metalslimer
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Hard to say when there has always been a discrepancy even without them
Media Create Sales: Week 12, 2013 (Mar 18 - Mar 24)
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Hard to say when there has always been a discrepancy even without them
the PSP version(¥3.980) this year was very cheap compared to the vita version(¥7.980).
If push comes to shove, though, I still want him at Nintendo. And I want the person they replace him with to have as much of a passion for video games as he does. Unlike ole Reggie here in America.
They are a bit, but given the size of the 2 markets I think the NA sales are significantly worse.
michaelius
Banned
Yes
People buying PSP are not buying 3DS
Studios making PSP games are not making 3DS games
Money spent on PSP games is not spent on 3DS.
So PSP is more or less buying time for PSV like PS2 did for PS3 in early years.
AranhaHunter
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That dude will still come back with some lols and some inane, insane, illogical reply. Probably just to annoy people.
No we can't say that. There are discrepancies between the two trackers every week. You are incorrectly jumping to conclusions IMO.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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This is what I'm expecting, but Wii Sports U instead of Yarn Yoshi. With the little footage we got, I'm not confident it'll release this year.
If I remember correctly, Sakurai and Iwata also programmed Smash Bros during their weekends because no one at Nintendo was sold on the concept.
He's a pretty cool dude, that's not debatable.
However, I think most people vastly overestimate his influence over Nintendo's strategy. I'm pretty confident that Nintendo's board made sure that Yamauchi wouldn't be followed up by another dictator. That's why I don't think there would be much sense in replacing him, since it's very likely that Nintendo's strategy wouldn't actually change. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the reasons why Nintendo is in its current situation is that they are missing someone in charge who actually has the power to push concepts through -- not because Iwata lacks vision, but because most of the power is in the hands of the board. That would explain why everything seems to take so fucking long at Nintendo.
I actually do own stock in Nintendo. However I might have a different perspective than some others, because I consider it a long term option. I like the various trump cards Nintendo has in the future to assure certain levels of success.
Nintendo's expectation of $1 billion in profit this year seems to me yet another overzealous prediction that only leads to frustration for me. It's an arbitrary number that's somewhat meaningless to myself and Nintendo, but unfortunately it will likely affect us both negatively, as shareholders sell off their stock when the number falls short, as is usually the case. I like Iwata but am not against change. I especially don't like how much of a debacle Wii U is considering all the obvious opportunities they skipped or fouled up. For example in NA releasing a late bundle for an old game (ZombiU....who does this? really) but not for a new, Nintendo published LEGO game....come on.
pieatorium
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Na market is much bigger than Japan though and much more home console focused, doing slightly better weekly numbers than japan for a home console is not a good result.
one interesting conversation from last week MC thread regarding the possibility of vita sales going up:-
hongcha, you got it right.
hongcha, you got it right.
michaelius
Banned
Then they need to replace him ever more with someone with clear vision on how to handle rise of smartphones and tablets.
100k first week for DQX will need a miracle.
Exterminieren
Banned
Does such a person exist, who will maintain Nintendo's handheld dominance and turn back that tide? I doubt it. The current strategy of giving people content they want, and lots of it, is the 3DS's best shout, for my tastes, and the 3DS lineup this year is packed.
How to square a variably successful portable product with a flatlining home console and show a consistent lineup for both is Nintendo's biggest challenge at the moment.
StreetsAhead
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No game got more than 50 seconds of footage released from the Wii U Direct, expect Wii U Party.
outunderthestars
Banned
90% of your posts are targeted at 'people' rather than a discussion. The other 10% are exactly the type of posts you never shut up about, example:
This is a statement said with zero substance, not even a single theory or explanation as to why you think that way. A complete troll post designed to get reactions out of people.
Could you just stop? Your contribution to these discussions are welcome and you make a lot of valid points but those of us who aren't on a 'side of the fence' find it intolerable to read the threads when it's full of this shit. See:
When we found out Wii U had only mediocre launch numbers in France instead of outright horrible like the rest of the EU:
Weird Nintendo domination fantasy posts:
And finally:
But I will.
Wow. Well done good sir.
