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[DarkLordMalik]

I don't think it should be exclusive but I disagree with the fact that being handheld exclusive would absolutely keep the series from growing.

Despite its mediocre performance in the west, the 3DS was still a very good platform for japanese franchises in the west. So while I don't think the NX will be as successful (although it's hard to say since we barely know anything about it), it's still possible that it'll be a good platform for that kind of game in the future.

Which is what I am saying here. Instead of betting the future of a franchise on a platform that has to prove itself, why not focus on making a multiplatform game with the ones that are already successful?

 

[Pennywise83]

Which is what I am saying here. Instead of betting the future of a franchise on a platform that has to prove itself, why not focus on making a multiplatform game with the ones that are already successful?

Isn't what Square Enix did with the FF franchise and all othe jRPGs on PS4?

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Isn't what Square Enix did with the FF franchise and all othe jRPGs on PS4?

The best selling platform getting the support is nowhere a risky move. What is the alternative here?

Also I have explained again these PS4 exclusive will end up on other platforms at the end of the day. So there's that.

 

[Pennywise83]

The best selling platform getting the support is nowhere a risky move. What is the alternative here?

Also I have explained again these PS4 exclusive will end up on other platforms at the end of the day. So there's that.

Square Enix invested in PS4 well before PS4 was released, though. After all, the chicken-and-egg problem is always present in two-sided markets - but this is true for all platform owners, not just Nintendo.

 

[Orgen]

So is the SMT V for PS4 the new Persona 5 for 3DS?

FFVII: R and DQXI are both "open world" RPGs and are not limited in scope. There is no way any handheld can run them anytime soon. Downporting and optimization is not easier and will always require significant investment.

You know that DQXI is going to launch (at least) in one handheld, right?

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Yodobashi:

- Monster Hunter X new stock survived the weekend, it's fully available at every store
- Splatoon, Mario Maker and Sumikko Gurashi are out of stock
- Splatoon and Mario Maker bundles are out of stock
- Animal Crossing HHD has low stock

And your point is? Persona 4: Golden was also the best selling entry in the series, not just in Japan, but worldwide. Yet Persona 5 is on PS3/PS4 and the only other Persona game that Atlus released was P4: DAN.

It's different because Persona is known for being released first on consoles then handhelds. But you are right to think that SMT can move back to consoles, though it's unlikeable to happen.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Square Enix invested in PS4 well before PS4 was released, though. After all, the chicken-and-egg problem is always present in two-sided markets - but this is true for all platform owners, not just Nintendo.

I don't remember these games getting announced for the PS4 before its release? It wasn't until the PS4 started selling like hot cakes that we saw a lot this support, but it was clear that some of them were targeting cross-generation like Star Ocean 5, or multiplatform, like FFXV and KH3.

You know that DQXI is going to launch (at least) in one handheld, right?

Sure. That handheld version can come to NX, no doubt. We are talking about the PS4 version though, which may as well be an entirely different game.

 

[Sandfox]

Yodobashi:

- Monster Hunter X new stock survived the weekend, it's fully available at every store
- Splatoon, Mario Maker and Sumikko Gurashi are out of stock
- Splatoon and Mario Maker bundles are out of stock
- Animal Crossing HHD has low stock


It's different because Persona is known for being released first on consoles then handhelds. But you are right to think that SMT can move back to consoles, though it's unlikeable to happen.

Nintendo really underestimated how much product they would be moving.

 

[Kid Ying]

Maybe now the people who want splatoon will have no choice but to buy the only bundle available: #FE.

lol

 

[Oregano]

Maybe now the people who want splatoon will have no choice but to buy the only bundle available: #FE.

lol

Kimishima: Checkmate

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Isn't what Square Enix did with the FF franchise and all othe jRPGs on PS4?

No.
Final Fantasy has been on Playstation home consoles since for nearly 20 years now. The global FF fanbase knows this and has been built on this. In addition, PS4 is doing incredibly well. FF and KH were obviously going to be on PS4 and it should come to no surprise that jrpg's like Nier and Star Ocean will also be on the platform..

 

[L~A]

It's official now, Splatoon Bundle is sold out (forever). It was a limited print, and it won't be restocked again.

Sold out in Bic Camera and Yodobashi Camera. Other stores are selling their last units.

