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[electroplankton]

Both of you have to consider that DQ will probably sell just in Japan, not outside in the western market, unlinke FF.

Actually, if marketed well as a Wii U game, DQX may sell well even here, with a much smaller gap than Japan with respect to mainline entry. DQIX did a million overseas; DQX may also reach 500k and being successful thanks to subscriptions.

 

[Chris1964]

Both of you have to consider that DQ will probably sell just in Japan, not outside in the western market, unlinke FF.

Last time I checked FF XIII-2 bombed outside Japan.

 

[Aostia]

Last time I checked FF XIII-2 bombed outside Japan.

so we are seying that DQ is more suited for the western market that FF?
i honestly doubt.

 

[electroplankton]

so we are seying that DQ is more suited for the western market that FF?
i honestly doubt.

We're saying that despite being less successful as Final Fantasy overseas, Dragon Quest X could still achieve a moderate success, given the fact that IX did "only" one million units, and the decrease from such figures may put the game around 500k, which would not be bad at all.

 

[Jokeropia]

FFXI did about 225k total (all versions) on PS2+360. Where are you getting 700k? PC sales?

->

http://garaph.info/softwaregroup.php?grid=79

Probably counting expansion sales.

Yes, I wanted to be as nice to the game as I possibly could, aiming to make the point that since it still came up far short of FFX, expectations like these are completely nonsensical:

considering that the latest main episode on ds sold 4.2 millions (if I remember well) I think that Wii + Wii U version should hit the 2 million mark to be considered positive.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

I expect P4G to open with 115k, then crawl to 180k LTD. :3

 

[electroplankton]

I expect P4G to open with 115k, then crawl to 180k LTD. :3

Imo, it'll be much more frontloaded given the small installed bad.
An opening at 115k, then 15k, then 7k, then 0.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Imo, it'll be much more frontloaded given the small installed bad.
An opening at 115k, then 15k, then 7k, then 0.

Co-Sign. I dont expect any legs.

 

[Nibel]

This week's most wanted list from Famitsu readers

01/02. [PS3] Resident Evil 6 (Capcom, 10/04/12) – 1341 votes
02/01. [Wii] Dragon Quest X: Rise of the Five Tribes Online (Square Enix, 08/02/12) – 1215 votes
03/04. [NDS] Pokemon Black 2 / White 2 (Pokemon, 06/23/12) – 1037 votes
04/05. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 (Capcom, TBA) – 800 votes
05/08. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Jump Out (Nintendo, Fall 2012) – 506 votes
06/09. [PS3] Yakuza 5 (Sega, December 2012) – 480 votes
07/07. [PS3] Final Fantasy Versus XIII (Square Enix, TBA) – 429 votes
08/14. [PS3] Toki to Towa (Namco Bandai, 2012) – 417 votes
09/10. [3DS] Rune Factory 4 (Marvelosu AQL 07/19/12) – 404 votes
10/11. [3DS] Culdcept (Nintendo, 06/28/12) – 392 votes
11/18. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo, August 2012) – 388 votes
12/28. [PS3] 2nd Super Robot Wars OG (Namco Bandai, TBA) – 352 votes
13/15. [3DS] Bravely Default: Flying Fairy (Square Enix, 2012) – 338 votes
14/24. [PSP] Nayuta no Kiseki (Falcom, 07/26/12) – 334 votes
15/16. [PS3] Robotics;Notes (5pb., 06/28/12) – 331 votes
16/23. [PS3] Persona 4 Arena (Atlus, 07/26/12) – 318 votes
17/17. [3DS] Etrian Odyssey IV (Atlus, 07/05/12) – 306 votes
18/25. [PS3] The Last Guardian (SCEJ, TBA) – 302 votes
19/13. [3DS] Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon (Nintendo, Holiday 2012) – 301 votes
20/26. [PS3] The Last Remnant (Square Enix, TBA) – 297 votes
21/19. [PS3] Dead or Alive 5 (Tecmo Koei, 09/27/12) – 269 votes
22/22. [PS3] Atelier Ayesha: Alchemist of the Ground of Dusk (Gust, 06/28/12) – 265 votes
23/21. [PS3] Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance (Konami, 2013) – 257 votes
24/30. [PSV] Soul Sacrifice (SCEJ, TBA) – 245 votes
25/27. [PSP] God Eater 2 (Namco Bandai, 2012) – 239 votes
26/20. [PSV] Hatsune Miku Project Diva F (Sega, 08/30/12) – 236 votes
27/12. [3DS] Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers (Atlus, 08/30/12) – 225 votes
28/29. [3DS] Fantasy Life (Level-5, 2012) – 207 votes
29/—. [PSP] Super Danganronpa 2: Sayonara Zetsubou Gakuen (Spike, 07/26/12) – 204 votes
30/—. [3DS] Senran Kagura Burst: Guren no Shojotachi (Marvelous AQL, 08/30/12) – 198 votes

