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BKK · Oct 22, 2011

donny2112 said:
They've already said they'll be selling NES titles on the 3DS VC.

Ah, yes I see now they talked about multiplayer being included when they get sold later this year, I missed that before. If they start selling PC-Engine titles on 3DS we could see the unpalatable situation where the same rom which can be bought once from PSN and used across PS3, PSP, and PSV will have to be bought twice from VC to be used on 3DS and Wii-U (even 3 times if you want to keep it on the original Wii too?).

Yes, but Nintendo has offered a transfer tool to move content since the DSi. The saves get lost in the transfer, though.

That's a missed opportunity then which doesn't bode well for Wii-U. There should have been an option to link the content to an account when transferring from DSi to 3DS. This whole problem could have been fixed by doing that for both 3DS from DSi and Wii-U from Wii.

There's now an issue with Sony expecting people to pay for the same PS1 ISOs on PS Suite that they already paid for on PSN. It's about time consumers and media started asking serious questions of these corporations about these ridiculous anti-consumer practices.

SlipperySlope · Oct 22, 2011

Chris1964 said:
DS biggest week was 600k. Even if there was the supply, 70% higher than that is impossible.

And that's where you fail my friend. Nothing is impossible. Yes, I know (and knew) that the DS's highest week was 600K.

But the DS also didn't have this kind of a lineup before. The DS was never graced with a MH, and now we have MH, Mario, Mario Kart, and probably a few other things I'm missing, all very close to each other.

I think it very well can reach one million in one week, with very low sales the weeks thereafter because of stock issues.

Mr. Pointy · Oct 22, 2011

Predictions:

Monster Hunter 3G : 700-800k
It's MonHun on a portable. It's not on a Sony portable, where I think a lot of the fanbase were expecting the next MH to appear on, but since it's based off Tri and not MHP3rd, I don't think it'll matter much. Also, I don't believe the 3DS has sold through enough HW for a 1m first week to happen yet. LTD will probably be past 3m regardless.

Super Mario 3D Land : 400-500k
It's 3D Mario, but it's closer to a 2D Mario than 64/Sunshine/Galaxy. Say 1.5m LTD.

TLoZ : Skyward Sword : 250-350k
It's a Zelda, but it's on the Wii, which is tailing out. LTD will probably be somewhere between 700-800k.

Mario Kart 7 : 550-700k
It's Mario Kart. LTD will be past 3m.

New Love Plus : 160-180k
It's going to be front-loaded. LTD will be 250-300k.

thestopsign · Oct 22, 2011

I think 300k is a more likely outcome for Super Mario 3D Land. That said, it should have good legs through the holidays.

Michan · Oct 22, 2011

I think people are underestimating SM3DL. They're marketing it more closely to NSMB than Galaxy, putting heavy emphasis on 2d sections.

Chris1964 · Oct 22, 2011

SlipperySlope said:
And that's where you fail my friend. Nothing is impossible. Yes, I know (and knew) that the DS's highest week was 600K.

But the DS also didn't have this kind of a lineup before. The DS was never graced with a MH, and now we have MH, Mario, Mario Kart, and probably a few other things I'm missing, all very close to each other.

DS schedule for the end of 2005 was equally strong.

BurntPork · Oct 22, 2011

SilentProtagonist said:
Certainly troubled, nothing is doomed.

Not in Japan. It's smooth sailing for the next 6-9 months.

BurntPork · Oct 22, 2011

SlipperySlope said:
And that's where you fail my friend. Nothing is impossible. Yes, I know (and knew) that the DS's highest week was 600K.

But the DS also didn't have this kind of a lineup before. The DS was never graced with a MH, and now we have MH, Mario, Mario Kart, and probably a few other things I'm missing, all very close to each other.

I think it very well can reach one million in one week, with very low sales the weeks thereafter because of stock issues.

The only way 3DS could ever sell 1 million in a week would be if 2D Mario, MH4, a Dragon Quest spin-off, and a mainline Pokemon all come out for it on the same day.

cw_sasuke · Oct 22, 2011

BurntPork said:
The only way 3DS could ever sell 1 million in a week would be if 2D Mario, MH4, a Dragon Quest spin-off, and a mainline Pokemon all come out for it on the same day.

No.

SlipperySlope · Oct 22, 2011

Chris1964 said:
DS schedule for the end of 2005 was equally strong.

It was strong, but not 3DS strong. It was missing MH, a game that itself could bump 3DS to 500K if placed on the right week.

walking fiend · Oct 22, 2011

Chris1964 said:
DS schedule for the end of 2005 was equally strong.

That's not the entire picture of why it may sell 1m:

1. It's coming after a very successful predecessor, it may not be sustainable, but it will be frontloaded regardless.

This is why I say MK7 predictions being like 400k is pretty low. Nintendo brands experienced a boom during past years, they are much stronger now. 400k for a game that has sold like 4m and has practically no competitor, is a joke.

2. Although DS had a very strong line-up as well, but what it generally lacked was a AAA core game to attract demographic that eventually bought 20m PSP.

3DS receiving MH is like two consoles launching together in one form.

3. For circumstances, people have been holding off buying the console for several months, they will eventually give in.

Chris1964 · Oct 22, 2011

What had I said? Here it is:

Chris1964 said:
The impact of MHP3HD is way overestimated.

Same for MH3G. It's not MH4.

Kazerei · Oct 22, 2011

This is the Famitsu software chart from December 19-25 2005, the week the DS sold almost 600k. (source)

All the DS games there are the "casual appeal" type, and none of them actually launched that week. The 3DS lineup is also very impressive, but I'm not sure it can top this.