I guess Nintendo's plan was to sell the bundle the whole holiday season, but it ran out earlier than expected.

Heh? By "limited", I think everyone expected it to mean "only during the holidays". No idea why they could not ship more units... I mean, it's just standard Wii U with pre-installed Splatoon. Shouldn't be hard to have new shipments for Christmas/New Year, especially since they must have seen it coming.

So yeah, again, Nintendo knew what they were doing when they priced that bundle.

 

[Pennywise83]

No.
Final Fantasy has been on Playstation home consoles since for nearly 20 years now. The global FF fanbase knows this and has been built on this. In addition, PS4 is doing incredibly well. FF and KH were obviously going to be on PS4 and it should come to no surprise that jrpg's like Nier and Star Ocean will also be on the platform..

It is always a risky investment to develop games for a platform that has yet to be released, no matter the legacy of previous platforms (see Wii, early PS3, N64) - one might say it is less risky with respect to alternatives, but we have yet to see how PS4 is able to sustain jRPGs worlwide.

I don't remember these games getting announced for the PS4 before its release? It wasn't until the PS4 started selling like hot cakes that we saw a lot this support, but it was clear that some of them were targeting cross-generation like Star Ocean 5, or multiplatform, like FFXV and KH3.

FFXV and KHIII were announced before the platform was released. Many other games likely started to be developed before it was clear PS4 will have succeeded by a wide margin (DQXI, DQH, SO5, all portings / remasters).

 

[noshten]

It's official now, Splatoon Bundle is sold out (forever). It was a limited print, and it won't be restocked again.

Sold out in Bic Camera and Yodobashi Camera. Other stores are selling their last units.

I guess Nintendo's plan was to sell the bundle the whole holiday season, but it ran out earlier than expected.

Yodobashi:

- Monster Hunter X new stock survived the weekend, it's fully available at every store
- Splatoon, Mario Maker and Sumikko Gurashi are out of stock
- Splatoon and Mario Maker bundles are out of stock
- Animal Crossing HHD has low stock

Well if Nintendo really wants to promote FE/SMT, they should give a download code of Splatoon for whoever buys the game.
Still I'm surprised that they underestimated both SMM and Splatoon bundle hype - it appears both are now out of stock on Amazon as well. The classic Wii U is moving up the charts now wonder if it might have an effect on the limited FE/SMT bundle if that has some stock left over.

Do any of you expect a Smash/Splatoon or MK8/Splatoon bundle in Japan after December - similar to the ones in Europe or the US?

 

[Aostia]

They can always try again. Square Enix is doing that with Dragon Quest, why not Atlus?


Which PS4 games will fit for the NX though, if it is a handheld? The bigger ones, I already expect to remain on NX, like MonHun, Pokemon and Yo-kai Watch.

People are talking about FFVII: R which sounds crazy to me because if NX is a handheld, I don't see it. Same applies to the PS4 version of DQXI. A game like Project Setsuna and WoFF will likely end up on NX. Basically any of the Vita/PS4 release should be plausible but not something like FFVII: R and DQXI. I only listed them because they are the ones that are brought into discussion when it comes to NX.

If it was not clear before, I am talking about NX as a handheld, not a console. Because lets face it, if NX is a console, it is already dead in Japan.

I don't know how we could do lists in this very moment, but as I can't stand the "NX everithing port" discussion, I'd say the same for a vague and generic "PS4 everything port" discussion too.
If you say that some games can go multiplat on both direction (as SMT to PS4 and WoFF to NX) while others will stay exclusive (as YW or FFVII remake) I agree.

If the discussion is: FFVII WILL BE ON NX too or SMTV WILL BE ON PS4 too, and that's all, I'd disagree.

I remember having tried to setup a discussion on what possible changes (in terrms of IPs) there could be about Japanese games if (IF) there will be no Sony handheld in the future and if )IF) the NX will be an actual 3DS successor, and even if I don't remember exactly the single franchises I think that the general assumption that many games can became NX/PS4 multiplat games could be shared by many.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

If the discussion is: FFVII WILL BE ON NX too or SMTV WILL BE ON PS4 too, and that's all, I'd disagree.

Do you think SMT V will mostly resemble SMT IV/Final, or Persona 5?