While this is true, it's also true that Nintendo is currently in a very difficult situation without an easy solution. There's no simple way for Nintendo back to success right now, that's quite obvious. If investors understand that -- and when they invested a lot of money into Nintendo, they should be well informed enough to know that -- they might be satisfied if Nintendo can prove being on the right track next year.
However, with the talk of a 1 billion profit Iwata might have made a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't think both getting the Wii U back on track and making a huge profit is possible. It's quite clear that Nintendo needs to be very aggressive in the 2nd half of the year.
I do think that 2013 might become 3DS's most successful year yet internationally and I also think that Nintendo potentially has the right games for the second half of the year to get the Wii U rolling if they are also willing to cut the price drastically, though.
Maybe he has the vision. Maybe he has not. If everything gets lost during discussions on the board, we couldn't tell either way. And it wouldn't make a difference.
here is my quote from the last MC thread, I was pretty close.
but then i predicted 34k this morning one hour before the numbers released, I should have stayed with the chance of increasing.
michaelius
Banned
It's late port of a game which can already be played on Wii U and if you don't have Wii U you need to spend 40k yens to upgrade.
It's even in worse position than PS3 hd collection (orginals can't be played on PS3) and worse than delayed Vita PS3 ports (as it at least has handheld vs stationary angle to sell).
100k first week implies 170-200k lifetime - than would be half of original.
Magicpaint
Member
Yeah, 100k for DQX would be REALLY REALLY frickin' good
grimshawish
Banned
An investor will only ask a CEO to leave if they believe someone else can make it more profitable.
electroplankton
Banned
Top:
-Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon: a 300k units debut is not something many games have had lately. Luigi is not Mario, and this is not an holiday period, but still it opened doubling the last Paper Mario. Also, the strength of the IP was unproven because the last, and only, entry dates back to 12 years ago. So incredible result, it will cross half a million easily.
-Vita hardware: nice hold for Vita, indeed. I expected it would have sold less this week. It also got 4 games, so that's well explained.
Flop:
-One Piece: it sold less than half of what the previous one did. Bad word of mouth probably, since apparently the game was not so good.
-Dead or Alive 5 Plus: the series is really declining. 5 did not do so hot either, but it's weird to see now Dimensions revaluated, since back then it was considered a flop while now, with it almost 50k units, it can be considered an average performance.
-Soul Sacrifice/ it seems Inafune's game is not having legs at all. Well, for me it was expected, but many people thought it was the game to sell Vita. Apprently, it's not outside the launch week.
-Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon: a 300k units debut is not something many games have had lately. Luigi is not Mario, and this is not an holiday period, but still it opened doubling the last Paper Mario. Also, the strength of the IP was unproven because the last, and only, entry dates back to 12 years ago. So incredible result, it will cross half a million easily.
-Vita hardware: nice hold for Vita, indeed. I expected it would have sold less this week. It also got 4 games, so that's well explained.
Flop:
-One Piece: it sold less than half of what the previous one did. Bad word of mouth probably, since apparently the game was not so good.
-Dead or Alive 5 Plus: the series is really declining. 5 did not do so hot either, but it's weird to see now Dimensions revaluated, since back then it was considered a flop while now, with it almost 50k units, it can be considered an average performance.
-Soul Sacrifice/ it seems Inafune's game is not having legs at all. Well, for me it was expected, but many people thought it was the game to sell Vita. Apprently, it's not outside the launch week.
electroplankton
Banned
Imo, no. We always had differences in unit sold (just look at all the other games) so it's not possible to say that the gap is likely due to download cards.
michaelius
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27./22. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Best Price!) # <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.11.15} (¥3.800) - 5.947 / 248.335 (+3%)
29./25. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) - 5.051 / 1.995.299 (+20%)
Those are games considered as evergreens with huge legs right ?
They are selling 5-6% of what their platform does.
I squinted hard to see if there was a hidden message, but nope, I still can't see what your point is.
when was this? it's hilarious
metalslimer
Member
Typically they dont drop as fast as SS is, but maybe next week will show better legs.
Me too.
And just a 14,000 increase in the original 3DS for the new colours. Seems like the LL really is the more desired hardware.
I missed that. Frankly, I was skeptical myself about any vita increases.