Platform - TitleEnglish - SalesWeekly - SalesLTD
PS2 - Kingdom Hearts II - 737652 - 737652
DS - Animal Crossing: Wild World - 381927 - 1169757
DS - Mario Kart DS - 285170 - 669575
PS2 - Naruto: Narutimate Hero 3 - 194372 - 194372
DS - Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop - 165494 - 770391
GBA - Pokemon Dungeon: Red Rescue Team - 150589 - 517484
GCN - Mario Party 7 - 103008 - 329633
DS - Big Brain Academy - 94758 - 875371
DS - Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day - 92713 - 1011341
GBA - Mega Man EXE 6 Cybeast Gregar/Falzar - 90444 - 432119
DS - Nintendogs (Labrador, Dachshund, Chihuahua) - 88455 - 965665
PS2 - Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence - 73337 - 73337
PS2 - Tales of the Abyss - 71909 - 440225
GCN - Naruto Gekitou Ninja Taisen! 4 - 64153 - 233107
PS2 - Yakuza - 44813 - 232650
PS2 - Ratchet & Clank 4 - 44768 - 187773
PS2 - Momotarou Dentetsu 15 - 35407 - 149550
GBA - Final Fantasy IV Advance - 35337 - 134148
PS2 - Rogue Galaxy - 34233 - 299310
PSP - Me and My Katamari - 28632 - 28632

Kurosaki Ichigo · Oct 22, 2011

Prediction League (October 24 - 30)
- Any entry missing MC Top20 will be taken out of the predictions.
- Deadline is Wednesday 26th when Famitsu Top10 is posted for the October 17-23 week.

[PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) -
[WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land (Nintendo) -
[PS3] The Idolmaster 2 (Bandai Namco Games) -

Spiegel · Oct 22, 2011

[PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) - 620000
[WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land (Nintendo) - 180000
[PS3] The Idolmaster 2 (Bandai Namco Games) - 100000

I don't expect FFT-O to sell that well but I'm hoping for it to be a surprise hit.

Kazerei said:
This is the Famitsu software chart from December 19-25 2005, the week the DS sold almost 600k. (source)

All the DS games there are the "casual appeal" type, and none of them actually launched that week. The 3DS lineup is also very impressive, but I'm not sure it can top this.

Platform - TitleEnglish - SalesWeekly - SalesLTD
PS2 - Kingdom Hearts II - 737652 - 737652
DS - Animal Crossing: Wild World - 381927 - 1169757
DS - Mario Kart DS - 285170 - 669575
PS2 - Naruto: Narutimate Hero 3 - 194372 - 194372
DS - Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop - 165494 - 770391
GBA - Pokemon Dungeon: Red Rescue Team - 150589 - 517484
GCN - Mario Party 7 - 103008 - 329633
DS - Big Brain Academy - 94758 - 875371
DS - Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day - 92713 - 1011341
GBA - Mega Man EXE 6 Cybeast Gregar/Falzar - 90444 - 432119
DS - Nintendogs (Labrador, Dachshund, Chihuahua) - 88455 - 965665
PS2 - Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence - 73337 - 73337
PS2 - Tales of the Abyss - 71909 - 440225
GCN - Naruto Gekitou Ninja Taisen! 4 - 64153 - 233107
PS2 - Yakuza - 44813 - 232650
PS2 - Ratchet & Clank 4 - 44768 - 187773
PS2 - Momotarou Dentetsu 15 - 35407 - 149550
GBA - Final Fantasy IV Advance - 35337 - 134148
PS2 - Rogue Galaxy - 34233 - 299310
PSP - Me and My Katamari - 28632 - 28632

Monster Hunter, Mario Kart, Super Mario, Fabstyle and Inazuma Eleven have casual appeal

thestopsign · Oct 22, 2011

DS 2005 lineup had more than the 3DS does I think. The 3DS games just appeal to a more hardcore appeal to them.

>5 million
Animal Crossing and Brain Training 2
>3 million
Mario Kart DS and Brain Training
>2 million
Nintendogs
>1 million
Big Brain Academy and Tamogotchi Connection

3DS has 3, maybe 4 million sellers and I don't think they will be in the same ballpark as Animal Crossing and Brain Training 2.

Edit: Spiegel, you are right that those games have casual appeal. They pretty much have to. In general if games sell over 1mil, they are going to have some mass market appeal. They aren't nearly as casual as Animal Crossing and Brain Training were though.

lunchwithyuzo · Oct 22, 2011

Prediction League (October 24 - 30)

[PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) - 666,666
[WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land (Nintendo) - 222,222
[PS3] The Idolmaster 2 (Bandai Namco Games) - 111,111

Takao · Oct 22, 2011

lunchwithyuzo said:
Prediction League (October 24 - 30)

[PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) - 666,666

So Square Enix did sell their soul to the devil.

Relaxed Muscle · Oct 22, 2011

Takao said:
So Square Enix did sell their soul to the devil.

Yeah, it happened years ago and the devil asked to run the company as payment.

AgentChris · Oct 22, 2011

Relaxed Muscle said:
Yeah, it happened years ago and the devil asked to run the company as payment.