 

[sörine]

The best selling platform getting the support is nowhere a risky move. What is the alternative here?

You say that as if PS4 by any metric could be considered the best selling platform in Japan? It's currently PlayStation 4th Place ltd.

Sure. That handheld version can come to NX, no doubt. We are talking about the PS4 version though, which may as well be an entirely different game.

They won't port the 3DS version (custom engine, dual screen 2D/3D setup), what's the point in that? You can be sure it'll be the big beautiful easily portable UE4 version.

 

[Orniletter]

So is the SMT V for PS4 the new Persona 5 for 3DS?

More like the new mainline Monster Hunter on PS4 .

Edit: I never got why people treat DQ XI PS4 as this unportable, ultra high end game that...absolutely no handheld under any circumstances could run.

Yeah, it's a pretty game. But come on. It doesn't look that high end at all (the scale is rather....PS3-esque).

 

[DarkLordMalik]

FFXV and KHIII were announced before the platform was released. Many other games likely started to be developed before it was clear PS4 will have succeeded by a wide margin (DQXI, DQH, SO5, all portings / remasters).

You completely missed my point.

FFXV and KH 3 were announced for PS4/XBO, not as PS4 exclusive. Which is my point here again. SE wasn't even confident that they will sell it on PS4 alone and they made it PS4/XBO before the console even launched.

Once the console was out and started selling like hot cakes, they announced KH II.8 and were confident enough to make it PS4 exclusive, ignoring even XBO let alone PS3.

DQH, SO5 are cross-platform so not sure why you are mentioning it here. They just reinforce my point that SE wasn't confident of PS4 sales, like they are now.

It is also pretty clear from DQXI that it was initially in development for the 3DS and that has received the most attention. I'd argue that the 3DS version is the lead platform here while they developed the PS4 version for the purpose of Western markets and to later port it to other platforms down the line. It won't remain PS4 exclusive.

I don't know how we could do lists in this very moment, but as I can't stand the "NX everithing port" discussion, I'd say the same for a vague and generic "PS4 everything port" discussion too.
If you say that some games can go multiplat on both direction (as SMT to PS4 and WoFF to NX) while others will stay exclusive (as YW or FFVII remake) I agree.

If the discussion is: FFVII WILL BE ON NX too or SMTV WILL BE ON PS4 too, and that's all, I'd disagree.

I remember having tried to setup a discussion on what possible changes (in terrms of IPs) there could be about Japanese games if (IF) there will be no Sony handheld in the future and if )IF) the NX will be an actual 3DS successor, and even if I don't remember exactly the single franchises I think that the general assumption that many games can became NX/PS4 multiplat games could be shared by many.

It is the bolded.

You say that as if PS4 by any metric could be considered the best selling platform in Japan? It's currently PlayStation 4th Place ltd.

It will soon become the best selling and most revelant platform after Wii U is dead and dusted, which is next year. The future of NX depends on what direction they take with it so I can't comment on it. But an NX console will be dead in Japan.

They won't port the 3DS version (custom engine, dual screen 2D/3D setup), what's the point in that? You can be sure it'll be the big beautiful easily portable UE4 version.

Let me know once we have an "easily portable" open world RPG running on a Smartphone. I can't wait for DQXI on Smartphones and NX. Same with FFVII: Remake

 

[sörine]

It will soon become the best selling and most revelant platform after Wii U is dead and dusted, which is next year. The future of NX depends on what direction they take with it so I can't comment on it. But an NX console will be dead in Japan.

Every console is dead in Japan, that was sort of my point. Saying it's natural all Japanese 3rd parties would support the market leader, and then trying to extend that logic to PS4 just doesn't wash.

Let me know once we have an "easily portable" open world RPG running on a Smartphone. I can't wait for DQXI on Smartphones and NX. Same with FFVII: Remake

I'm not sure why you're so hung up on "open world" but even 3DS has games like Xenoblade or DQVIII and it's comparable to like 2008 era smartphones. DQXI HD looks like a slightly nicer PS3 game more or less too, it's not exactly cutting edge visually.

Do you also think DQX NX will be the streaming 3DS version?

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Every console is dead in Japan, that was sort of my point. Saying it's natural all Japanese 3rd parties would support the market leader, and then trying to extend that logic to PS4 just doesn't wash.

