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Media Create Sales: Week 48, 2011 (Nov 28 - Dec 04)
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Depending on Vita's first shipment it could totally happen.
Ridleyscott
Banned
Nintendo doesn't want to make New Legend of Zelda, that is why they haven't done it. they want to make garbage whimsical 3D Zelda with some super cheesy story for 3yos. They didn't want to make NSMB either. NSMB could have been a big-budget game but it wasn't - they put a lot of work into it but not as much attention as they did with Galaxy. why not?
Zelda is an Action/RPG - that is how it started. In another post I actually quoted NOA about this (but since the search has been disabled I can't find it). It appealed to hardcore gamers and new/"casual" gamers. Zelda never had anything to do with puzzles. There are ZERO puzzles in the first two games. Adventure games have puzzles - like Myst, The dig, Mission Critical, etc. That is what they turned Zelda into. they mixed some of the action elements and the Zelda paint in with an NPC-Babel-on, Tutorial Quest, Puzzle game with dumb as hell gimmicks like Trains, boats, Skylofts, etc.. It sucks and it won't sell anymore - this game will not sell over 3 million. BOMB! a 5 year BOMB! And I am so glad because maybe Aonuma will finally get fired, Miyamoto has already been forced into "retirement" and we will finally get what we deserve out of Zelda, Mario(3D Mario also bombed), and Metroid (Also bombed). but its disappointing because I expect a lot from these games, but it isn't there.
All of Nintendo's franchises are bombing because they have veered off into whacky directions with their games that have no basis in the roots of the franchises. Zelda gameplay doesn't get old that you need to mask it in cutscenes and gimmick and simplify everything for morons. Its a wonder they didn't include a how-to DVD with SS.
Look at this crap... seriously? who are you marketing this too? what are they thinking? What is going through there minds? "what should the enemies look like?" "Holly-shit, f-yeah, that!" This is the epitome of the entire Zelda franchise at this point. The game is like an animated drag-queen contest for toddlers.
Zelda is an Action/RPG - that is how it started. In another post I actually quoted NOA about this (but since the search has been disabled I can't find it). It appealed to hardcore gamers and new/"casual" gamers. Zelda never had anything to do with puzzles. There are ZERO puzzles in the first two games. Adventure games have puzzles - like Myst, The dig, Mission Critical, etc. That is what they turned Zelda into. they mixed some of the action elements and the Zelda paint in with an NPC-Babel-on, Tutorial Quest, Puzzle game with dumb as hell gimmicks like Trains, boats, Skylofts, etc.. It sucks and it won't sell anymore - this game will not sell over 3 million. BOMB! a 5 year BOMB! And I am so glad because maybe Aonuma will finally get fired, Miyamoto has already been forced into "retirement" and we will finally get what we deserve out of Zelda, Mario(3D Mario also bombed), and Metroid (Also bombed). but its disappointing because I expect a lot from these games, but it isn't there.
All of Nintendo's franchises are bombing because they have veered off into whacky directions with their games that have no basis in the roots of the franchises. Zelda gameplay doesn't get old that you need to mask it in cutscenes and gimmick and simplify everything for morons. Its a wonder they didn't include a how-to DVD with SS.
Because it was a game that was supposed to feel threatening and dangerous.
Look at this crap... seriously? who are you marketing this too? what are they thinking? What is going through there minds? "what should the enemies look like?" "Holly-shit, f-yeah, that!" This is the epitome of the entire Zelda franchise at this point. The game is like an animated drag-queen contest for toddlers.