 

[Celine]

Joshua,
I just realized that TitleEnglish filter in the Game Search section is case sensitive (and I suppose that is true for the other filters).
Wouldn't be more user-friendly to make it case insensitive ?

 

[flawfuls]

Culdcept to outsell NSMB2 confirmed!

 

[Takao]

Could GO2 be released for "everything" as Time Travelers or Little Battlers (PSP, Vita and 3DS), maybe in order to port it also in the west, where up to now 3DS seems the only viable platform up to now?

Sure, that's certainly possible, but LBX is a weird situation. The 3DS game is a port of the first game that was released last year for PSP. The Vita/PSP game coming in September is the sequel.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

so we are seying that DQ is more suited for the western market that FF?
i honestly doubt.

Depending on how it's handled over here, DQX outperforming FFXIV isn't an impossibility.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Sure, that's certainly possible, but LBX is a weird situation. The 3DS game is a port of the first game that was released last year for PSP. The Vita/PSP game coming in September is the sequel.

I'm curious too see which versions come west. PSP is probably past the point of no return, so I'd guess LBX 3DS to test the waters, but LBX2 being on Vita makes that an iffy long term strategy. Maybe LBX1 on PSN only, or there's an LBXWBB in the wings?

 

[Takao]

I'm curious too see which versions come west. PSP is probably past the point of no return, so I'd guess LBX 3DS to test the waters, but LBX2 being on Vita makes that an iffy long term strategy. Maybe LBX1 on PSN only, or there's an LBXWBB in the wings?

I can see LBX Boost (PSP-PSN), LBX Explosive Boost (3DS), and LBX W (Vita) coming over. There likely will be an LBX W Boost (so Level-5 can send this franchise to the grave even sooner) on 3DS so that'll come. Interestingly, the dub for the anime will cover the first half of the LBX W anime.

 

[electroplankton]

I can see LBX Boost (PSP-PSN), LBX Explosive Boost (3DS), and LBX W (Vita) coming over. There likely will be an LBX W Boost (so Level-5 can send this franchise to the grave even sooner) on 3DS so that'll come. Interestingly, the dub for the anime will cover the first half of the LBX W anime.

Isn't the anime set for a 2013 release in PAL territories? If so, PSVita could not even exist next year, ahah! I'm clearly joking, but 3DS version imo is the most likely one given the userbase the hardware will have thanks to Pokémon and Inazuma Eleven: kids.

 

[Takao]

Isn't the anime set for a 2013 release in PAL territories? If so, PSVita could not even exist next year, ahah! I'm clearly joking, but 3DS version imo is the most likely one given the userbase the hardware will have thanks to Pokémon and Inazuma Eleven: kids.

No, there's no set release for the anime's English dub at all. There's a Hong Kong produced English dub airing in Asia right now, but that's not leaving that market.