Yeshua · Oct 22, 2011

Prediciton :
[PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) - 600000
[WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land (Nintendo) - 200000
[PS3] The Idolmaster 2 (Bandai Namco Games) - 90000

Super Mario Land 3D FW/LTD (Until January)
450k/1100k
Mario Kart 7 FW/LTD
500k/1200k
Monster Hunter Tri G FW/LTD
1000k/1800k
Inazuma Eleven Go FW/LTD
350k/600k
Love Plus + FW/LTD
120k/160k
Sd Gundam G Generation 3D FW/LTD
140k/180k
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword FW/LTD
350k/600k
3DS Highest Week/LTD (for November & December)
500k/2500k
PS Vita FW/LTD (December)
400k/700k

distantmantra · Oct 22, 2011

Prediction League (October 24 - 30)
[PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) - 483,765
[WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land (Nintendo) - 113,387
[PS3] The Idolmaster 2 (Bandai Namco Games) - 143,206

Truth101 · Oct 22, 2011

I wonder if FF-0 has the potential to be the first non-MH million seller on the PSP.

BurntPork · Oct 22, 2011

Truth101 said:
I wonder if FF-0 has the potential to be the first non-MH million seller on the PSP.

I'm going to take a shot for every time this is said. Should I do it retroactively?

Takao · Oct 22, 2011

BurntPork said:
I'm going to take a shot for every time this is said. Should I do it retroactively?

Oh man, so you're not hammered when you post?

Truth101 said:
I wonder if FF-0 has the potential to be the first non-MH million seller on the PSP.

I'd say LBX: Boost has a higher chance.

Which is to say neither will break a million.

noobie · Oct 22, 2011

Truth101 said:
I wonder if FF-0 has the potential to be the first non-MH million seller on the PSP.

Not at all...
i will be surprise if it even breaks 600k

distantmantra · Oct 22, 2011

Truth101 said:
I wonder if FF-0 has the potential to be the first non-MH million seller on the PSP.

If Crisis Core and Birth by Sleep didn't do it, I don't see how Type-0 would be able to.

BurntPork · Oct 22, 2011

Takao said:
Oh man, so you're not hammered when you post?

Not right now, no.

Chris1964 · Oct 22, 2011

Kazerei said:
This is the Famitsu software chart from December 19-25 2005, the week the DS sold almost 600k.

That's not the full chart.

Famitsu Sales: Week 52, 2005 (Dec 19 - Dec 25)

01./00. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II (Square Enix) {2005.12.22} - 737.652 / NEW
02./02. [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) {2005.11.23} - 381.927 / 1.169.757 (+98%)
03./03. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) {2005.12.08} - 285.170 / 669.575 (+78%)
04./00. [PS2] Naruto: Narutimate Hero 3 (Bandai) {2005.12.22} - 194.372 / NEW
05./05. [NDS] Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop (Bandai) {2005.09.15} - 165.494 / 770.391 (+99%)
06./06. [GBA] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team (Pokemon Co.) {2005.11.17} - 150.589 / 517.484 (+88%)
07./07. [NDS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team (Pokemon Co.) {2005.11.17} - 146.214 / 521.380 (+84%)
08./12. [GCN] Mario Party 7 (Nintendo) {2005.11.10} - 103.008 / 329.633 (+137%)
09./15. [NDS] Big Brain Academy (Nintendo) {2005.06.30} - 94.758 / 875.371 (+145%)
10./11. [NDS] Brain Training (Nintendo) {2005.05.19} - 92.713 / 1.011.341 (+102%)
11./10. [GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Gregar / Cybeast Falzar (Capcom) {2005.11.23} - 90.444 / 432.119 (+81%)
12./14. [NDS] Nintendogs: Labrador / Dachshund / Chihuahua & Friends (Nintendo) {2005.04.21} - 88.455 / 965.665 (+121%)
13./00. [PS2] Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (Konami) {2005.12.22} - 73.337 / NEW
14./01. [PS2] Tales of the Abyss (Namco) {2005.12.15} - 71.909 / 440.225 (-80%)
15./21. [NDS] Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime 2 (Square Enix) {2005.12.01} - 68.735 / 176.218 (+118%)
16./20. [GCN] Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen! 4 (Tomy) {2005.11.21} - 64.153 / 233.107 (+102%)
17./24. [NDS] Dragon Ball Z: Supersonic Warriors 2 (Bandai) {2005.12.01} - 63.441 / 165.599 (+116%)
18./23. [NDS] Clubhouse Games (Nintendo) {2005.11.03} - 53.348 / 301.809 (+79%)
19./08. [PS2] Yakuza (Sega) {2005.12.08} - 44.813 / 232.650 (-23%)
20./29. [PS2] Ratchet & Clank: Deadlocked (SCE) {2005.11.23} - 44.768 / 187.773 (+121%)

Top 20

NDS - 10
PS2 - 6
GBA - 2
GCN - 2

SOFTWARE

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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |
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|  NDS  |      44,3% |      36,8% |      14,6% |
|  PS2  |      35,0% |      38,4% |      53,1% |
|  GBA  |       8,9% |      13,5% |      15,9% |
|  PSP  |       6,2% |       5,4% |       6,0% |
|  GCN  |       4,4% |       5,1% |      10,4% |
|  360  |       1,2% |       0,7% |       0,0% |
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HARDWARE

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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
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| NDS # |    614.748 |    381.776 |    252.919 |  4.002.871 |  1.095.930 |   5.098.801 |
| PSP # |    149.825 |    102.555 |     92.515 |  2.225.799 |    339.944 |   2.565.743 |
|  PS2  |     90.828 |     58.067 |    145.330 |  2.134.863 |  2.750.776 |  18.702.853 |
| GBA # |     61.312 |     44.081 |    115.124 |  1.252.756 |  2.574.987 |  15.008.036 |
|  GCN  |     32.422 |     16.760 |     65.695 |    305.000 |    608.163 |   3.913.258 |
|  360  |      7.315 |     12.320 |            |     81.770 |            |      81.770 |
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|  ALL  |    956.450 |    615.559 |    672.527 | 10.015.803 |  7.405.052 |  45.843.011 |
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|  NDS  |    614.748 |    381.776 |    252.919 |  4.002.871 |  1.095.930 |   5.098.801 |
|  PSP  |    149.825 |    102.555 |     92.515 |  2.225.799 |    339.944 |   2.565.743 |
|  GBM  |     20.276 |     19.347 |            |    394.845 |            |     394.845 |
| GBASP |     41.036 |     24.734 |    111.921 |    831.221 |  2.372.455 |   5.636.991 |
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MARKET VALUE (Millions Yen)