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware (Nintendo) - 350000
[3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go: Shine/Dark (Level 5) - 150000
[PS3] PlayStation 3 Hardware (SCE) - 100000
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 (Square Enix) - 800000
[PSV] Playstation Vita Hardware (SCE) - 200000
[PSV] Minna no Golf 6 (Hot Shots Golf) (SCE) - 40000
[PSV] Uncharted: Golden Abyss (SCE) - 65000
[PSV] Dynasty Warriors Next (Koei Tecmo) - 35000
[3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go: Shine/Dark (Level 5) - 150000
[PS3] PlayStation 3 Hardware (SCE) - 100000
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 (Square Enix) - 800000
[PSV] Playstation Vita Hardware (SCE) - 200000
[PSV] Minna no Golf 6 (Hot Shots Golf) (SCE) - 40000
[PSV] Uncharted: Golden Abyss (SCE) - 65000
[PSV] Dynasty Warriors Next (Koei Tecmo) - 35000
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Really, that's all you chose to respond from my post? Why do you pretend to even try when all you end up doing is going on near incomprehensible self serving rants? And no, it only seemed like that to you because you were like 8 years old or whatever. And lol @ including Zelda II now. The whole point of II was to make a game that was fundamentally different to the original Zelda with an almost all new team yet now you pretend they're both under the same principles against every later game, neat.
And um, all of Nintendo's franchises are bombing, what?
In what world is this happening? Mario Kart, and Mario 3D Land are doing well. Zelda isn't doing well in Japan but it's been the fastest selling Zelda in the US.
wtf?
This is the epitome of the entire Zelda franchise at this point. The game is like an animated drag-queen contest for toddlers.
Kinda funny that those techno-moblins are from one of the better parts of Skyward Sword
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
He wouldn't know, he's on a boycott.
Nintendo doesn't want to make New Legend of Zelda, that is why they haven't done it. they want to make garbage whimsical 3D Zelda with some super cheesy story for 3yos. They didn't want to make NSMB either. NSMB could have been a big-budget game but it wasn't - they put a lot of work into it but not as much attention as they did with Galaxy. why not?
Zelda is an Action/RPG - that is how it started. In another post I actually quoted NOA about this (but since the search has been disabled I can't find it). It appealed to hardcore gamers and new/"casual" gamers. Zelda never had anything to do with puzzles. There are ZERO puzzles in the first two games. Adventure games have puzzles - like Myst, The dig, Mission Critical, etc. That is what they turned Zelda into. they mixed some of the action elements and the Zelda paint in with an NPC-Babel-on, Tutorial Quest, Puzzle game with dumb as hell gimmicks like Trains, boats, Skylofts, etc.. It sucks and it won't sell anymore - this game will not sell over 3 million. BOMB! a 5 year BOMB! And I am so glad because maybe Aonuma will finally get fired, Miyamoto has already been forced into "retirement" and we will finally get what we deserve out of Zelda, Mario(3D Mario also bombed), and Metroid (Also bombed). but its disappointing because I expect a lot from these games, but it isn't there.
All of Nintendo's franchises are bombing because they have veered off into whacky directions with their games that have no basis in the roots of the franchises. Zelda gameplay doesn't get old that you need to mask it in cutscenes and gimmick and simplify everything for morons. Its a wonder they didn't include a how-to DVD with SS.
Because it was a game that was supposed to feel threatening and dangerous.
Look at this crap... seriously? who are you marketing this too? what are they thinking? What is going through there minds? "what should the enemies look like?" "Holly-shit, f-yeah, that!" This is the epitome of the entire Zelda franchise at this point. The game is like an animated drag-queen contest for toddlers.
If this isn't a joke post; you are insane.
EDIT: The technoblins are cool man. Nintendo being quirky is why I've always liked them. I think the technoblins are a nice juxtaposition of the idealised pastoral we see in Zelda; a nod to the fact we are playing these mythical ethereal games on circuit boards and reflective discs. If you were to look at Zelda's prior to Twilight Princess, elements and weapons mostly used primitive technology or magic, in Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword we see a deeper engagement with more modern ideas of technology with less of a focus on magic. I think sometimes it works (technoblins) and sometimes it doesn't (Goron mines). I think Nintendo is just trying to more rationally cope with general ideas about science and technology that are ever more present in our lives today (at least through media exposure, the internet and a better general knowledge of materiality) hence shying away from magic, concepts that aren't central to modern rational thought. --- well possibly. Any other ideas about why Nintendo would prefer mechanical process over 'magic'? Sorry for going OT.
