428 was published by Sega on WII and Spike on PSP/PS3, Chunsoft have reopened their publishing branch 2010. While Spike is definitely a small publisher it's not the case of Sega which have some good success in Japan.
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Media Create Sales: Week 23, 2012 (Jun 04 - Jun 10)
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428 was published by Sega on WII and Spike on PSP/PS3, Chunsoft have reopened their publishing branch 2010. While Spike is definitely a small publisher it's not the case of Sega which have some good success in Japan.
They're not virtually nonexistent. The shelf space for DS adventures is as big as the one for RPGs in Japanese stores, bigger than any other genre. Layton especially, and to a lesser degree Phoenix Wright, are quite big sellers. Then you have lots of smaller ones like Tingle or that suicide adventure by SNK.
They're also more numerous on mobile phones and PC.
On consoles, the action types like Resident Evil and Zelda tend to be more popular though. Ico and Shadow of Memories also belong to this genre.
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They didn't need to carve their place in it, they founded the genre. VN was coined by Leaf to avoid using Chunsoft's copyrighted term Soundnovel.
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Okay, now I see where the comparison is coming from. Still if L5 really hope to sell 500 000 (which seems unrealistic to me as well), they would have to do it on behalf of its appeal as a graphic adventure, since novel games, even successful ones like 428 just don't get anywhere near that number.
Same as Shiren the Wanderer, yes. But they already were like a sublabel, all the other Chunsoft releases are advertised with 428 in its packaging materials, but no other Sega games. And sales were as niche as afterwards with Spike.
Hero of Legend
Member
How much did Spike and Chunsoft work with each other prior to the merger?
If you're going to go by that logic, then JRPGs are adventure games with filler battles.
So sure, filler battle-enhanced adventures sell. Action game-enhanced adventures sell. Adventures with mini-puzzles sell. Users want to control the experience, and these games add that element to what is otherwise an electronic choose-your-own-adventure book. If that's what you meant, sure, you are 100% correct. Action-adventures sell shittons and every action game with a story is at its core an action adventure.
The discussion at hand was Time Travelers though, and it's a graphically enhanced presentation of the same kind of game Chunsoft had made with some QTE added for good measure. Similar titles have existed -- Yaru Dora series was a reasonable success, for example, though discontinued after successive releases faltered -- but they're not something we see today.
I'm just using the term adventure as Japanese store clerks use it to put the games into the same shelf.
And RPGs constitute their own genre and are well defined, no need to mix them up. No one expecting a level raising game will buy an adventure anyway.
You can leave out the action oriented ones if you want too, just compare it to Layton and Phoenix Wright and you'll see that you can sell a lot more in the genre.
And adding story to an action game doesn't make it an action adventure. Adding adventure elements to it, does though (like collecting items and using them to solve puzzles in other places as in Zelda).
Is it really the same kind of game Chunsoft made? Can you define what kind of game TT is?
The trailer says it's a playing cinema, sounds and looks akin to something like Heavy Rain, probably the most modern type of Western adventure. QTEs also indicate this influence.
428 on the other hand is a playable book. You spend 80 % of the time reading and advancing pages. 10 % with looking up hypertext links, similar to text browsing on the internet. 1 % watching animated clips, 3 % with selecting multiple choice options and the rest with navigating the time chart and selecting characters.
Basically, you're reading a book with next to no animation and zero voice work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXNXZhA2Nak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZKc1b4FnXM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OfPT_gE6CI
Comparing book sales and movie ticket sales, don't you think that the 'gameplay', or let's better call it experience, is appealing to a much broader audience on video game consoles in the case of TT?
It's no surprise either that many VNs add graphic adventure touches to their gameplay core, to raise their appeal. But even something like the new Kamai-tachi game for Vita, with its gyro room exploring, still is 80 % novel text with background stills. Although they added voice acting as well, not really new to VNs in general though.
TT uses the same kind of engine as a full-fledged graphic adventure for presenting its story. A polygonal one too, great looking and with detailed animated character models. Doesn't get much more costly for an adventure than this.
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Okay, now this looks a lot like 428:
So they're keeping the multiple characters and the interdependent storyline. Maybe it really is like a movie version of 428 gameplay-wise. Anyway, looks fantastic, my interest in this game has greatly increased.