It would make sense for the series to be on 3DS, and I've argued as such for months. However, given things like Medarot (incidentally, Medarot 7 launches the same month as LBX W does), and Gyrozetter are also going to be on 3DS launching on a platform that doesn't have competition targeting the exact same market may not be such a bad idea. Sure, Vita doesn't have the target demo, but the fact that Level-5 announced the Vita version in June, rather than when the game was announced implies they might know something we don't.

 

[slaughterking]

Who would even bring that over. Level 5 is still not able to localize their own games in the US, let alone Europe and Nintendo seems like the only publisher that could market the game to the target audience, but I don't see them giving a fuck.

 

[Takao]

Who would even bring that over. Level 5 is still not able to localize their own games in the US, let alone Europe and Nintendo seems like the only publisher that could market the game to the target audience, but I don't see them giving a fuck.

Scamco will. They're the toy licensor for the franchise in the west.

 

[slaughterking]

Ah, right. I forgot about that. The late 3DS port makes some sense then.

 

[zroid]

next two weeks will be exciting.

can't wait to see how an actual popular game will affect Vita hardware, and then how this DS Pokemon will affect 3DS hardware.

 

[electroplankton]

No, there's no set release for the anime's English dub at all. There's a Hong Kong produced English dub airing in Asia right now, but that's not leaving that market.

It would make sense for the series to be on 3DS, and I've argued as such for months. However, given things like Medarot (incidentally, Medarot 7 launches the same month as LBX W does), and Gyrozetter are also going to be on 3DS launching on a platform that doesn't have competition targeting the exact same market may not be such a bad idea. Sure, Vita doesn't have the target demo, but the fact that Level-5 announced the Vita version in June, rather than when the game was announced implies they might know something we don't.

Didn't they say the franchise is coming in Europa in Fall 2013?

Btw, the late announcement of W on PSVita may only mean that Level-5 suddenly realized how PSP is dying in Japan, and how quick should make a transition over new platforms so to not lose momentum. I don't think W on PSVita will be nothing but a simple porting, like a rushed way to try to see whether there might some market on that console as well.

 

[Takao]

Didn't they say the franchise is coming in Europa in Fall 2013?

Btw, the late announcement of W on PSVita may only mean that Level-5 suddenly realized how PSP is dying in Japan, and how quick should make a transition over new platforms so to not lose momentum. I don't think W on PSVita will be nothing but a simple porting, like a rushed way to try to see whether there might some market on that console as well.

You say that they moved LBX W to Vita as a response to PSP being on its way out yet Gundam AGE which is very obviously an LBX reskin is still PSP exclusive. I don't think Level-5 really knows what they're doing anymore. LBX is a mess right now, and each of their franchises are being run down into non-relevance.

 

[BishopLamont]

Yeah Level-5 is losing it.

Time Travelers on 3DS and Vita? Really?

Where's Professor Layton 3DS for the West?

Why throw Guild01 out there to die and then announce Guild02 before even seeing how the first one goes.

Why jump on the PSP bandwagon when its already too late.

Where's that big IP for 3DS thats going to keep them afloat for the next few years?

 

[Takao]

Yeah Level-5 is losing it.

Time Travelers on 3DS and Vita? Really?

Time Travelers being on every handheld is a good idea. That game needs as big a userbase as possible if it has any hope of making money.

 

[Kafel]

P4 just got out, right ?

 

[Aostia]

No, there's no set release for the anime's English dub at all. There's a Hong Kong produced English dub airing in Asia right now, but that's not leaving that market.

namco and the cartoon agency of level5 closed a deal for both US and PAL release of the cartoon for 13, if I remember correclty.
I think that 3ds game could come oversea.

 

[BishopLamont]

Time Travelers being on every handheld is a good idea. That game needs as big a userbase as possible if it has any hope of making money.

Its a niche game, why would you need a big userbase for it?

 

[Takao]

Its a niche game, why would you need a big userbase for it?

Because it's been in development for years, and doesn't look cheap.

 

[BishopLamont]

Because it's been in development for years, and doesn't look cheap.