Ridleyscott
Banned
Mario Kart has remained true to its roots... Mario 3D land is not doing well. It is on target for about 3-4 million. NSMB DS sold almost 30 million. 3D Land is going to perform like all the other 3D marios.
Yeah, because you just posted a bunch of one-liners with no context to the quoted comments. The characters were designed to make the gamer fear challenging them and the ability of those characters to damage you backed that up as well. I'm not saying the characters gave people nightmares cause they were 5-8. those games are still hard, they are much more difficult than current zeldas. the first two zeldas were only different in their presentation but not their gameplay as action/rpgs. That remained. that is not there now. the paint is there but the gameplay and specific type of experience is not.
You are ready for becoming BurntPork's best friend.
Holiday deals. Ni no Kuni joined the club.
3DS is on sale?
Does it need to be on sale?
in before "THEY'RE CLEARING STOCK FOR THE REVISION DURR"
3DS still the same price as the PSP, wow.Holiday deals. Ni no Kuni joined the club.
Looking through the predictions, it looks like the majority here are predicting it.
Everyone should do what they're good at.
3Dland is selling pretty well...
Also, NMSB was released 2 years after the DS launched. 3Dland is within the 3DS's first year. NSMB also sold consistently throughout its lifetime...there's nothing that presently suggests 3Dland wont do the same. It's unlikely that it'll sell as well as NSMB, but you can't possibly think that 25+mil is an attainable goal for any game, even mario, simply by staying "true to its roots." Keep in mind Galaxy sold a little over a million in it's entire lifetime in Japan and 3Dland will probably attain similar numbers by the end of the year. 3Dland is on track to perform much better than Galaxy which sold close to 10mil worldwide. How the heck is that considered doing poorly?
Also, how did you come to the conclusion that 3Dland doesn't stay "true to its roots." What is your rational, cogent argument to support such a claim?
People like RidleyScott and BurntPork breath new life into the Media Create threads. We should not chase them away, but embrace the uniqueness they bring to the threads!
Looool.
I just hope he's played 3D Dot Game Heroes, it does sound like *exactly* what he wants.
Nintendo doesn't want to make New Legend of Zelda, that is why they haven't done it. they want to make garbage whimsical 3D Zelda with some super cheesy story for 3yos. They didn't want to make NSMB either. NSMB could have been a big-budget game but it wasn't - they put a lot of work into it but not as much attention as they did with Galaxy. why not?
Zelda is an Action/RPG - that is how it started. In another post I actually quoted NOA about this (but since the search has been disabled I can't find it). It appealed to hardcore gamers and new/"casual" gamers. Zelda never had anything to do with puzzles. There are ZERO puzzles in the first two games. Adventure games have puzzles - like Myst, The dig, Mission Critical, etc. That is what they turned Zelda into. they mixed some of the action elements and the Zelda paint in with an NPC-Babel-on, Tutorial Quest, Puzzle game with dumb as hell gimmicks like Trains, boats, Skylofts, etc.. It sucks and it won't sell anymore - this game will not sell over 3 million. BOMB! a 5 year BOMB! And I am so glad because maybe Aonuma will finally get fired, Miyamoto has already been forced into "retirement" and we will finally get what we deserve out of Zelda, Mario(3D Mario also bombed), and Metroid (Also bombed). but its disappointing because I expect a lot from these games, but it isn't there.
All of Nintendo's franchises are bombing because they have veered off into whacky directions with their games that have no basis in the roots of the franchises. Zelda gameplay doesn't get old that you need to mask it in cutscenes and gimmick and simplify everything for morons. Its a wonder they didn't include a how-to DVD with SS.
Because it was a game that was supposed to feel threatening and dangerous.
Look at this crap... seriously? who are you marketing this too? what are they thinking? What is going through there minds? "what should the enemies look like?" "Holly-shit, f-yeah, that!" This is the epitome of the entire Zelda franchise at this point. The game is like an animated drag-queen contest for toddlers.
Wowwwwww...
