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Media Create Sales: Week 12, 2013 (Mar 18 - Mar 24)
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Sammy Samusu
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[WII] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (Nintendo) - 194.894 / 337.452 / 57,75% 23/11/11
*cackles*
*cackles*
Aquamarine
Member
There was a holiday this week! It bumped sales higher than normal.
The thing about the Vita doing good numbers now is that the next three months are barren, so it will have to go down considerably in sales. And maybe this August they can put God Eater 2/the Jump fighting game/FFX/Gundam/anything else that might get announced and get the sales to 35-50k again during that month but then it will go down until the next batch of games.
It's a vicious cycle. One very hard to get out.
But who knows, maybe the system will hold in the 20k level even without games.
It's a vicious cycle. One very hard to get out.
But who knows, maybe the system will hold in the 20k level even without games.
Continuation:
Here a comparison with another March release that was released roughly after the same time after their respective system launched. KI:U 13 months after 3DS was launched and SS 15 months after PSVs launch.
One game part of a very popular genre multiplayer-hunting game the other a hybrid of a more niche hybrid between railshooter+action.
Kid Icarus: Uprising
1.week KI:U 132.526 / 132.526
3DS 94.011 | prelaunch 64.017
2nd week KI:U 47.179 / 179.705 (KH release)
3DS 121.921 | 94.011
3rd week KI:U 25.710 / 205.415
3DS 72.115 | 121.921
4th week KI:U 15.228 / 220.643
3DS 63.796 | 72.115
Soul Sacrifice
1st week SS (92.396 / 92.396) + dp (22.050 / 22.050)
PSV 63.581 | prelaunch(pricedrop) 62.543
2nd week SS 29.121 / 121.517 + dp (22.050+<5.000)
PSV 36.028 | 63.581
3rd week SS 15.488 / 137.006 + dp (22.050+<5.000+ ?)
PSV 41.073 | 36.028 |
Here a comparison with another March release that was released roughly after the same time after their respective system launched. KI:U 13 months after 3DS was launched and SS 15 months after PSVs launch.
One game part of a very popular genre multiplayer-hunting game the other a hybrid of a more niche hybrid between railshooter+action.
Kid Icarus: Uprising
1.week KI:U 132.526 / 132.526
3DS 94.011 | prelaunch 64.017
2nd week KI:U 47.179 / 179.705 (KH release)
3DS 121.921 | 94.011
3rd week KI:U 25.710 / 205.415
3DS 72.115 | 121.921
4th week KI:U 15.228 / 220.643
3DS 63.796 | 72.115
Soul Sacrifice
1st week SS (92.396 / 92.396) + dp (22.050 / 22.050)
PSV 63.581 | prelaunch(pricedrop) 62.543
2nd week SS 29.121 / 121.517 + dp (22.050+<5.000)
PSV 36.028 | 63.581
3rd week SS 15.488 / 137.006 + dp (22.050+<5.000+ ?)
PSV 41.073 | 36.028 |
The Mana Legend
Banned
Japan does not like Zelda.
Magicpaint
Member
Ocarina of Time 3D sold better than SS. Japan does not like SS.
metalslimer
Member
That's why Oot 3D easily outsold SS? The game was just not very well received comparatively anywhere
zomgbbqftw
Banned
No, Japan didn't like Skyward Sword.
LOL you are still continuing comparing KIU with SS?You have a bigger problem than i thought.Sad....
The Mana Legend
Banned
Japan likes handhelds more than consoles, especially nowadays.
The best thing that could happen for SS to be honest
Now they might realize that the Zelda core-market is in the west
The Mana Legend
Banned
I do not want Skyrim Sword.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
So let's pretend that 10% is still the baseline for every vita game, as ridiculous as that is, and that at retail SS is between 166-180k including the double pack, then that would put Soul Sacrifice at around 18-20k units sold digitally and put it at very close or at 200k sold ltd already. Bump that up to 20% just for fun and you are looking at around 200-220k sold thus far. That is why I said looking at this in the absence of digital sales is silly especially on a platform outside of pc that has unprecedented access to digital content.
That's uhh.....wow lol tho I can't say I'm too surprised.
metalslimer
Member
Doesnt explain why every other 3d Zelda sold better on smaller bases.
Not what I meant - less hand holding and stuff is what I want
Skyrim is always mentioned because of its sales; the core game is a flawed piece of shit
I think they are comparable, pretty much equal. In regards to your other questions I think it depends if famitsu increases their prices
But having to put in the same amount of marketing to produce 40-50% of the sales isn't a particularly good thing. If Soul Sacrifice was the one debuting over 250K and the next strongest competitor was doing 100K, then I'd be more inclined to believe the game was exceptional.
What I'm getting at is this. Why would we believe a Soul Sacrifice 2 would rise over its predecessor when similar games haven't experienced that same thing? What would it do differently? God Eater has DLC too.
