lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I guess. At this point it seems pretty clear SCE's really only interested in western investments.
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Media Create Sales: Week 21, 2013 (May 20 - May 26)
- Thread starter Chris1964
- Start date
So according to Media Create, SMTIV sold about the same as SMTIII:Nocture in its first week (Nocturne debuted at 185k with 75% sell through) and imply that the same fanbase is buying it. If 189k is 80% sell through, that basically means there's 235k copies out there, and 45k left in the marketplace. I don't think there would be a new shipment by next week.
Sure, it will get more shipments, but not in time for next week. Amazon lists the next shipment as 13 June, in fact.
Famitsu has Nocturne at 151k. Is there that big of a difference between Famitsu and MC first week sales for it?
famousmortimer
Banned
Vita seems to be stabalized at 100% over the same week the prior year now, post price drop (and post bigger numbers right at the drop). And the PSP seems to be 50% of last year.
Not awesome for the vita, considering how low it was. But better than it declining.
So I'm kinda reaching for a silver lining. So what!!
Not awesome for the vita, considering how low it was. But better than it declining.
So I'm kinda reaching for a silver lining. So what!!
pieatorium
Member
The innards either are or are based off of mass produced phone parts. As far as we have heard the screen is the only real expensive single part right?
AranhaHunter
Banned
Lately not even that. They should consider definitely consider it.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I think there would be smarter buys than MAQL. Buying an entire publisher wouldn't be the best use of resources, there's a ton of bloat there if SCE's just looking for dev muscle/IP. And even on those terms, their biggest IP worldwide (Bokujou Monogatari) is inherently tied to a tiny publisher overseas (Natsume actually owns the "Harvest Moon" brand) and additionally a lot of the key staff already left to form start ups like Arzest or Toybox Inc.
I'd personally dislike it too as it'd most likely kill Xseed.
I think some people are making the mistake of looking at the Vita's LTD and thinking "it's not going down, so things are looking up!"
That is to say, things can look worse than they initially seem.
Vita had a new release this week. Let's look at previous three weeks in which it did not.
Tally the Vita software we can find in Famitsu and divide by their hardware numbers.
If the software numbers are complete, then that would mean that the majority of individuals purchasing the Vita on those weeks did not purchase a game alongside the system.
Let's compare with the other systems for the same weeks, excluding systems receiving a new game.
Healthy systems didn't experience the same phenomena. Even the Wii U had more accounted for during these weeks. Well, obviously, Famitsu's weekly software numbers are not totally complete. So where are those hidden Vita software sales?
Bear in mind, this isn't meant to advocate some highly influential software gap that the Vita is facing. I won't defend that position. And certainly not on just three weeks.
This is just to illustrate that an increase in hardware sales is not the be all and end all of evaluating the Vita's price drop and its current viability. There may still be other problems that make it impossible to give it much support.
Sony still needs retailers and publishers, and if things worsen enough, they will not bleed themselves in an effort to replace them. It's ridiculous to think that Sony will act in such a way due to pride alone.
That is to say, things can look worse than they initially seem.
Vita had a new release this week. Let's look at previous three weeks in which it did not.
Tally the Vita software we can find in Famitsu and divide by their hardware numbers.
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Week 20: [u]17.7%[/u] (2,048 / 11,564 * 100%)
Week 19: [u]36.3%[/u] (4.63 / 12.738 * 100%)
Week 18: [u]34.1%[/u] (6.083 / 17.855 * 100%)If the software numbers are complete, then that would mean that the majority of individuals purchasing the Vita on those weeks did not purchase a game alongside the system.
Let's compare with the other systems for the same weeks, excluding systems receiving a new game.