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|       | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |
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|  H-W  |     14.750 |      9.860 |      9.910 |    163.960 |    111.610 |
|  S-W  |     22.970 |     12.010 |     14.850 |    290.760 |    316.440 |
|  TOT  |     37.710 |     21.860 |     24.760 |    454.730 |    428.050 |
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Media Create gives a better picture

Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2005 (Dec 19 - Dec 25)

01./00. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II (Square Enix) {2005.12.22} - 727.591 / NEW
02./02. [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) {2005.11.23} - 416.132 / 1.177.108 (+127%)
03./03. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) {2005.12.08} - 302.742 / 667.799 (+108%)
04./00. [PS2] Naruto: Narutimate Hero 3 (Bandai) {2005.12.22} - 216.966 / NEW
05./07. [NDS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team (Pokemon Co.) {2005.11.17} - 157.786 / 511.704 (+96%)
06./06. [GBA] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team (Pokemon Co.) {2005.11.17} - 156.430 / 512.054 (+85%)
07./05. [NDS] Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop (Bandai) {2005.09.15} - 156.181 / 721.104 (+70%)
08./00. [PS2] Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (Konami) {2005.12.22} - 103.984 / NEW
09./14. [GCN] Mario Party 7 (Nintendo) {2005.11.10} - 100.130 / 319.650
10./08. [NDS] Brain Training (Nintendo) {2005.05.19} - 93.240 / 1.004.681 (+65%)
11./10. [NDS] Big Brain Academy (Nintendo) {2005.06.30} - 79.899 / 852.746 (+67%)
12./18. [NDS] Dragon Ball Z: Supersonic Warriors 2 (Bandai) {2005.12.01}
13./19. [GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Gregar (Capcom) {2005.11.23}
14./25. [NDS] Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime 2 (Square Enix) {2005.12.01}
15./01. [PS2] Tales of the Abyss (Namco) {2005.12.15}
16./23. [GCN] Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen! 4 (Tomy) {2005.11.21}
17./15. [NDS] Clubhouse Games (Nintendo) {2005.11.03}
18./26. [NDS] Mushi King: Greatest Champion DS (Sega) {2005.12.08}
19./24. [GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Falzar (Capcom) {2005.11.23}
20./16. [PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom (Capcom) {2005.12.01} - 43.000
21./28. [NDS] Pokemon Puzzle (Pokemon Co.) {2005.10.20}
22./00. [PSP] Me and My Katamari (Namco) {2005.12.22} - 36.741 / NEW
23./00. [PS2] Prince of Tennis: Prince of School Festival (Konami) {2005.12.22} - 37.000 / NEW <62,71%>
24./29. [NDS] Nintendogs: Labrador & Friends (Nintendo) {2005.04.21}
25./11. [PS2] Yakuza (Sega) {2005.12.08}
26./31. [NDS] Nintendogs: Dachshund & Friends (Nintendo) {2005.04.21}
27./30. [NDS] Nintendogs: Chihuahua & Friends (Nintendo) {2005.04.21}
28./04. [GBA] Final Fantasy IV Advance (Square Enix) {2005.12.15}
29./34. [PS2] Ratchet & Clank: Deadlocked (SCE) {2005.11.23}
30./09. [PS2] Rogue Galaxy (SCE) {2005.12.08}
31./00. [PS2] Need for Speed: Most Wanted (Electronic Arts) {2005.12.22} - 25.313 / NEW
32./22. [PS2] Momotaro Railway 15: Godai Bombie Toujou! no Kan (Hudson) {2005.12.08}
33./32. [GBA] Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble (Nintendo) {2005.12.01}
34./21. [PS2] Resident Evil 4 (Capcom) {2005.12.01}
35./00. [PS2] G1 Jockey 4 (Koei) {2005.12.22}
36./00. [PS2] Jissen Pachislot Secrets! Fist of the North Star CR (Sega) {2005.12.22}
37./43. [NDS] Super Princess Peach (Nintendo) {2005.10.20}
38./12. [PS2] Jissen Pachislot Secrets! Aladdin 2 Evolution (Sega) {2005.12.15}
39./45. [NDS] Power Pro Kun Pocket 8 (Konami) {2005.12.01}
40./39. [GBA] Famicom Mini: Super Mario Bros. - 20th Anniversary Reprint (Nintendo) {2005.09.13}
41./13. [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 12: Final Edition (Konami) {2005.12.15}
42./00. [PS2] Battle Colosseum (NeoGeo Online Collection) (SNK Playmore) {2005.12.22}
43./44. [NDS] Harvest Moon: Colobocle Station for Girls (Marvelous Entertainment) {2005.12.08}
44./35. [GCN] Bleach GC: Tasogare ni Mamieru Shinigami (Sega) {2005.12.08}
45./00. [PSP] Devil Summoner (Atlus Co.) {2005.12.22} - 13.000 / NEW
46./47. [PS2] Taiko Drum Master: The 6th Generation (Namco) {2005.12.08}
47./00. [NDS] Futari wa Precure: Max Heart Danzen! DS de Precure (Bandai) {2005.12.01}
48./33. [PSP] Samurai Warriors: State of War (Koei) {2005.12.08} - 13.000
49./00. [PS2] Eyeshield 21: AmeFoot Yarouze! Ya! Ha! (Konami) {2005.12.22}
50./38. [PSP] Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee (PSP the Best) (SCE) {2005.11.17} - 12.000
00./00. [GBA] Ochainu no Yume Bouken (MTO) {2005.12.22} - 11.642 / NEW
00./00. [PSP] Work Time Fun (SCE) {2005.12.22} - 10.870 / NEW
00./00. [PSP] Need for Speed: Most Wanted (Electronic Arts) {2005.12.22} - 10.163 / NEW
00./00. [PS2] Simple 2000 Series Vol. 90: The Oneechanbara 2 (D3 Publisher) {2005.12.22} - 9.600 / NEW
00./00. [GBA] Animal Yokochou (Konami) {2005.12.22} - 8.115 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] Puyo Puyo Fever 2 (Sega) {2005.12.24} - 8.979 / NEW
00./00. [PS2] Simple 2000 Ultimate Series Vol. 29: K-1 Premium 2005 Dynamite (D3 Publisher) {2005.12.22} - 3.987 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] Shanghai (Success) {2005.12.22} - 2.935 / NEW