Dead in Japan but not in the West. Judging from how quick these projects were announced for localization, I am not sure Japan was the top priority here.

I'm not sure why you're so hung up on "open world" but even 3DS has games like Xenoblade or DQVIII and it's comparable to like 2008 era smartphones. DQXI HD looks like a slightly nicer PS3 game more or less too, it's not exactly cutting edge visually.

Do you also think DQX NX will be the streaming 3DS version?

LOL. I don't even know how to respond to the bolded

DQX isn't that demanding considering it runs on a Wii. It won't have any trouble running on NX.

 

[The Last One]

Every console is dead in Japan, that was sort of my point. Saying it's natural all Japanese 3rd parties would support the market leader, and then trying to extend that logic to PS4 just doesn't wash.


I'm not sure why you're so hung up on "open world" but even 3DS has games like Xenoblade or DQVIII and it's comparable to like 2008 era smartphones. DQXI HD looks like a slightly nicer PS3 game more or less too, it's not exactly cutting edge visually.

Do you also think DQX NX will be the streaming 3DS version?

About the DQ XI looking like a slightly nicer PS3 game... I think you're wrong, what they shown so far about the game looks miles ahead of a PS3 game, even in pictures.

 

[Nirolak]

Looking at the thing, I'm becoming convinced that Setsuna is a downloadable title a la Child of Light in the West for maybe $20-$30 tops.

After Minecraft and Terraria, does anyone know what the next highest selling game is that was retail in Japan and downloadable (by design, not Vita scenario) in the West?

I'm curious if this is something of a new situation, especially for the genre.

Square Enix invested in PS4 well before PS4 was released, though. After all, the chicken-and-egg problem is always present in two-sided markets - but this is true for all platform owners, not just Nintendo.

I feel this is a great example of the quality of Sony's third party relations.

It would be hard to imagine another situation where Japanese publisher after Japanese publisher marched up on stage to announce a slough of major projects (as per their remaining ability to make notable projects) at each possible event for a nigh-dead-on-arrival console.

Now, some certainly went in more than others, but I feel it's worth considering that a couple of these publishers are pseudo-zombies in the dedicated space, especially compared to their previous stature.

So about that Yu-Gi-Oh announcement at JF 2016, there really is three different games.

- Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Links for smartphones (Spring)
- Yu-Gi-Oh (no title) for Nintendo 3DS (Summer)
- Yu-Gi-Oh (no title) for PC (online game, winter)

This explains why there was no PC version of the PSN/XBLA game.

 

[sörine]

Dead in Japan but not in the West. Judging from how quick these projects were announced for localization, I am not sure Japan was the top priority here.

If Japan wasn't the top priority most games wouldn't still be getting PS3/Vita ports to offset PS4's local failure. The BUT THE WEST anthem really should've died out after Oct NPD anyway.

Besides which, this is sort of getting away from your market leader claim. PS4 isn't market leader in Japan and likely never will be. And even worldwide 3DS still has a higher userbase and might still until it's successor is available.

LOL. I don't even know how to respond to the bolded

DQX isn't that demanding considering it runs on a Wii. It won't have any trouble running on NX.

DQX isn't demanding but it's streaming on 3DS anyway, which has proven perfectly capable of native Wii ports. Actually, maybe it's a bad example, it's also Steaming on Android phones that far outclass both 3DS and Wii.

How weak do you expect NX to be anyway? Vita level?

 

[sörine]

About the DQ XI looking like a slightly nicer PS3 game... I think you're wrong, what they shown so far about the game looks miles ahead of a PS3 game, even in pictures.

I don't think it looks like something that couldn't be rendered on PS3 at a lower resolution really. Maybe some other aspects like shading or framerate would get scaled down too but the basic game could probably remain intact if the engine supports it's target platform.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

How active is the worldwide 3DS userbase? Are titles still selling well worldwide?

And no, DQ XI is not a slightly nicer PS3 game in any sense...

 

[DarkLordMalik]

If Japan wasn't the top priority most games wouldn't still be getting PS3/Vita ports to offset PS4's local failure. The BUT THE WEST anthem really should've died out after Oct NPD anyway.