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Week 20
3DS - [u]345.9%[/u] (125,077 / 36,162 * 100%)
WII - [u]294.8%[/u] (3,505 / 1,189 * 100%)
WIU - [u]101.3%[/u] (6,137 / 6,058 * 100%)
Week 19
3DS - [u]408.9%[/u] (189,918 / 46,443 * 100%)
PS3 - [u]312.2%[/u] (39,141 / 12,537 * 100%)
WII - [u]422.1%[/u] (4,727 / 1,120 * 100%)
WIU - [u]63.6%[/u] (4,291 / 6,744 * 100%)
Week 18
360 - [u]0%[/u] (0 / 1,120 * 100%)
3DS - [u]514.2%[/u] (367,061 / 71,384 * 100%)
PS3 - [u]517.5%[/u] (90,504 / 17,490 * 100%)
PSP - [u]236.3%[/u] (20,878 / 8,834 * 100%)
WII - [u]698.4%[/u] (11,663 / 1,670 * 100%)
WIU - [u]72.9%[/u] (7,711 / 10,573 * 100%)Healthy systems didn't experience the same phenomena. Even the Wii U had more accounted for during these weeks. Well, obviously, Famitsu's weekly software numbers are not totally complete. So where are those hidden Vita software sales?
- Possibility 1: there aren't any. These people have bought the Vita without a single game. This is the most unlikely. But if that is the case, it's not a good result for anyone. Publishers will be dissatisfied and pull support. Retailers will be dissatisfied and reduce Vita shelf space. Prices on Vita products will drop. Eventually, Sony is bitten.
- Possibility 2: the sales exist below the charts. Five or more titles selling 2,009 or fewer units on Week 20. Five or more titles selling 2,016 or few units on Week 19. Four or more titles selling 3,338 or fewer units on Week 18. Certainly a much brighter possibility, but the Vita is the second best-selling hardware for each of these weeks, the sales for each game are surprisingly low. Individual publishers may not feel much of the effect of the Vita's hardware increase because the software sales are spread so thin; publishers may still pull out.
- Possibility 3: the sales are digital. This is nice for Sony and the publishers, not very nice for retailers. If retailers are dissatisfied, they will reduce Vita shelf space and retail prices will drop.
- Possibility 4: the sales are used. This is probably the best for keeping retailers happy. However, this means that the publishers aren't getting a share of the revenue, nor is Sony. If the publishers are dissatisfied they will pull support.
- Possibility 2: the sales exist below the charts. Five or more titles selling 2,009 or fewer units on Week 20. Five or more titles selling 2,016 or few units on Week 19. Four or more titles selling 3,338 or fewer units on Week 18. Certainly a much brighter possibility, but the Vita is the second best-selling hardware for each of these weeks, the sales for each game are surprisingly low. Individual publishers may not feel much of the effect of the Vita's hardware increase because the software sales are spread so thin; publishers may still pull out.
- Possibility 3: the sales are digital. This is nice for Sony and the publishers, not very nice for retailers. If retailers are dissatisfied, they will reduce Vita shelf space and retail prices will drop.
- Possibility 4: the sales are used. This is probably the best for keeping retailers happy. However, this means that the publishers aren't getting a share of the revenue, nor is Sony. If the publishers are dissatisfied they will pull support.
Bear in mind, this isn't meant to advocate some highly influential software gap that the Vita is facing. I won't defend that position. And certainly not on just three weeks.
This is just to illustrate that an increase in hardware sales is not the be all and end all of evaluating the Vita's price drop and its current viability. There may still be other problems that make it impossible to give it much support.
Sony still needs retailers and publishers, and if things worsen enough, they will not bleed themselves in an effort to replace them. It's ridiculous to think that Sony will act in such a way due to pride alone.
You can't get far in a serious discussion about sales number with "I believe". PSV sold 3.1 million in the 2012 calendar year alone and that's only the US (per NPD), 13 countries of Europe (per Nintendo) and Japan (per MC). Sell-through should be at least 4.5 million by now.