They should have just betted on 3DS instead or just stick to PSP if they're gonna go that route, hell PSP/Vita would have made more sense.. Their support is all over all the place and none of it is gonna pan out.

Its also just a VN, how hard can it be to make one, it shouldn't take years.

 

[Brazil]

They should have just betted on 3DS instead or just stick to PSP if they're gonna go that route, hell PSP/Vita would have made more sense.. Their support is all over all the place and none of it is gonna pan out.

What does that even mean? Having the game on multiple platforms is a bad thing? They're giving the fans the option to choose where they'll buy the game. By expanding the game's reach, it'll obviously sell more.

Its also just a VN, how hard can it be to make one, it shouldn't take years.

I won't touch this part of your post.

 

[Yeshua]

They should have just betted on 3DS instead or just stick to PSP if they're gonna go that route, hell PSP/Vita would have made more sense.. Their support is all over all the place and none of it is gonna pan out.

Well they want to sell 500k (if my memory is correct), at least Level 5 has been able to understand it won't sell that much on one system. Will the game across 3 versions gona be able to sell 500k ? Very unlikely imo.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

By the way, where the fuck is Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney? I hope we get an update at Capcom Summer Jam.

 

[Takao]

They should have just betted on 3DS instead or just stick to PSP if they're gonna go that route, hell PSP/Vita would have made more sense.. Their support is all over all the place and none of it is gonna pan out.

Its also just a VN, how hard can it be to make one, it shouldn't take years.

The game started development on 3DS. PSP/Vita were secondary platforms announced last year.

As for the game itself, it's more akin to something like Heavy Rain that your average visual novel.

 

[BishopLamont]

What does that even mean? Having the game on multiple platforms is a bad thing? They're giving the fans the option to choose where they'll buy the game. By expanding the game's reach, it'll obviously sell more.



I won't touch this part of your post.

Its not bad for us, but its bad for them since its more work for them, and with the state they're in any load off their shoulders will do wonders.

A VN doesn't require state of the art technology to realise, what justifies the long development time on the new platforms? The story?

Well they want to sell 500k (if my memory is correct), at least Level 5 has been able to understand it won't sell that much on one system. Will the game across 3 versions gona be able to sell 500k ? Very unlikely imo.

Not gonna happen, they're batshit crazy.

The game started development on 3DS. PSP/Vita were secondary platforms announced last year.

As for the game itself, it's more akin to something like Heavy Rain that your average visual novel.

Wait PSP is also getting a version? I completely forgot about that. This is just getting sad now.

Oh so its like Heavy Rain, I thought it was just the average VN with better than average art.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

A VN doesn't require state of the art technology to realise, what justifies the long development time on the new platforms? The story?

I assume you haven't seen any of the Time Travelers trailers.

 

[Takao]

Dude, does this look like a visual novel to you?

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Its a niche game, why would you need a big userbase for it?

Because Hino expects 500k. :3


I suspect like TT, LBXW was planned multi almost from the start and only revealed later on. It's probably the "tba Vita RPG" Level 5 confirmed last year. I honestly think the more recent development was Baku Boost on 3DS, which screams "market response".

 

[BishopLamont]

My bad, I never saw the trailers, just the pictures when it was first revealed.

 

[Alrus]

Well they want to sell 500k (if my memory is correct), at least Level 5 has been able to understand it won't sell that much on one system. Will the game across 3 versions gona be able to sell 500k ? Very unlikely imo.

I doubt it will even get close to 200k, this is going to be a very big bomb for Level 5 considering the production value.

 

[BishopLamont]

Because Hino expects 500k. :3


I suspect like TT, LBXW was planned multi almost from the start and only revealed later on. It's probably the "tba Vita RPG" Level 5 confirmed last year. I honestly think the more recent development was Baku Boost on 3DS, which screams "market response".

Even Layton 3DS failed to clear 500k IIRC, I doubt Time Travelers will.