Top 50

NDS - 18
PS2 - 18
GBA - 6
PSP - 5
GCN - 3

TOP 100 SOFTWARE

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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |
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|  ALL  |  4.049.935 |  2.166.476 |  2.801.486 |            |            |
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HARDWARE

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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
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| NDS # |    597.628 |    408.770 |    396.674 |  3.761.175 |  1.286.071 |   5.256.768 |
| PSP # |    161.332 |     95.689 |    107.217 |  2.089.969 |    352.295 |   2.572.221 |
|  PS2  |     97.475 |     55.342 |    188.134 |  1.890.200 |  2.553.272 |  18.625.979 |
| GBA # |     55.931 |     33.946 |    194.145 |  1.109.079 |  2.453.610 |  14.899.483 |
|  GCN  |     36.646 |     17.849 |    108.311 |    260.601 |    532.273 |   4.081.010 |
|  360  |      5.674 |      8.623 |            |     58.267 |            |      58.267 |
|  XBX  |        141 |        182 |        704 |     11.896 |     33.264 |     467.211 |
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|  ALL  |    954.827 |    620.401 |    995.185 |  9.181.187 |  7.210.785 |  45.960.939 |
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|  NDS  |    597.628 |    408.770 |    396.674 |  3.761.175 |  1.286.071 |   5.256.768 |
|  PSP  |    161.332 |     95.689 |    107.217 |  2.089.969 |    352.295 |   2.572.221 |
|  GBM  |     19.261 |     14.432 |            |    403.854 |            |     403.854 |
| GBASP |     35.764 |     19.098 |    190.268 |    680.265 |  2.289.337 |   5.676.438 |
|  GBA  |        906 |        416 |      3.877 |     24.960 |    164.273 |   8.819.191 |
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DS success that December wasn't based only on 3-4 games.

BurntPork · Oct 22, 2011

Meanwhile, 3DS's success this holiday WILL be based on 3-4 games, so it doesn't have nearly as much potential. 400-450k is the highest we'll see any week, and most weeks will be <150k.

noobie · Oct 22, 2011

Chris1964 said:
That's not the full chart.

Famitsu Sales: Week 52, 2005 (Dec 19 - Dec 25)

01./00. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II (Square Enix) {2005.12.22} - 737.652 / NEW
02./02. [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) {2005.11.23} - 381.927 / 1.169.757 (+98%)
03./03. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) {2005.12.08} - 285.170 / 669.575 (+78%)
04./00. [PS2] Naruto: Narutimate Hero 3 (Bandai) {2005.12.22} - 194.372 / NEW
05./05. [NDS] Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop (Bandai) {2005.09.15} - 165.494 / 770.391 (+99%)
06./06. [GBA] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team (Pokemon Co.) {2005.11.17} - 150.589 / 517.484 (+88%)
07./07. [NDS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team (Pokemon Co.) {2005.11.17} - 146.214 / 521.380 (+84%)
08./12. [GCN] Mario Party 7 (Nintendo) {2005.11.10} - 103.008 / 329.633 (+137%)
09./15. [NDS] Big Brain Academy (Nintendo) {2005.06.30} - 94.758 / 875.371 (+145%)
10./11. [NDS] Brain Training (Nintendo) {2005.05.19} - 92.713 / 1.011.341 (+102%)
11./10. [GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Gregar / Cybeast Falzar (Capcom) {2005.11.23} - 90.444 / 432.119 (+81%)
12./14. [NDS] Nintendogs: Labrador / Dachshund / Chihuahua & Friends (Nintendo) {2005.04.21} - 88.455 / 965.665 (+121%)
13./00. [PS2] Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (Konami) {2005.12.22} - 73.337 / NEW
14./01. [PS2] Tales of the Abyss (Namco) {2005.12.15} - 71.909 / 440.225 (-80%)
15./21. [NDS] Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime 2 (Square Enix) {2005.12.01} - 68.735 / 176.218 (+118%)
16./20. [GCN] Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen! 4 (Tomy) {2005.11.21} - 64.153 / 233.107 (+102%)
17./24. [NDS] Dragon Ball Z: Supersonic Warriors 2 (Bandai) {2005.12.01} - 63.441 / 165.599 (+116%)
18./23. [NDS] Clubhouse Games (Nintendo) {2005.11.03} - 53.348 / 301.809 (+79%)
19./08. [PS2] Yakuza (Sega) {2005.12.08} - 44.813 / 232.650 (-23%)
20./29. [PS2] Ratchet & Clank: Deadlocked (SCE) {2005.11.23} - 44.768 / 187.773 (+121%)