metalslimer
Member
Yeah made the dumb mistake of forgetting the pre fy 2012 sales. Ive been posting from my phone so it was just an off the cuff guess. The overall point does not change though. 2 million a year is also being generous as the system will have to make the majority of that in japan
Media Create:
01./00. [3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV # <RPG> (Atlus) {2013.05.23} (¥6.980) - 188.562 / NEW <80,14%>
02./00. [PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War # <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.05.23} (¥7.480) - 128.659 / NEW <93,67%>
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21./00. [PSP] 0-ji no Kane to Cinderella: Halloween Wedding # <ADV> (QuinRose) {2013.05.23} (¥6.300)
22./12. [3DS] Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040)
23./15. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040)
24./14. [PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.03.20} (¥3.980)
25./00. [PS3] BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend (PlayStation 3 the Best) <FTG> (Arc System Works) {2013.05.23} (¥2.940)
26./19. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985)
27./20. [NDS] Pokemon Black 2 / White 2 <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2012.06.23} (¥4.800)
28./13. [PSV] PhotoKano Kiss <SLG> (Kadokawa Games) {2013.04.25} (¥7.140)
29./11. [PS3] Tomb Raider <ADV> (Square Enix) {2013.04.25} (¥7.980)
30./22. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Dubbed Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.12.20} (¥7.980)
31./23. [PSP] Sword Art Online: Infinity Moment # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.03.14} (¥6.280)
32./17. [PS3] Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm 3 <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.04.18} (¥7.480)
33./25. [PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 2 # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.03.20} (¥8.190)
34./00. [PSP] Rakuen Danshi <ADV> (Takuyo) {2013.05.23} (¥7.140)
35./24. [WIU] Dragon Quest X: Rise of the Five Tribes Online # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.03.30} (¥6.980)
36./30. [PSV] Soul Sacrifice # <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.03.07} (¥5.980)
37./35. [3DS] Puyo Puyo!! Puyo Puyo 20th Anniversary (Special Price) <PZL> (Sega) {2012.12.13} (¥2.940)
38./33. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800)
39./27. [PS3] Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.03.14} (¥6.980)
40./34. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy <ADV> (Level 5) {2013.02.28} (¥5.500)
41./26. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.03.20} (¥7.980)
42./18. [PSP] 7th Dragon 2020-II <RPG> (Sega) {2013.04.18} (¥6.279)
43./32. [PSV] Muramasa Rebirth <RPG> (Marvelous AQL) {2013.03.28} (¥4.980)
44./28. [3DS] Detective Conan: Marionette Symphony <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.04.25} (¥5.480)
45./39. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl <FTG> (Nintendo) {2008.01.31} (¥6.800)
46./29. [3DS] Card Fight!! Vanguard: Ride to Victory!! <TBL> (FuRyu) {2013.04.11} (¥5.229)
47./38. [WII] Wii Sports Resort with Wii Remote Plus # <SPT> (Nintendo) {2010.11.11} (¥5.800)
48./45. [3DS] Aikatsu! Cinderella Lesson <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.15} (¥5.040)
49./40. [PSP] Uta no Prince-Sama: All Star # <ACT> (Broccoli) {2013.03.07} (¥6.090)
50./00. [3DS] Pretty Rhythm: My Deco Rainbow Wedding <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2013.03.20} (¥6.279)
Top 50
3DS - 18
PS3 - 13
PSP - 7
PSV - 4
WII - 3
WIU – 3
NDS – 1
360 - 1
SOFTWARE
Extra information:
[3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV [Limited Edition] <RPG> (Atlus) (¥25.880) - 9.000 / NEW
[PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War [Premium TV Sound Edition] <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥10.480) - 52.000 / NEW
These sales are included in the other SKU and Hardware.
01./00. [3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV # <RPG> (Atlus) {2013.05.23} (¥6.980) - 188.562 / NEW <80,14%>
02./00. [PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War # <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.05.23} (¥7.480) - 128.659 / NEW <93,67%>
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21./00. [PSP] 0-ji no Kane to Cinderella: Halloween Wedding # <ADV> (QuinRose) {2013.05.23} (¥6.300)
22./12. [3DS] Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040)
23./15. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040)
24./14. [PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.03.20} (¥3.980)
25./00. [PS3] BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend (PlayStation 3 the Best) <FTG> (Arc System Works) {2013.05.23} (¥2.940)
26./19. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985)
27./20. [NDS] Pokemon Black 2 / White 2 <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2012.06.23} (¥4.800)
28./13. [PSV] PhotoKano Kiss <SLG> (Kadokawa Games) {2013.04.25} (¥7.140)
29./11. [PS3] Tomb Raider <ADV> (Square Enix) {2013.04.25} (¥7.980)
