. Even $99 is a lot. And then you have to explain to them that the system doesn't come with a full game either, so that's another $50 -- that would all be common sense to a gamer, but for these "non-gamer" types, stuff like this makes them roll their eyes.
I dunno. I think Nintendo's noble for trying to get these people involved, but honestly you gotta wonder if they'd just be better off spending $20 on one of those joysticks with built-in Pac-Man or something.
Right now I bet DS buyers are mostly just Nintendo fans or even high-end shoppers, not those looking for less complicated games.
Your grandma, girlfriend, parents, etc. may find the DS easier to play with games like Nintendogs, but to them spending $150 is a huge amount. Even $99 is a lot. And then you have to explain to them that the system doesn't come with a full game either, so that's another $50 -- that would all be common sense to a gamer, but for these "non-gamer" types, stuff like this makes them roll their eyes.
I dunno. I think Nintendo's noble for trying to get these people involved, but honestly you gotta wonder if they'd just be better off spending $20 on one of those joysticks with built-in Pac-Man or something.
Right now I bet DS buyers are mostly just Nintendo fans or even high-end shoppers, not those looking for less complicated games.
Junior MemberSpeevy said:
GAFfers love to watch other GAFfers eat crow, regardless of their "starting side". Perhaps you've somehow missed how some DS fans have been lording over the Japan weekly sales numbers up to this point, calling people crazy, idiots or fools for even suggesting that PSP might have a chance of outselling DS at some point, nevermind the GBA?kaching said:Junior Member
I think I have noticed that. Crow, anyone?
Spiritreaver
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Actually, I am quite surprised by the GBA numbers, I was thinking it wouldn't drop so quickly, so soon, but eh that's not the case obviously. I wonder if the same thing is happening over here in the states, I'd say no, given the latest slew of holiday sales, but these numbers could echo what'll happen to it when the PSP launches here. It'll be interesting seeing how it does throughout the year in Japan though.
duckroll said:
Uh, as someone already pointed out, there's a big gap of numbers to the amount of PSPs sold and the number of software sold this week. Unless people bought the games before they had a unit, it's still a fair assumption, and quite probably.
200 bucks for that screen, the ability to play mp3's, videos, and all the other transferrable data onto it is a great deal.
Monk said:
And Dynasty Warriors at #10 sold 17,070. Not every PSP owner will want to get Dynasty Warriors or Minna no Golf. I myself don't have either of them. Considering sales exist outside of the #10, once you count Ridge Racers and all the other PSP games out right now (it probably goes all the way down past #30) you'll most definitely have a number above 64k.
So here's the question: how long will the PSP have to outsell the DS to catch up to it in Japan?
Worldwide?
So far EVERYTHING I predicted has come to pass. PSP weekly sales surpassed the DS in early 05... but it'll take most of 2005, if not more, for it to catch the DS in terms of installed base.
Worldwide?
So far EVERYTHING I predicted has come to pass. PSP weekly sales surpassed the DS in early 05... but it'll take most of 2005, if not more, for it to catch the DS in terms of installed base.
mashoutposse
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A month for the word to get out... sounds about right.
Those who sincerely believed that the DS would come out on top even in the long run are sure looking real delusional right about now. Of course, PSP owners knew the truth already...
Those who sincerely believed that the DS would come out on top even in the long run are sure looking real delusional right about now. Of course, PSP owners knew the truth already...
soundwave05
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I think the bigger issue now is Game Boy Evolution.
What is it? When is it coming? Will Nintendo push it out faster if DS can't hold fort?
What is it? When is it coming? Will Nintendo push it out faster if DS can't hold fort?
mashoutposse said:
The DS has about a 1M unit lead in japan alone right now
if the PSP outsold the DS every week by 25,000 which is unlikely anyway (there's still some big DS releases coming, meaning the PSP would have to SIGNIFICANTLY outsell the DS week-to-week for its average margin to work out to about 25K), then that would bean it'd take 10 months for the PSP to catch the DS in Japan alone.
so after one week where the psp sold a bit more your declaring victory? How about we wait to see if it happens on a consistent basis before even start saying such things. What will you say if the DS sells more next week?
Also don't these numbers differ quite a bit from the numbers released from the other group?
Myself thought that it would stand more time on top given GBA compatibility and with PSP suffering of lack of stock. My desire was seeing both doing well always that developers offered interesting and different things on DS. I still have hope in the system, but seems there is no contest at all if at this circumstances DS it´s already under PSP.