Again, I don't think it can't happen, but I think marketing costs would have to inflate in order for it to grow.
I really appreciate you posting these weekly, thanks!
It'd be better if you zoomed in vertically, though. For example, lower the ceiling from 400k to 100k in the weekly sales. It's pretty hard to make out the difference between the Vita line and the Wii U line now.
If you had read the comment I explained why I did this comparison. Basically for these reasons.
1. both are March releases
2. released at a comparable time after the respective system launch
SS after 15 months and KI:U after 13 months
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3. new IP (SS) and a IP (KI:U) that has been dormant for 20years
The Mana Legend
Banned
Not fair to compare the times of 10-15 years ago to today's market when is completely different.
metalslimer
Member
At least the DoA comparison kind of made sense when the 3ds and vita had near similar userbases but KI and SS have very little in common besides when they released.
What a terrible argument. You can basically use this argument to excuse any game that underperforms and TP came out 5 years from SS.
What a terrible argument. You can basically use this argument to excuse any game that underperforms and TP came out 5 years from SS.
Um, not to throw my hat in with Laguna, but there was only one Kid Icarus game in Japan. It's completely different and it came out in the '80s. I don't know if it should be called a "much loved franchise."
I really appreciate you posting these weekly, thanks!
It'd be better if you zoomed in vertically, though. For example, lower the ceiling from 400k to 100k in the weekly sales. It's pretty hard to make out the difference between the Vita line and the Wii U line now.
I'll try to update it by tomorrow.
Magicpaint
Member
Yeah, comparing Kid Icarus with Soul Sacrifice is dumb. I don't know why Laguna keeps regurgitating that shit.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
But let's not pretend there wasn't a bit of a clamor for Kid Icarus to return. His inclusion in Smash also made him more recognizable as well.
thehypocrite
Member
I just want Vita to continue doing good to see the mental gymnastics by Laguna, hopefully he doesn't get a brain cramp. Like how deep down the rabbit hole can he go.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Why are you so angry over my comment saying that Japan doesn't like Zelda (which is true)?
Well, I was getting ahead of myself here but Gamecube VC is inevitable and since it's the year of Luigi what game would be better suited to kick it off than LM?
Anyway, other examples of what I described would be NSMB2 and NSMBU, or DQMR and DQX. Many have critizised that these would canibalize each other but DQX has done better than many expected and what holds NSMBU back is the hardware prize, not the game's sales potential.
Nintendo probably expected it to sell the U on its own similar to SMW and SM64 did for their consoles they launched with. With a lower prize for the U that would probably worked out better too.
So Vita's next biggest game opened at 60K.
You really have a weird definition of big game.
BishopLamont
Banned
KI and SS comparison does make sense. Both are multiplayer-centric games and are new IPs (KI is basically a new IP since its been dormant for so long) but ultimately they both underperformed and failed to make the impact Sony and Nintendo expected from them. Decent sellers but not the evergreens they expected.
Disappointing. Was hoping LM2 would triple 3D Land's opening.
metalslimer
Member
Usually games a country does not like don't sell over 500k in said country. You're acting like Zelda is some niche series in Japan so of course it didnt sell well which is just patently false
Exterminieren
Banned
Really hate to side with laguna in any way, but Kid Icarus was very, very far from a much loved franchise, and even if it was, Uprising bore little resemblance to it.
Still, his overall point is fatuous, I agree.
thehypocrite
Member
Let them have their fun
The Mana Legend
Banned
Every game that sells less than 500k is hated confirmed.
I was also hoping that it would sell twice that of a Pokemon mainline LTD week 1 but I guess we can't get what we want.
BishopLamont
Banned
Hyped up game like SS would show signs of legs already, especially with the marketing given. Its not some unknown sleeper hit that will show legs when people learn about the game.
metalslimer
Member
What odd interpretation of what I said. Just get over it you are wrong and are just talking without any evidence to support the idea that Japan does not like zelda
The Mana Legend
Banned
4. They both saw big marketing pushes from their respective console manufacturers
5. They both had a big name behind them (Sakurai for KI and Inafune for SS)
6. They were both hyped as selling more than they actually did by some (at least in the inital weeks)
I'm agreeing with you, I think it's a very apt comparison
metalslimer
Member
Using nothing at all to say a country dislikes a game. If Japan hated zelda the series would have died a long time ago. Are you trolling right now or really just cant comprehend that what you said has no evidence or basis in any reality besides the fact that you dont want to admit SS underperformed
The Mana Legend
Banned
If Japan hated the series, the series wouldn't die considering the series is VASTLY more popular in the west.
And where did I say SS didn't underperform? I said that Japan, as a whole, is not keen on Zelda, and this is a given considering none of the games sell very well.
metalslimer
Member
And once again the point of what i was saying goes right over your head. Zelda has consistently sold well across multiple entries indicating that no, Japan does not hate Zelda
please dont post in here if you have no idea wha you are talking about