Mods, never ban this guy, please. We need amazing entertainment like this in our Media Create threads now.
No it's not. it's still dooooomed.
And at first I was surprised to see AC:R so high, but then I saw how much it sold...
Exterminieren
Banned
Monster Hunter?
Taken from |OT|
Oh, here we go.
test_account
XP-39C²
Is this common prices in Japan now? If so, 3DS at only 12k Yen.. going to be huge sales.Holiday deals. Ni no Kuni joined the club.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Predictions
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware (Nintendo) - 415,000
[3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go: Shine/Dark (Level 5) - 147,000
[PS3] PlayStation 3 Hardware (SCE) - 83,000
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 (Square Enix) - 923,000
[PSV] Playstation Vita Hardware (SCE) - 225,000
[PSV] Minna no Golf 6 (Hot Shots Golf) (SCE) - 87,000
[PSV] Uncharted: Golden Abyss (SCE) - 49,000
[PSV] Dynasty Warriors Next (Koei Tecmo) - 68,000
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware (Nintendo) - 415,000
[3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go: Shine/Dark (Level 5) - 147,000
[PS3] PlayStation 3 Hardware (SCE) - 83,000
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 (Square Enix) - 923,000
[PSV] Playstation Vita Hardware (SCE) - 225,000
[PSV] Minna no Golf 6 (Hot Shots Golf) (SCE) - 87,000
[PSV] Uncharted: Golden Abyss (SCE) - 49,000
[PSV] Dynasty Warriors Next (Koei Tecmo) - 68,000
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
420,000 upper limit. Such a shame, it's gonna suffer mass shortages and sell out in the first day or two.
Lower limit (for shipments)
Does Japan have a history of second shipments on the first day?
Or maybe I read your post wrong?
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
That would be a miracle if they could get 3DS cards printed that quickly! (I still remember what happened to FF3 DS...)
They might already have more printed.
Who says the second shipment isn' t already printed?
We might get first day sales from Famitsu on Monday, like we did for MK7.
Before the day ends in Japan we'll know how well it did.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Then what's the point of holding back? They'd still have foot the bill if they don't sell out of that shipment anyway!
They don't want to put too much stock out and have to sell at bargain pricing. A sell out will create demand whereas too many left on the shelf will give the impression of a flop. That's what I think.
NeonZ
Member
Zelda is in a very different position from Mario though. There was never a big line of 2d Zelda games following the style of the first game showing its permanent appeal. Also, even though the first game sold the most in Japan, that isn't true for worldwide results. So, there just isn't such a big market that could potentially answer to a Zelda 1 style game compared to standard games.
Even if we look exclusively at Japan, it's clear that Zelda was never as mainstream as Mario if we compare their sales. The lack of a series of titles in the style of the first one with similar sales results, and a big drop off after the "style change", also put into question the idea that there's a big unexplored market wanting to buy Zelda. Even NSMB, in the end, still sold worse than SMB.
Look at Fire Emblem. The first game for the DS followed the gameplay of the first title, dumping most of modern baggage of the series, yet it still failed to sell anywhere close to the original Fire Emblem. Now, it still sold well, IIRC, better than previous handheld entries (in Japan, of course, apparently it wasn't successful worldwide) but that just shows that the audience for some games can just disappear. Personally, I highly doubt there's much of a market for a game like the original Zelda these days.
I think what's hurting recent Zelda games are Nintendo's attempts to make it accessible - huge tutorials and introduction segments don't make a game easier to get into. Now, Skyward Sword was probably flawed from its basic concept in a way - the advanced motion controls make it actually less accessible than standard buttons and so the tutorials were needed for once. However, Zelda really shouldn't continue in that path. Streamline the gameplay, get rid of all the useless "tutorial" baggage and make the gameplay faster. I think that's what Zelda needs. A return to the original game might have a minor positive effect in Japan, but it certainly wouldn't do much worldwide.
Because it's better to have a steady flow of shipments while maintaining a high sellthrough, than not.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Oh yeah, good point. Forgot about what happened to Tri. Here's hoping that's the case!