Spike published 428 on PSP/PS3, Shiren 3 on PSP, Shiren 4 and 999, I think that's all.
BishopLamont
Banned
In light of that Conception thread, I have a question for Sales-Age.
Why don't these obscure Japanese PSP games get a Western PSN release? Since you're not dealing with retailers and disks and what not, wouldn't there be absolutely no risk in releasing these games for PSN? Besides paying the cost for translation, what else would prevent them from being released?
Why don't these obscure Japanese PSP games get a Western PSN release? Since you're not dealing with retailers and disks and what not, wouldn't there be absolutely no risk in releasing these games for PSN? Besides paying the cost for translation, what else would prevent them from being released?
Translation cost aren't cheap to begin with, second Sony has to accept those games to be localized (they have refused some of them in the past), then the original publisher must be willing to sell licence right and the developer need to be available to do all programming to put the translation in the game (GKH say hi).
BishopLamont
Banned
So the bulk of it is the translation? I don't see why Sony would be against it, I mean if its allowed in Japan, there shouldn't be a reason why they wouldn't allow a western release. Since its all digital, wouldn't they be able to recoup the cost easily? Regarding the original publisher, why wouldn't they want to sell the license? Its just profit for them.
Sony America, in the past, has refused the localization of some game like Soul Hacker on PSone, on PSP they refused Sakura Taisen I&II (those are visual novel not game for them), Tales of Eternia, Breath of Fire III, the original Devil Summoner. I think one reason Working Design went down was because of Sony America. There is probably more games that have been refused by Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft that we haven't heard of.
Marvelous Interactive refused to sell to Rising Star Game the licence right for an European release of Arc Rise Fantasia or the WII version of Rune Factory Ocean for some unknown reason.
airmangataosenai
Member
Where the heck are you getting 1 million for IX from? I've never seen anything even close to that. Are you including Europe in that stat?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=403891
IX did somewhere south of 140k (Possibly 100k or lower) its opening month in North America. Meanwhile XIII-2 did at minimum 330k, probably 350k+.
test_account
XP-39C²
It is from one of Nintendo's earning reports. I cant find a link to it now unfortunately. 1.02 million is the exact known number. And yep, Europe is included in this number.
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/01/27/heres-how-much-dragon-quest-ix-sold-overseas/
I've found this
I remember also that in US 9 debuted better than 8 in terms of numbers, and did better than 8 in terms at least of positions in UK charts
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I don't pay much attention to the most wanted list, but has it stayed in there most/all of the last 6 years?Nibel said:
Ahahahahahahahaha!
Can you give an example of what's not working? I just tried %mario% and and the more specific super mario 64 and they seem to work.
Captain Smoker
Member
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110426e.pdf (page 6)
Dragon Quest IX: 1.050.000 shipped units (without Japan)
As of March 2011
Gran Turismo
gran turismo
or try "resident evil" vs "Resident Evil"
EDIT:
Seems related to Search Type LIKE.
With BOOLEAN it works.
test_account
XP-39C²
Who does that?
I know someone who really loves Microsoft and says so many bullshits about 360 dominance always talking about US and UK. Strange, uh?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
DQIX did 132,000 it's first NPD.
http://nintendoeverything.com/47165/
That was also with 2 weeks less versus FFXIII-2 (which did 350,000 across consoles combined) for the reporting period.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Short answer: Problem fixed, but you'll get fewer results in some cases.
Longer answer: Just a search for "Gran Turismo" shouldn't get any matches. Without any wildcards, it should look for a match with exactly that title (capitalization not a matter). What seems to have been happening is that when saving the cache files wildcards weren't being taken into account, so multiple searches could match to the same file. However, it seems case DID matter to the file name. So the search for "Gran Turismo" was matching up to the results for "Gran Turismo%" and the search for "gran turismo" was matching up to the results for "%gran turismo". One looking for games starting with the words and finding results, the other looking for games ending with the words and finding none.
With corrected behavior,
Gran Turismo, no matches
gran turismo%, many matches
Well, when I used it I put the "%" at the end and resulted the incorrect behaviour I described but was too lazy to do it in the post above ;-)
Now works, great.
test_account
XP-39C²
In this thread?
In this thread?
Naaah, elsewhere, in anoher country, in another forum.