Besides which, this is sort of getting away from your market leader claim. PS4 isn't market leader in Japan and likely never will be. And even worldwide 3DS still has a higher userbase and might still until it's successor is available.

But like I said, there are already PS4 exclusives getting announced. Nier Automata, Kingdom Hearts II.8, FFXV, KH 3 and DQ XI Definitive Edition (lol)? How does this refute my claim?

DQX isn't demanding but it's streaming on 3DS anyway, which has proven perfectly capable of native Wii ports. Actually, maybe it's a bad example, it's also Steaming on Android phones that far outclass both 3DS and Wii.

How weak do you expect NX to be anyway? Vita level?

A native version on a handheld or smartphone won't be as easy as a resolution downscale like most assume. It will require resources and this is not something that is free.

It was clear from SE that they just went the cheap route and since they had the tech for it (cloud streaming), this was basically a no brainer. I am sure a N3DS can easily run DQX, but why bother when the streaming is also an option?

 

[ZSaberLink]

Atlus is NOT supporting 3DS. They are under no obligation to do so. Their franchise fanbase exists on the 3DS coming off from DS. Etrian Odyssey and SMT were all released on DS and carried into 3DS. Just like Persona remained on PS platforms. SMT and Etrian Odyssey remained on Nintendho handhelds. But I am not holding my breath for seeing this continue for NX.

Dude. Not sure if you realized, but the sentence above is terribly worded if you're trying to say Atlus isn't obligated to create titles on 3DS. Of course everyone is calling you out on it lol. Can you just edit the statement please? As it's written, you're just spouting falsehoods even though you don't seem to mean them (you're implying Atlus has never developed titles for 3DS lol).

Should be something like: "Atlus is not supporting 3DS because they are under some obligation to do so." That's talking about WHY Atlus is supporting the 3DS as opposed to the fact that they clearly are supporting the 3DS for reasons.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Dude. Not sure if you realized, but the sentence above is terribly worded if you're trying to say Atlus isn't obligated to create titles on 3DS. Of course everyone is calling you out on it lol. Can you just edit the statement please? As it's written, you're just spouting falsehoods even though you don't seem to mean them (you're implying Atlus has never developed titles for 3DS lol).

Should be something like: "Atlus is not supporting 3DS because they are under some obligation to do so." That's talking about WHY Atlus is supporting the 3DS as opposed to the fact that they clearly are supporting the 3DS for reasons.

Yes, it was terribly worded for which I am to blame. Although I don't see any reason to change it now, since the dust has settled.

The post I quoted was also misinterpreted and he cleared it up later.

It seems I should have worded that comment as "discourages Atlus from supporting Nintendo hardware" rather than "sours business between Atlus and Nintendo."

What I meant was that my jimmies would be rustled if Atlus is scared off the platform. It's too late for Wii U anyway, but I want to see them develop for Nintendo home console again in the future.

 

[ZSaberLink]

Yes, it was terribly worded for which I am to blame. Although I don't see any reason to change it now, since the dust has settled.

The post I quoted was also misinterpreted and he cleared it up later.

Yeh I guess I posted pretty late, so oh well.

Yodobashi:

- Monster Hunter X new stock survived the weekend, it's fully available at every store
- Splatoon, Mario Maker and Sumikko Gurashi are out of stock
- Splatoon and Mario Maker bundles are out of stock
- Animal Crossing HHD has low stock


It's different because Persona is known for being released first on consoles then handhelds. But you are right to think that SMT can move back to consoles, though it's unlikeable to happen.

Awesome to see. Weird that Nintendo actually kept the Splatoon holiday bundle limited. Kind of wonder how well it's selling then...

 

[Nirolak]

How active is the worldwide 3DS userbase? Are titles still selling well worldwide?

And no, DQ XI is not a slightly nicer PS3 game in any sense...

For the US, based on our usual sources, they were still doing well in the first part of this year through April, but the titles afterwards have not excited anyone.

The big test will be Fire Emblem in early 2016.

 

[Exile20]

Yodobashi:

- Monster Hunter X new stock survived the weekend, it's fully available at every store
- Splatoon, Mario Maker and Sumikko Gurashi are out of stock
- Splatoon and Mario Maker bundles are out of stock
- Animal Crossing HHD has low stock


It's different because Persona is known for being released first on consoles then handhelds. But you are right to think that SMT can move back to consoles, though it's unlikeable to happen.