So LBX2 should get a 3DS port later? They should learn to just stick to one platform for their franchises, its understandable given the market change in Japan and the transition to new platforms but they're just spreading themselves thin and weakening their franchises also, especially when they're mostly (all?) new IPs.

Regarding Layton Vs Ace Attorney, they should have released it at the height of Layton's popularity, not when its trending downward.

 

[Brazil]

I doubt it will even get close to 200k, this is going to be a very big bomb for Level 5 considering the production value.

Hell, 428 didn't cross 200k.

 

[Dalthien]

Why throw Guild01 out there to die and then announce Guild02 before even seeing how the first one goes.

Wasn't Guild02 only announced like a week before Guild01 released? At that point they would have already known what retailer orders were, so they would have already known how the first game was going to perform.

 

[extralite]

Where's Professor Layton 3DS for the West?

Nintendo handles Layton outside Japan.

Hell, 428 didn't cross 200k.

428 didn't have high production values. As opposed to TT it's actually a novel with some fotos and a soundtrack.

 

[Brazil]

428 didn't have high production values. As opposed to TT it's actually a novel with some fotos and a soundtrack.

Production sales don't always translate into sales.

While Time Travelers may have a bigger financial support behind it, 428 had amazing word of mouth strengthening its marketing campaign, and it wasn't published by a company that fell from grace and lost a great part of its brand value.

At this point, I'd have to guess Time Travelers won't reach 428 numbers.

 

[extralite]

Production sales don't always translate into sales.

While Time Travelers may have a bigger financial support behind it, 428 had amazing word of mouth strengthening its marketing campaign, and it wasn't published by a company that fell from grace and lost a great part of its brand value.

At this point, I'd have to guess Time Travelers won't reach 428 numbers.

Full-fledged graphic adventures tend to sell better than novel games. They also need to to make back cost.

And Layton and Inazuma still do well, as did Ninokuni on DS. All these are anime heavy, another thing that differentiates TT from 428.

I have no idea how well TT will sell but comparing it to 428 makes no sense at all. They aren't even the same category of game, neither genre, visual style nor publisher. Chunsoft as a publisher is decidedly more niche than L5.

 

[Brazil]

Full-fledged graphic adventures tend to sell better than novel games. They also need to to make back cost.

And Layton and Inazuma still do well, as did Ninokuni on DS. All these are anime heavy, another thing that differentiates TT from 428.

I have no idea how well TT will sell but comparing it to 428 makes no sense at all. They aren't even the same category of game, neither genre, visual style nor publisher. Chunsoft as a publisher is decidedly more niche than L5.

They're both Jiro Ishii games. That's where my comparison comes from.

 

[extralite]

They're both Jiro Ishii games. That's where my comparison comes from.

FF and Lost Odyssey are both by Sakaguchi, SMT and Cosmic Walker are both by Cozy Okada and SFII and Genji are both by Okamoto. The games and their sales are still wildly different and generally the audience doesn't care about producers or directors.

 

[FINALFANTASYDOG]

They're both Jiro Ishii games. That's where my comparison comes from.

It is also suposeldy in the same world, timeline(very loosely) has cameos from428 characters in it. 428 fans are pretty core, they know the connection.

 

[muu]

Full-fledged graphic adventures tend to sell better than novel games. They also need to to make back cost.

And Layton and Inazuma still do well, as did Ninokuni on DS. All these are anime heavy, another thing that differentiates TT from 428.

I have no idea how well TT will sell but comparing it to 428 makes no sense at all. They aren't even the same category of game, neither genre, visual style nor publisher. Chunsoft as a publisher is decidedly more niche than L5.

VN is a niche genre, and Chunsoft had carved a nice place in it with their series of games. Otogiriso, Kamaitachi no Yoru, Machi, and 428 are all part of their series of VNs and have the notoriety and fanbase to back up sales. It's just not a type of game a lot of people pick up unless there's plenty of word of mouth to support it, or it's an established series.

Or, let's put it this way. If full-fledged graphic adventures sell so well, why are they virtually nonexistent in the market?