Top 20

NDS - 10
PS2 - 6
GBA - 2
GCN - 2

SOFTWARE

Code:

------------------------------------------------ |System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | ------------------------------------------------ | NDS | 44,3% | 36,8% | 14,6% | | PS2 | 35,0% | 38,4% | 53,1% | | GBA | 8,9% | 13,5% | 15,9% | | PSP | 6,2% | 5,4% | 6,0% | | GCN | 4,4% | 5,1% | 10,4% | | 360 | 1,2% | 0,7% | 0,0% | ------------------------------------------------

HARDWARE

Code:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | NDS # | 614.748 | 381.776 | 252.919 | 4.002.871 | 1.095.930 | 5.098.801 | | PSP # | 149.825 | 102.555 | 92.515 | 2.225.799 | 339.944 | 2.565.743 | | PS2 | 90.828 | 58.067 | 145.330 | 2.134.863 | 2.750.776 | 18.702.853 | | GBA # | 61.312 | 44.081 | 115.124 | 1.252.756 | 2.574.987 | 15.008.036 | | GCN | 32.422 | 16.760 | 65.695 | 305.000 | 608.163 | 3.913.258 | | 360 | 7.315 | 12.320 | | 81.770 | | 81.770 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ALL | 956.450 | 615.559 | 672.527 | 10.015.803 | 7.405.052 | 45.843.011 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | NDS | 614.748 | 381.776 | 252.919 | 4.002.871 | 1.095.930 | 5.098.801 | | PSP | 149.825 | 102.555 | 92.515 | 2.225.799 | 339.944 | 2.565.743 | | GBM | 20.276 | 19.347 | | 394.845 | | 394.845 | | GBASP | 41.036 | 24.734 | 111.921 | 831.221 | 2.372.455 | 5.636.991 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MARKET VALUE (Millions Yen)

Code:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | H-W | 14.750 | 9.860 | 9.910 | 163.960 | 111.610 | | S-W | 22.970 | 12.010 | 14.850 | 290.760 | 316.440 | | TOT | 37.710 | 21.860 | 24.760 | 454.730 | 428.050 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------

Media Create gives a better picture

Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2005 (Dec 19 - Dec 25)

01./00. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II (Square Enix) {2005.12.22} - 727.591 / NEW
02./02. [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) {2005.11.23} - 416.132 / 1.177.108 (+127%)
03./03. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) {2005.12.08} - 302.742 / 667.799 (+108%)
04./00. [PS2] Naruto: Narutimate Hero 3 (Bandai) {2005.12.22} - 216.966 / NEW
05./07. [NDS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team (Pokemon Co.) {2005.11.17} - 157.786 / 511.704 (+96%)
06./06. [GBA] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team (Pokemon Co.) {2005.11.17} - 156.430 / 512.054 (+85%)
07./05. [NDS] Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop (Bandai) {2005.09.15} - 156.181 / 721.104 (+70%)
08./00. [PS2] Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (Konami) {2005.12.22} - 103.984 / NEW
09./14. [GCN] Mario Party 7 (Nintendo) {2005.11.10} - 100.130 / 319.650
10./08. [NDS] Brain Training (Nintendo) {2005.05.19} - 93.240 / 1.004.681 (+65%)
11./10. [NDS] Big Brain Academy (Nintendo) {2005.06.30} - 79.899 / 852.746 (+67%)
12./18. [NDS] Dragon Ball Z: Supersonic Warriors 2 (Bandai) {2005.12.01}
13./19. [GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Gregar (Capcom) {2005.11.23}
14./25. [NDS] Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime 2 (Square Enix) {2005.12.01}
15./01. [PS2] Tales of the Abyss (Namco) {2005.12.15}
16./23. [GCN] Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen! 4 (Tomy) {2005.11.21}
17./15. [NDS] Clubhouse Games (Nintendo) {2005.11.03}
18./26. [NDS] Mushi King: Greatest Champion DS (Sega) {2005.12.08}
19./24. [GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Falzar (Capcom) {2005.11.23}
20./16. [PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom (Capcom) {2005.12.01} - 43.000
21./28. [NDS] Pokemon Puzzle (Pokemon Co.) {2005.10.20}
22./00. [PSP] Me and My Katamari (Namco) {2005.12.22} - 36.741 / NEW
23./00. [PS2] Prince of Tennis: Prince of School Festival (Konami) {2005.12.22} - 37.000 / NEW <62,71%>
24./29. [NDS] Nintendogs: Labrador & Friends (Nintendo) {2005.04.21}
25./11. [PS2] Yakuza (Sega) {2005.12.08}
26./31. [NDS] Nintendogs: Dachshund & Friends (Nintendo) {2005.04.21}
27./30. [NDS] Nintendogs: Chihuahua & Friends (Nintendo) {2005.04.21}
28./04. [GBA] Final Fantasy IV Advance (Square Enix) {2005.12.15}
29./34. [PS2] Ratchet & Clank: Deadlocked (SCE) {2005.11.23}
30./09. [PS2] Rogue Galaxy (SCE) {2005.12.08}
31./00. [PS2] Need for Speed: Most Wanted (Electronic Arts) {2005.12.22} - 25.313 / NEW
32./22. [PS2] Momotaro Railway 15: Godai Bombie Toujou! no Kan (Hudson) {2005.12.08}
33./32. [GBA] Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble (Nintendo) {2005.12.01}
34./21. [PS2] Resident Evil 4 (Capcom) {2005.12.01}
35./00. [PS2] G1 Jockey 4 (Koei) {2005.12.22}
36./00. [PS2] Jissen Pachislot Secrets! Fist of the North Star CR (Sega) {2005.12.22}
37./43. [NDS] Super Princess Peach (Nintendo) {2005.10.20}
38./12. [PS2] Jissen Pachislot Secrets! Aladdin 2 Evolution (Sega) {2005.12.15}
39./45. [NDS] Power Pro Kun Pocket 8 (Konami) {2005.12.01}
40./39. [GBA] Famicom Mini: Super Mario Bros. - 20th Anniversary Reprint (Nintendo) {2005.09.13}
41./13. [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 12: Final Edition (Konami) {2005.12.15}
42./00. [PS2] Battle Colosseum (NeoGeo Online Collection) (SNK Playmore) {2005.12.22}
43./44. [NDS] Harvest Moon: Colobocle Station for Girls (Marvelous Entertainment) {2005.12.08}
44./35. [GCN] Bleach GC: Tasogare ni Mamieru Shinigami (Sega) {2005.12.08}
45./00. [PSP] Devil Summoner (Atlus Co.) {2005.12.22} - 13.000 / NEW
46./47. [PS2] Taiko Drum Master: The 6th Generation (Namco) {2005.12.08}
47./00. [NDS] Futari wa Precure: Max Heart Danzen! DS de Precure (Bandai) {2005.12.01}
48./33. [PSP] Samurai Warriors: State of War (Koei) {2005.12.08} - 13.000
49./00. [PS2] Eyeshield 21: AmeFoot Yarouze! Ya! Ha! (Konami) {2005.12.22}
50./38. [PSP] Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee (PSP the Best) (SCE) {2005.11.17} - 12.000
00./00. [GBA] Ochainu no Yume Bouken (MTO) {2005.12.22} - 11.642 / NEW
00./00. [PSP] Work Time Fun (SCE) {2005.12.22} - 10.870 / NEW
00./00. [PSP] Need for Speed: Most Wanted (Electronic Arts) {2005.12.22} - 10.163 / NEW
00./00. [PS2] Simple 2000 Series Vol. 90: The Oneechanbara 2 (D3 Publisher) {2005.12.22} - 9.600 / NEW
00./00. [GBA] Animal Yokochou (Konami) {2005.12.22} - 8.115 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] Puyo Puyo Fever 2 (Sega) {2005.12.24} - 8.979 / NEW
00./00. [PS2] Simple 2000 Ultimate Series Vol. 29: K-1 Premium 2005 Dynamite (D3 Publisher) {2005.12.22} - 3.987 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] Shanghai (Success) {2005.12.22} - 2.935 / NEW