Aquamarine
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Nintendo's operating profits (negative numbers = operating loss) by year:
FY3/2004: 107,683
FY3/2005: 111,522
FY3/2006: 90,349
FY3/2007: 226,024
FY3/2008: 487,220
FY3/2009: 555,263
FY3/2010: 365,567
FY3/2011: 171,076
FY3/2012: -37,320
FY3/2013: -20,000 (projected)
FY3/2014: 100,000 (Iwata's commitment)
(Units of measurement = Millions of yen)
The thing is, Nintendo's projections aren't unreasonable at all. In fact, their 2014 FY prediction is around 60% of what they made in 2011.
100 billion yen SHOULD NOT be a hard target for Nintendo to achieve, especially given their history throughout the past decade.
It's perfectly reasonable for an investor to be upset + want Iwata out if Iwata can't achieve this.
michaelius
Banned
I know. But SS is dropping slower than typical Vita game. And even if it becomes system seller we won't know before end of 2013 as it will be doing so at 1-2k levels.
Aren't they selling hardware with worst profit margins in history of Nintendo ?
3DS at small profit
Wii U at small loses before eventual price cut
metalslimer
Member
Nintendo has never had a year in the past 10 when one of their systems was losing money while the other one wasnt doing fantastically to pick up the slack, not to mention the vast increase in game development costs. I just dont see it being attainable if they have to pricecut.
test_account
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I actually think that it is exactly because of the circumstances that makes 37k-41k something extraordinary in this case. The Vita has been proclaimed to be a dead system for many months, seeing a lot of weeks were it sold less than 10k. Many people are surprised about how the Vita is selling now because they did not expect this.
I'm not arguing against the points your making why the Vita sold like it did this week. There were some points going for the Vita why the drop wouldnt be big this week indeed, but not everyone thought these games would have much of an impact on the hardware sales. Can i ask why you didnt present these arguements last week when people talk about how the Vita wouldnt see an increase in sales? I think that would have made a better "impact" (or what i shall say) and then that prediction would also be correct this week as well
It certainly seemed possible, and with no other significant Vita games on the horizon, can you blame people for hoping? As Tearaway nears release I hope people don't delude themselves into thinking it'll be anything close to a system seller. SS was the best chance Vita had.
as for Wii U in 2013, above even Mario 3D, I think Retro's game is what could change the tides in NA and EU. Based on their recent hires I'm expecting a very Western focused, online FPS. We have a good idea of what Mario's ceiling is, but a "Halo-killer" type of game could blow the lid off Wii U and lay the foundation for some successful Western games. With Retro, must-have is not at all out of reach, especially now that they are working with more capable hardware.
But who am I kidding, we're looking at a 2014 release. Mario 3D could squeeze into 2013, but I think Mario Kart is more likely.
I still can't believe how much money Nintendo earned in those years.
electroplankton
Banned
Those games were released more than one year ago. Soul Sacrifice will be lucky to be in the Top 20 next month.
I wasn't at first, but as the week went on I did become slightly skeptical. However, next week I think it is definitely going to fall with only Oboro Muramasa releasing. I think it will still be over 30k, but barely.
metalslimer
Member
Seems reasonable. Then we will see the decline as Vita lineup becomes more and more barren, unless Sony has a hat trick they arent showing.
Magicpaint
Member
I think SS is actually holding pretty decently considering the Vita userbase. Maybe if the Vita can hold on, it'll benefit SS and/or vice versa.
thehypocrite
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Won't be hard to do looking at the fact that Nintendo is making no profit in the last reports, The writing is on the wall for Iwata, too bad as this way Miyamoto gets off the hook when is mostly his fault.
metalslimer
Member
I dont know how you came to that conclusion,but miyamoto will likely retire or be put in a much smaller role if iwata leaves.
Haha I don't know, but somehow I had it saved!!
I'm thinking a price drop for Wii U more toward the holidays frankly.. until then, the platform is going to slowly flatline.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Someone should make a P4G x SS comparison.
Including charting position.
Including charting position.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Does the vita figure in the op include the bundle? Also the double pack sold 22k the first week, double that and it puts the vita at at least 180k. Add downloads and it should be well above 200k at this point.