SCEA doesn't give a shit anymore. They'll pretty much allow anything on PSP at this point. There are even rumors that they're no longer asking for royalties, which is why games like Hakukoi, and Corpse Party got localized when they wouldn't have 4 years ago.
test_account
XP-39C²
Hehe, well, i was just curious since it was mentioned in this thread.
They usually go by Comgnet.
well, I admit that the previous comparison that foreseen BW2 near to the first episode was too optimistic, in my opinion.
I doubt they go only by Comgnet. I think there are retailers among them.
BishopLamont
Banned
Bruno MB
Member
Comgnet has finally updated its charts, and it seems that according to them Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D will have a nice third week.
That would be a huge decline from the previous entry that sold over 2.5 million units.
On the other hand it would be on par with the rest of mainline titles (around 1.5 million), the problem is that it will be more front-loaded.
That would be a huge decline from the previous entry that sold over 2.5 million units.
On the other hand it would be on par with the rest of mainline titles (around 1.5 million), the problem is that it will be more front-loaded.
Usually =/= only. =P
They're probably more informed than us, but their predictions are still predictions. (For instance, the highest Tokyo Jungle prediction was 84k.)
The only way I could see B/W 2 opening much lower than the originals is if some of the fans decide they'd rather wait for the next "real" game for 3DS instead of this sequel to a DS game. It's possible even that some are seeing this as a cash in by Nintendo and not a real effort. I'm just speculating here, obviously.
I've never been under the impression that Pokemon fans were picky about where they got their Pokemon fix but if we see an opening that's a million or so less than the originals then something is definitely up.
I've never been under the impression that Pokemon fans were picky about where they got their Pokemon fix but if we see an opening that's a million or so less than the originals then something is definitely up.
This could also be seen as a "Grey" placeholder, let's say. It's something rather new in terms of mainline entries, so I'm opened to surprises.
BishopLamont
Banned
No because they can still make a Pokemon 3DS.
I think this is gonna happen, but that once Pokemon fans see B&W2 in action through their friends and find out that its actually a brand new game rather than a cash-in "3rd version" they'll jump in. So a lower opening should happen, but its legs will be fine and should make up for some of that lost initial sales in the end.
Considering how cheap this will be to make over the first 6 gen pokemon game, I think they'll be content.
I'd assume the reason they're making a BW2 instead of Grey is because they know gen 6 will take a bit longer than usual to develop, so they want something meatier to fill the gap.
Media Create:
[NDS] Pokemon Black (Pokemon Co.) {2010-09-18} - 1,323,423 / 2,828,257
[NDS] Pokemon White (Pokemon Co.) {2010-09-18} - 1,234,356 / 2,572,356
[NDS] Pokemon Diamond (Pokemon Co.) {2006.09.28} - 820,047 / 3,185,215
[NDS] Pokemon Pearl (Pokemon Co.) {2006.09.28} - 768,687 / 2,629,036
[NDS] Pokemon Platinum (Pokemon Co.) {2008.09.13} - 963,273 / 2,616,600
[GBA] Pokemon Sapphire (Pokemon Co.) {2002.11.21} - 549,337 / 2,610,744
[GBA] Pokemon Ruby (Pokemon Co.) {2002.11.21} - 543,962 / 2,550,021
[GBA] Pokemon Emerald (Pokemon Co.) {2004.09.16} - 790,527 / 1,916,505
Oh my...looking at those numbers we could also say that was BW to be outstanding, more thatn hypotetical BW2 numbers disappointing :\
never realized tht BW did so well.
What are people's expectations for B&W2? I don't think it will match B&W but I don't think Nintendo expects it too either. To me it seems like B&W2 is getting another mainline pokemon game out for fairly cheap development costs to make what's basically easy money and to fill the gap for what will be a more expensive to make pokemon 3ds debut title.
electroplankton
Banned
Imo, more than a third version but less than a mainline entry; I'd say around 3-3.5 million units.
Exterminieren
Banned
I'd say that was about right.
Possibly performance on par with Heart Gold and Soul Silver.
mission accomplished then?
We all know are expecting a bump due to Pokèmon, but still it amazes me Nintendo could obtain to give its brand new platform a substantial rise thanks to a release for its older console. It's never happened, right? XD