Top 50

NDS - 18
PS2 - 18
GBA - 6
PSP - 5
GCN - 3

TOP 100 SOFTWARE

Code:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- |System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ALL | 4.049.935 | 2.166.476 | 2.801.486 | | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------

HARDWARE

Code:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | NDS # | 597.628 | 408.770 | 396.674 | 3.761.175 | 1.286.071 | 5.256.768 | | PSP # | 161.332 | 95.689 | 107.217 | 2.089.969 | 352.295 | 2.572.221 | | PS2 | 97.475 | 55.342 | 188.134 | 1.890.200 | 2.553.272 | 18.625.979 | | GBA # | 55.931 | 33.946 | 194.145 | 1.109.079 | 2.453.610 | 14.899.483 | | GCN | 36.646 | 17.849 | 108.311 | 260.601 | 532.273 | 4.081.010 | | 360 | 5.674 | 8.623 | | 58.267 | | 58.267 | | XBX | 141 | 182 | 704 | 11.896 | 33.264 | 467.211 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ALL | 954.827 | 620.401 | 995.185 | 9.181.187 | 7.210.785 | 45.960.939 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | NDS | 597.628 | 408.770 | 396.674 | 3.761.175 | 1.286.071 | 5.256.768 | | PSP | 161.332 | 95.689 | 107.217 | 2.089.969 | 352.295 | 2.572.221 | | GBM | 19.261 | 14.432 | | 403.854 | | 403.854 | | GBASP | 35.764 | 19.098 | 190.268 | 680.265 | 2.289.337 | 5.676.438 | | GBA | 906 | 416 | 3.877 | 24.960 | 164.273 | 8.819.191 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DS success that December wasn't based only on 3-4 games.

Amazed at the software and hardware numbers.
these are truly some phenomenal numbers..
i hope we get to these impressive levels again soon..

frankie_baby · Oct 22, 2011

BurntPork said:
Meanwhile, 3DS's success this holiday WILL be based on 3-4 games, so it doesn't have nearly as much potential. 400-450k is the highest we'll see any week, and most weeks will be <150k.

But the 3ds does have several other titles that'll sell solidly not just the 3 sure thing million sellers

Boney · Oct 22, 2011

There's also Rocket Slime, Ace Combat, Love Plus and girl's rpg right?

Not saying it'll do a million or anything close, but there's more games than just those 3

Chris1964 · Oct 22, 2011

Boney said:
There's also Rocket Slime, ~~Ace Combat~~, Love Plus and ~~girl's rpg~~ right?

Not saying it'll do a million or anything close, but there's more games than just those 3

Right.

frankie_baby · Oct 22, 2011

Boney said:
There's also Rocket Slime, Ace Combat, Love Plus and girl's rpg right?