30./22. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Dubbed Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.12.20} (¥7.980)
31./23. [PSP] Sword Art Online: Infinity Moment # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.03.14} (¥6.280)
32./17. [PS3] Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm 3 <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.04.18} (¥7.480)
33./25. [PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 2 # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.03.20} (¥8.190)
34./00. [PSP] Rakuen Danshi <ADV> (Takuyo) {2013.05.23} (¥7.140)
35./24. [WIU] Dragon Quest X: Rise of the Five Tribes Online # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.03.30} (¥6.980)
36./30. [PSV] Soul Sacrifice # <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.03.07} (¥5.980)
37./35. [3DS] Puyo Puyo!! Puyo Puyo 20th Anniversary (Special Price) <PZL> (Sega) {2012.12.13} (¥2.940)
38./33. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800)
39./27. [PS3] Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.03.14} (¥6.980)
40./34. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy <ADV> (Level 5) {2013.02.28} (¥5.500)
41./26. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.03.20} (¥7.980)
42./18. [PSP] 7th Dragon 2020-II <RPG> (Sega) {2013.04.18} (¥6.279)
43./32. [PSV] Muramasa Rebirth <RPG> (Marvelous AQL) {2013.03.28} (¥4.980)
44./28. [3DS] Detective Conan: Marionette Symphony <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.04.25} (¥5.480)
45./39. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl <FTG> (Nintendo) {2008.01.31} (¥6.800)
46./29. [3DS] Card Fight!! Vanguard: Ride to Victory!! <TBL> (FuRyu) {2013.04.11} (¥5.229)
47./38. [WII] Wii Sports Resort with Wii Remote Plus # <SPT> (Nintendo) {2010.11.11} (¥5.800)
48./45. [3DS] Aikatsu! Cinderella Lesson <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.15} (¥5.040)
49./40. [PSP] Uta no Prince-Sama: All Star # <ACT> (Broccoli) {2013.03.07} (¥6.090)
50./00. [3DS] Pretty Rhythm: My Deco Rainbow Wedding <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2013.03.20} (¥6.279)
Top 50
3DS - 18
PS3 - 13
PSP - 7
PSV - 4
WII - 3
WIU – 3
NDS – 1
360 - 1
SOFTWARE
Code:
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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD |
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| ALL | 844.000 | 456.000 | 894.000 | 18.647.000 | 18.246.000 |
--------------------------------------------------------------------------Extra information:
[3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV [Limited Edition] <RPG> (Atlus) (¥25.880) - 9.000 / NEW
[PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War [Premium TV Sound Edition] <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥10.480) - 52.000 / NEW
These sales are included in the other SKU and Hardware.
I think Opiate has discussed this before but it seems that there's still the expectation for a Sony system to get the best third party support, from both fans and Sony. It seems Sony really got complacent after years of dominating with the PS2 and started to take third party support for granted and the Vita is really the first time they've faced the consequences. Third parties are not obligated to support their systems and if that system is failing it's their sole responsibility to fix that. It seems Sony has begun to get it though between their indie push and stuff like Freedom Wars and Soul Sacrifice.
I think this is why there's so much uncertainty about the Vita. Sony has never really been in this situation before and we don't know how well they can adapt to being a big first party or having to fight for third party support. I think the fact that Vita is dropping back towards 10K despite a price cut and Soul Sacrifice indicates that they've got a ways to go.
I think this is why there's so much uncertainty about the Vita. Sony has never really been in this situation before and we don't know how well they can adapt to being a big first party or having to fight for third party support. I think the fact that Vita is dropping back towards 10K despite a price cut and Soul Sacrifice indicates that they've got a ways to go.
metalslimer
Member
Holy crap at kamen. Namco has been on fire lately
michaelius
Banned
A lot of effort but you built your results on wrong data. There's a lot of action going below top 30 famitsu and we have dengeki top 50 numbers which have total software sales for week.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59411013&postcount=346
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TOTAL SOFTWARE
Code:
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| SYSTEM | THIS WEEK | LAST WEEK | CHANGE |
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| 3DS | 159,881 | 236,872 | -33% |
| PSP | 145,610 | 60,238 | +142% |
| PS3 | 79,653 | 89,863 | -11% |
| PSV | 21,796 | 28,950 | -25% |
| WII | 15,362 | 21,767 | -29% |
| NDS | 7,896 | 9,699 | -19% |
| WIU | 7,872 | 10,699 | -26% |
| 360 | 5,565 | 4,310 | +29%
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| ALL | 443,635 | 462,398 | -4% |Also all those Vitas need memory cards - so there's probably a lot of money exchanging hands on accessory sales.