Not delusional or anything, just a wrong evaluation in my case.
mashoutposse
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GDJustin said:The DS has about a 1M unit lead in japan alone right now
if the PSP outsold the DS every week by 25,000 which is unlikely anyway (there's still some big DS releases coming, meaning the PSP would have to SIGNIFICANTLY outsell the DS week-to-week for its average margin to work out to about 25K), then that would bean it'd take 10 months for the PSP to catch the DS in Japan alone.
I expect PSP to nibble away all year (worldwide), then fully overtake it by early 2006 with a monster holiday season (again, worldwide).
According to one article I read today, Nintendo expects to ship 5M by March, and Sony 3M. someone correct me on that Nintendo number if it's off. Those are global numbers. Sony will outsell the DS by the end of the year worldwide. How it breaks down per territory will depend. Anyone know what Nintendo's shipments have been like per territory for the DS? Where the hell's broshnat with the numbers when you need him? 
He's mysteriously absent from this thread. :lol PEACE.
He's mysteriously absent from this thread. :lol PEACE.mashoutposse said:
Right, thats pretty much what I was saying.
So, then you have to look at what its cost sony to MATCH Nintendo in terms of pocket marketshare, how much money and TIME. Nintendo's turning a DS profit from Day 1, and its gonna take Sony (assuming everything goes VERY well for them) about a year to MATCH the DS worldwide (let alone "win"). By that time, Nintendo's next handheld will be about a year away, and Sony will have to start thinking about the PSP2 themselves... hmm. Granted they're taking the Xbox approach of bleeding money to ensure a foothold in the market, but unlike MS, they can't scale back their second attempt and ride the momentum wave... if the PSP2 doesn't trounce the GBA2 people will just return back to nintendo...
jiggle said:Didn't you hear? There's a DS shortage in Japan
It was posted on magicbox, on 14th(oops, not the 15th)
- Nintendo announced they have shipped 1.5 million units of Nintendo DS in Japan.
Of course magicbox's credibility comes into question. But that's what it said.
Actually no, I didn't here. That's interesting if true. Nintendo has had no trouble getting OVER 100K systems to both America and Japan every week, since launch. There's no other launches coming for a good couple of months... where are these DS's going?
For that matter, where/when did nintendo "announce" this? I remember hear anecdotal evidence that the DS had suddenly become hard to find, but I don't remember nintendo stating that 1.5M had been shipped.
soundwave05
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Nintendo has to bring out the Game Boy Evo.
Not to say "DS has failed!!!!" or some crap like that, but its clear now that PSP is for real and honestly there's just too much of a processing power gap between the two machines for the DS to win over consumers.
People like Nintendo franchises, but they like the type of gaming Sony does too, so it does come down to the hardware.
The DS can eventually function where it should be -- as a budget console with emphasis on getting non-gamers (but it has to be CHEAP to do this).
Not to say "DS has failed!!!!" or some crap like that, but its clear now that PSP is for real and honestly there's just too much of a processing power gap between the two machines for the DS to win over consumers.
People like Nintendo franchises, but they like the type of gaming Sony does too, so it does come down to the hardware.
The DS can eventually function where it should be -- as a budget console with emphasis on getting non-gamers (but it has to be CHEAP to do this).
I give no credence to any predictions until I see how the thing behaves in markets outside Japan. Depending on the marketing campaign it will either fly off the shelves in the USA or sit there collecting dust. Still interesting to see it finally outselling the DS, even if only for one week, in Japan, but to make any reality-based predictions about worldwide userbase numbers until it's introduced elsewhere and it's viability in those markets is tested is a foolhearty in my opinion.
soundwave05 said:
Now see, I don't agree with that logic. Remember, the game gear went up against the ORIGINAL gameboy. I mean christ do you remember what games on that thing looked like?!? they weren't even in COLOR! The Game Gear was WAY farther ahead of the game boy than the PSP is ahead of the DS. Yet the game boy won.
It was cheaper, and featured better battery life. Thats what has ALWAYS ALWAYS driven success in the portable market, with ZERO exceptions. People don't play portables for power. They play them for portability, moreso.
At least, it always HAS been that way. Maybe things are changing...
teiresias said:
If anything, GTA and Wipeout at or around launch in the West + more stock available should make for an even more impressive launch. The hardware just screams 'buy me', and if the price is as competitive as it is in Japan I see the same sort of thing happening over here.
Also I think GTA has the capacity to shift boatloads of them.
mashoutposse
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btrboyev said:
The trend has been there for all to see for about three weeks already. I wouldn't be surprised if DS outsells the PSP again next week, but it won't be anywhere near 2:1 as it was earlier on.
SolidSnakex
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GDJustin said:
Nintendo's last serious contendrr in the market (the GG) came out over 10 years ago, so things obviously are changing. Graphics have become more and more important over the year, especially with the introduction of 3D graphics.
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