Not saying it'll do a million or anything close, but there's more games than just those 3

And gundam and fabstyle and inazuma

Kazerei · Oct 22, 2011

Chris1964 said:
.

Thanks for clearing that up. The DS certainly had a stronger games library going into the 2005 holiday season than the 3DS will. There were some noteworthy games even outside that week's top 50, like SM64DS, Kirby CC, WarioWare, Advance Wars DS, Jump SS, Ouendan, etc. that really solidified the DS library.

Chris1964 · Oct 22, 2011

Since FabStyle is mentioned retailer impressions at the meeting were very bad for the 3D

Predictions

[PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) - 567.890
[WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land (Nintendo) - 210.987
[PS3] The Idolmaster 2 (Bandai Namco Games) - 56.789

Boney · Oct 22, 2011

Chris1964 said:
Right.

oh thought those 2 were holidays, well there's inazuma.
I still think Biggest week will be 500k, but the mon hun launch and the next week will both be pretty good, even with Vita launching

lunchwithyuzo · Oct 22, 2011

Kazerei said:
Thanks for clearing that up. The DS certainly had a stronger games library going into the 2005 holiday season than the 3DS will. There were some noteworthy games even outside that week's top 50, like SM64DS, Kirby CC, WarioWare, Advance Wars DS, Jump SS, Ouendan, etc. that really solidified the DS library.

If you're going back to older releases, 3DS also has more stuff like Nintendogs, Zelda, Layton, etc. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some of them charting come December either.

frankie_baby · Oct 22, 2011

I suppose I better give this a go

[PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) - 389,000
[WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land (Nintendo) - 170,000
[PS3] The Idolmaster 2 (Bandai Namco Games) - 72,000

Kazerei · Oct 22, 2011

lunchwithyuzo said:
If you're going back to older releases, 3DS also has more stuff like Nintendogs, Zelda, Layton, etc. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some of them charting come December either.

Still, not to the extent of the DS library. 3DS software releases have been pretty slow, although that'll change over the next two months.

frankie_baby · Oct 22, 2011

lunchwithyuzo said:
If you're going back to older releases, 3DS also has more stuff like Nintendogs, Zelda, Layton, etc. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some of them charting come December either.

Zelda and nintendogs will be charting for sure, if layton pops up again this week (with the inevitable pink bump) then it could do for the holidays too

Chris1964 · Oct 22, 2011

DS phat can play GBA games, 3DS can play DS games. What were GBA releases in 2005 and what are DS releases in 2011?

test_account · Oct 22, 2011

One million for the 3DS in one week in Japan? That is pretty much impossible indeed. I know that the 3DS holiday lineup is very good, and the 3DS is also the cheapest priced hardware out there. But with the Vita coming up, i just cant see it. I also think that some people might go for a PS3 as well. This is the first holiday season with the 25k yen pricetag. The PS3 installbase is also relatively low, so there are many potential consumers out there who still dont own a PS3.

lunchwithyuzo · Oct 22, 2011

Kazerei said:
Still, not to the extent of the DS library. 3DS software releases have been pretty slow, although that'll change over the next two months.

DS also had 3 more months of releases versus 3DS. And 3DS has digital releases on top of that.

Chris1964 · Oct 23, 2011

December sw and hw sales

1*: Top 100 Software Sales 2005
2*: Top 100 Software Sales 2006
3*: Top 100 Software Sales 2007
4*: Top 100 Software Sales 2008
5*: Software Sales 2009
6*: Software Sales 2010

Orgen · Oct 23, 2011

Predictions:

[PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) - 615.000
[WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land (Nintendo) - 231.000
[PS3] The Idolmaster 2 (Bandai Namco Games) - 108.000

DNF · Oct 23, 2011

Kazerei said:
Thanks for clearing that up. The DS certainly had a stronger games library going into the 2005 holiday season than the 3DS will. There were some noteworthy games even outside that week's top 50, like SM64DS, Kirby CC, WarioWare, Advance Wars DS, Jump SS, Ouendan, etc. that really solidified the DS library.

Regarding the software that was released from nov-dec for ds 2005 it seems a bit stronger than 3ds nov + dec2011.
But what 3ds really seems to lack (as others have already stated) is the evergreen/casual titles that were released before november 2005 and still sold amazing in its second christmas period.
Title Sales 1 Week in Dec'05 Min / Max
Brain Age 1 (2005-05-19) 33.000 / 160.000
Nintendogs (2005-04-21) 19.000 / 88.000
Big Brain Academy (2005-06-30) 24.000 / 94.000
Tamagotchi 47.000 / 165.000

i can't imagine one of the games that are already released for 3ds right now doing this kind of numbers.

lunchwithyuzo said:
DS also had 3 more months of releases versus 3DS. And 3DS has digital releases on top of that.

+ this was already ds second christmas

donny2112 · Oct 23, 2011

I think 3DS could have four straight weeks (or maybe 3/4) > 400K, which would top DS, but it won't have a 1m week.

Dec 5-11, 2011 - MH3G's release + bundle
Dec 12-18, 2011 - Probably down from previous, but not by a lot considering New Year's runup. See MHP3/PSP sales in Dec-2010. (this could be a < 400K week)
Dec 19-25, 2011 - Biggest week of year, usually
Dec 26, 2011-Jan 1, 2012 - Historically down from previous week a bit

DS probably would've had three straight > 400K weeks if it weren't for shortages the week of BT2's release.

Pooya · Oct 24, 2011

Prediction League (October 24 - 30)

[PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) - 612,000
[WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land (Nintendo) - 176,000
[PS3] The Idolmaster 2 (Bandai Namco Games) - 83,000

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