Senran Kagura Burst hits 100k
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/31/senran-kagura-burst-busts-past-100000-units-sold/
I'm pretty curious to see what Marvelous will do next with the brand. I think there are two possibilities: SK2 for 3DS/Vita or SK2 for 3DS and SK Shinovi Versus 2 for Vita.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/31/senran-kagura-burst-busts-past-100000-units-sold/
I'm pretty curious to see what Marvelous will do next with the brand. I think there are two possibilities: SK2 for 3DS/Vita or SK2 for 3DS and SK Shinovi Versus 2 for Vita.
Kamen Rider was basically a fan's dream come true.
I think it's probably in their best interest to make platform exclusive games, I would bet there's a lot of fans who would up buying both.
michaelius
Banned
Seems it got some additional legs thanks to Shinovi Versus and anime/manga release.
I think they could release SK2 on 3DS and then release port of Burst for Vita and then SK2 for Vita as delayed port.
Fair enough, but between PhotoKano, Soul Sac, Muramasa, One Piece, and PSO, Vita's sales, aren't you still left with 28.2% of Vitas sold without an game accounted for? Referring to the week 20 you linked me to. Doesn't that mean a lot of titles selling in very small amounts?
Anyway, I wasn't really trying to point out a problem that the Vita has, but illustrate the sort of problems it might have or continue to develop. I'll admit that I totally forgot memory cards, though. That's good for Sony, probably for retailers, but I doubt memory card sales matter to publishers.
Sammy Samusu
Member
MH4 - Sept 14
Missing Obon, summer break and one month before Pokemon. #mess
Missing Obon, summer break and one month before Pokemon. #mess
Still selling a fuckload, making with Pokémon one of the biggest combos of all time. #messindeed
Captain Smoker
Member
Pokemon X / Pokemon Y / Monster Hunter 4
The new Trinity.
Could be Puzzle & Dragons Z the third game of the new trinity? It's planned for a winter 2013 release.
Now for a Sentai super robot wars.
new releases {2013.06.06}
[PSP] Soreyuke! Burunyan Man Portable: Torimodose! Ai to Seigi to Kibo no Tsunya-kan (Best) <STG> (Alchemist) (¥2.940)
[PSP] God Eater: Burst (PSP the Best Reprint) <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥1.800)
[WIU] Rabbids Land <ACT> (Ubisoft) (¥5.040)
[PS3] Nera Broken Campus: The Movie Animation & Complete Material Collection - Hybrid Disc <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥6.615)
[PS3] Gal Gun (Best) <ACT> (Alchemist) (¥3.990)
[360] Halo: Origin Pack <ACT> (Microsoft Game Studios) (¥7.980)
[360] Minecraft: Xbox 360 Edition <ACT> (Microsoft Game Studios) (¥2.079)
[PSP] Soreyuke! Burunyan Man Portable: Torimodose! Ai to Seigi to Kibo no Tsunya-kan (Best) <STG> (Alchemist) (¥2.940)
[PSP] God Eater: Burst (PSP the Best Reprint) <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥1.800)
[WIU] Rabbids Land <ACT> (Ubisoft) (¥5.040)
[PS3] Nera Broken Campus: The Movie Animation & Complete Material Collection - Hybrid Disc <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥6.615)
[PS3] Gal Gun (Best) <ACT> (Alchemist) (¥3.990)
[360] Halo: Origin Pack <ACT> (Microsoft Game Studios) (¥7.980)
[360] Minecraft: Xbox 360 Edition <ACT> (Microsoft Game Studios) (¥2.079)
AranhaHunter
Banned
Buying a niche developer won't change their pathetic spot in JP. I say they should buy Marvelous and/or something else of at least equal size in order to try and start getting some good 1st party efforts there.
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lunchwithyuzo
Banned
And what would SCE do with Xseed? With Atlus Online? How would they navigate Natsume for the one brand that's worth anything worldwide? You're aware MAQL doesn't actually develop most of their games inhouse right? And a big revenue stream for them is in developing for larger publishers (SCE, Square Enix, Nintendo, etc), what happens to those relationships?
