frankie_baby
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I wish I could remember what I put in my prediction though I do think even I overshot it
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Media Create Sales: Week 50, 2011 (Dec 12 - Dec 18)
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I'd be pretty worried honestly.
Unless something has changed recently:
1.) It's PS3 exclusive.
2.) It's an action RPG (and thus likely to go over less well in Japan than the mainline entries).
3.) It's still a spin-off.
4.) It has character designs not likely to go over well in the West.
5.) The game looked really, really janky gameplay wise the last time they showed it off.
6.) It's in a series that isn't exactly winning hearts and minds right now.
That's not exactly the winning combo I would want to be releasing right now, given that it seems quite risky no matter what region I'm releasing it.
But COMGNET!
Sho_Nuff82
Member
I agree that Western sales will be the determining factor for the future of the franchise. But I must stress that FFXIII-2 is launching into a post-Skyrim marketplace (and a marketplace where Dark Souls did exceptionally well for a "JRPG") and I fully expect Skryim legacy sales and Mass Effect 3 preorders to have an influence on its launch in late January/early February.
WW shipments may end up under 3 million. If Square can consistently produce quality FF titles at a 2 year clip, those kinds of numbers would probably be acceptable. If it takes half a decade, there's just no way. If versus XIII opens at 500k it would be a complete disaster.
Yes, as part of the COMGNET DEFENSE FORCE I must point point out that this result was pretty accurately predicted by COMGNET.
Cosmonaut X
Member
Heh - charlequin is usually great about giving credit when someone hits it on the head. I'm sure duckroll will be in too ;-)
frankie_baby
Member
Just checked my prediction entry and I put 590k I really wish I hadn't put an extra bit just for the sake of it now
When duckroll will see the results, he just won't care about it due to IE low debut: it will party for that, forgetting about Final Fiasco XIII (good one, Orgen! ).
I'm not sure if I ever posted it in these threads, but I'm feeling pretty good about my "FFXIII-2 would be just about the worst decision they could make for the health of the brand" prediction from way back before they announced it.
To be fair to charlequin, he agreed with me when I did, though it seems it was even worse for it than either of us could have predicted.
To be fair to charlequin, he agreed with me when I did, though it seems it was even worse for it than either of us could have predicted.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
At least they ended in it a cliffhanger for XIII-3
If this was three years ago I would agree.
And if we solely talk about their outfits, I would still agree.
However, I think Noctis in particular is still a bit of a hard sell.
If we played as this guy, I think it would go over well though: http://i.imgur.com/W1ccU.jpg
third time's the charm
frankie_baby
Member
Coming soon for 99p on the app store
Did they really? Oh boy....
As someone who finds the art direction in 13/13-2 kind of insufferable, I think I get the argument for Versus. The modern/urban setting alone makes up for a lot of the Nomura-ness in my eyes, anyway.
Yeah, I do agree that it's an easier sell for sure.
It's just something I still feel is more "less of a negative" than "a positive".
Like I said the other day, can't blame them to try, after all FFXI was a HUGE success for the company.
Also, MH3G bomb comfirmed, barely managed to break 200k? lawl.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Based on what I gathered from the ending, it would be extremely difficult to conclude the story quickly so making it DLC would be tough.
But that's probably their only choice at this point.
They really painted themselves into a corner. I wonder why they thought FFXIII as a trilogy would work.
I think it was due to production schedules.
They want to finish a game every two years. It's very hard to make something entirely new in that timeframe until they finish Luminous and thus have a content creation pipeline that can make tons of high quality content in a short period of time.
And even then, the way we get sequels out in two years in the West is generally by using the previous game as a base.
Hmm, yeah. When you put it that way, I agree.
I thought the point of making the Vita so powerful was to enable easy PS3 ports? Of course they'll be not perfect ports but still be close enough.
Anyway, I wouldn't bring Versus to Vita either. Splits sales, confuses people.
But considering how Kitase has said in an recent interview that FFXV might be an action RPG it'd make a lot of sense to rename Versus to XV. If they want to take the series there anyway they might as well start with the game that was probably supposed to test the waters.
kobashi100
Banned
Zelda on Wii is dead!
What will Nintendo do regarding Zelda on Wii U??
What will Nintendo do regarding Zelda on Wii U??
Probably continue focusing on the West.
I think they're willing to accept some of their franchises being regional in the same way that they don't release Friend Collection abroad.
really... their marketing sure shows this they knew it themselves too. I wonder what happened, how they thought that was a good idea when deciding this. specially for west, I think it will be very bad.
I'm 10 hours in, not really feeling these characters so far as I expected.
I think XIII-2 will bomb ever harder in the west.
XIII managed to sell because of the brand and from being hyped for 5 years and for being the only big console RPG this generation, but the backlash is huge and hurt both the brand and further damaged people's attitude towards JRPGs in general
Retro Studios hopefully.
Yep and I think SS bombing in Europe scared them more actually since OOT3D showed there's still much interest in the franchise just not in Skyward Sword.
Is the tutorial over yet?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Yeah, Versus has bomb written all over it, especially considering how many years it's been in development and the cost associated with that. Just name it XV
frankie_baby
Member
I'm pretty certain they'll go back to the twilight princess "realistic" art style, anything else is up in the air
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Just to keep things in perspective, between PS2 and 360, FFXI sold about 250k total in Japan. I'm pretty sure DQX at least can best that, FFXIV 2.0 might too. The challenge for both games is going to be outside Japan imo.
lol, it's over very early in the game, you get access to pretty much everything very early this time.
I'm pretty sure FF13 sold around 1.3 million the first month in USA. About 800K on PS3 and 500K on 360. This is a lot of disappointed people. I bought FF13 on day one, quit after 7 hours because the game is garbage. No interest in the sequel. Will be interesting to see how big the fall is for FF13-2, if we get numbers.
I believe FF13 sucking will affect FF13-2 sales more than Skyrim and ME3.
I believe FF13 sucking will affect FF13-2 sales more than Skyrim and ME3.
Maybe they'll give it to Retro like they did with Metroid which wasn't popular in Japan.
Yes, i've read that thread before anyone link it.
frankie_baby
Member
If anything shouldn't the 13 backlash be even greater in the West seeing as half the western gamers bought the poor 360 port?
Just like Mario and Mario Kart saw a massive increase in popularity due to how the console was groomed, there's reason to believe that Zelda would have an adverse effect, especially this late in the Wii's life.
It's a huge bomb, but if Wii U isn't a spectacular failure, I expect Zelda to perform better on it.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Friend Collection has never been released in the West. Zelda on the other hand has proven to be a successful IP within Japan, I don't think any company is willing to just let that go.
Oh and it truly seems that the number 13 is unlucky.
Good, every other answer would have been really depressing.
DXB-KNIGHT
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slaughterking
Member
I don't think the quality of the 360 port will be an issue. I could see the western audience generally being less forgiving when it comes to bad JRPGs, though, and therefore rejecting the sequel even harder than Japan did.
i would buy it
JoshuaJSlone
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http://garaph.info/softwareindividual.php//gid/5354
Saving you a click, though, we've only got the first week number before it fell out of sight, and probably won't get anything more from it until we get the 2011 Top 1000 list next year. First week, Famitsu has it at 17,642. This is a step up from XII's first week of 12,507.