I'm sorry, MAQL would be a terrible buy for what SCE really needs (workforce). I just don't think you've really thought this one through.
What is that?
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I strongly doubt PAD-Z is going to pull the lofty numbers the smartphone version has by virtue of being a spinoff. There's a chance it'll capture that refuse-to-pay-for-freemium-game crowd, assuming one even exists in Japan, though.
michaelius
Banned
I don't see your logic here on how you arrived at 28,2%.
Japan sales are usually very front loaded so majority of existing owners who were interested in those games already bought them. So the copies sold now are probably mostly bough by new Vita owners.
Also they might be buying used games or PSN cards (to bu digital versions) for their new consoles.
Why would Sony need to buy someone ? They can outsource development like they did with Soul Sacrifice.
AranhaHunter
Banned
They can sell those assets.
Sounds to me like you're saying SCE is better off doing nothing and just staying as irrelevant as they are today.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
So they should just sell half the company the just bought? So easy!
I'm saying MAQL would be an overly complicated, illsuited purchase for SCE. If they're going to buy an entire publisher I'd suggest soneone smaller and more streamlined like Falcom, NIS, etc. But really, buying a publisher would be a dumb move in the first place to grab dev talent. SCEJA definitely needs to grow but this would be a self defeating way to go about it.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Agree to disagree.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
There's slmost no real value there, it's like fantasy. Like saying MS should buy Bethesda, or Nintendo should buy Atlus. It just doesn't really make much sense when you sit down and look at it.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Marvelous is not near as big as Bethesda or even Atlus. Had I said L5 you would have a point. Again, agree to disagree.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Are we seriously discussing the possibility of Sony outright buying Marvelous? That...doesn't make any sense for all of the above reasons. Forming exclusive partnerships for exclusivity (timed or otherwise) makes way more sense and would way more profitable in the long run.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
MAQL is about 2-3 times the size of Atlus iirc. Even Level-5 is bigger than Atlus now.
Guess my point still stands.
BlackLagoon
Member
Sony's western acquisitions have generally been independent studios they groomed and built a relationship with over time. I think Crispy's! (Tokyo Jungle) is the only equivalent for SCEJ right now, though of course it remains to be seen how their next game does.
They already released a Senran Kagura card game for iOS and Android.
AranhaHunter
Banned
MAQL is about 2-3 times the size of Atlus iirc. Even Level-5 is bigger than Atlus now.
Guess my point still stands.
Not to me, it doesn't. You're counting MAQL anime's side as well whereas I'm just looking at the game side.
I disagree with you, not sure why it's hard for you to agree to disagree.
Well, SCE is a healthy publisher and developer in the west so they can take that approach. It's too late to take that approach in JP now.
darkistheway
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Sorry for the late reply. I was thinking about a situation where it was still a better ROI to stick to PS2 rather than push into the PS3 development.
If we go with 2009 as the 'rule' then we could be seeing PS3 games selling (well) into 2017-2018 before the Japanese developers need to make their decision. At that point, the market will have picked a winner and they can move on with some assurance. My point then, is that I don't expect the majority of smaller and/or niche developers to concern themselves too much with how the PS4 does in Japan.
o shit MH4 is doomed
lunchwithyuzo
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Sony wouldn't be buying just the game side though, it's the majority of the company so they'd get all the subsidiaries too. And even game side, MAQL is still bigger than Atlus. Level 5 is also bigger than Atlus, I'm not sure why it's hard for you to admit when you're wrong?
AranhaHunter
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I said they should offload those subsidiaries, but even then, if MAQL's gaming side is indeed larger than Atlus, sure I'll admit I was wrong. I don't think they are though, but maybe you can prove they are as you vehemently claim.
Whether or not Sony should buy them is an opinion, one that you disagree with, which is fine. The problem is, you don't think it's fine for me to disagree with your opinion, hence why you are not willing to agree to disagree.
Lord_Byron28
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Fixed
lunchwithyuzo
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I'm not even sure what you're arguing here? It's self evident we disagree, I'm not sure what you want me to say?
I'm simply arguing my point, buying MAQL would be a dumb move for Sony for a multitude of reasons with little real upside. You're totally entitled to believe otherwise, and you don't need my permission for that.
AranhaHunter
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Cool.