My goodness, xmas might be big for Nintendo.

 

[ZSaberLink]

For the US, based on our usual sources, they were still doing well in the first part of this year through April, but the titles afterwards have not excited anyone.

The big test will be Fire Emblem in early 2016.

Animal Crossing HHD seemed to do alright though? It at least sold over 100K in 1-2 weeks if I'm not mistaken. I don't think we really got any updates. But yeh Fire Emblem Fates should be a good barometer, considering the wealth of JRPGs next year.

 

[Aostia]

It is the bolded.

It's ok for me
Fact is that you started with "Atlus is not supporting the 3DS" and "SMTV will obviously be also a PS4 title" and those seem two "bolded" sentences.
I agree that (especially IF there will be no PSVita 2, IF the NX portable will continue the Japanese success/consolidation of the 3DS, IF the NX portable will support UE4 and many other middleware assets, and IF the NX home will somehow allow for "mindless ports" from the NX portable) we could see many many PS4/NX multiplatform games, with some Japanes game still PS4 or NX esclusive.

Serious question: if FFVII remake is a PS4 "console debut", as Ninokuni 2 if I remember correctly, and if the NX-combo can run it/them under a technological point of view, do you think that the "debut" point to a Xone release, or to a NX release?

 

[DarkLordMalik]

For the US, based on our usual sources, they were still doing well in the first part of this year through April, but the titles afterwards have not excited anyone.

The big test will be Fire Emblem in early 2016.

Don't forget Bravely Second.

I don't think DQVII or VIII will sell any better than the DS releases. Which will suck =/

Serious question: if FFVII remake is a PS4 "console debut", as Ninokuni 2 if I remember correctly, and if the NX-combo can run it/them under a technological point of view, do you think that the "debut" point to a Xone release, or to a NX release?

FFVII: Remake can definitely make its way to XBO since it is a popular release. As for Ni No Kuni 2, pretty sure that they are taking a wait and see approach for it. But my bet is on PC/NX.

 

[CaviarMeths]

I don't think the PS4 audience is any more receptive to low-mid budget JRPGs than the 3DS audience in the west. Has any JRPG on PS4 managed Bravely Default sales? Maybe Type-0 with its free FFXV demo? Bloodbourne, if that counts?

Zesteria, Disgaea 5, and Dragon Quest Heroes sure didn't.

 

[Nirolak]

Don't forget Bravely Second.

I don't think DQVII or VIII will sell any better than the DS releases. Which will suck =/

I'm setting pretty low expectations for Bravely Second.

A cheaper sequel strikes me as the sort of thing that's going to tank compared to the original when released in the twilight of the generation, whereas Fire Emblem is more like what you'd associate with a standout end of generation product.

 

[Ōkami]

Regarding the previous comments about how the disappearance of the Splatoon bundle could help the ♯FE bundle, while I know most of you're kidding, that bundle is pretty expensive and will be extremely limited, I'll be surprised if they produce more than 5k units of it.

 

[Mario007]

I don't think the PS4 audience is any more receptive to low-mid budget JRPGs than the 3DS audience in the west. Has any JRPG on PS4 managed Bravely Default sales? Maybe Type-0 with its free FFXV demo? Bloodbourne, if that counts?

Zesteria, Disgaea 5, and Dragon Quest Heroes sure didn't.

Especially since both Disgaea and DQH were not JRPGs.

 

[noshten]

Regarding the previous comments about how the disappearance of the Splatoon bundle could help the ♯FE bundle, while I know most of you're kidding, that bundle is pretty expensive and will be extremely limited, I'll be surprised if they produce more than 5k units of it.

I know I'm just saying what they should have done if they wanted to get some easy mode ♯FE sales.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

I don't think the PS4 audience is any more receptive to low-mid budget JRPGs than the 3DS audience in the west. Has any JRPG on PS4 managed Bravely Default sales? Maybe Type-0 with its free FFXV demo? Bloodbourne, if that counts?

Zesteria, Disgaea 5, and Dragon Quest Heroes sure didn't.

There haven't been that many notable releases so far to actually form an opinion about them. The real test is 2016.

Zestiria did about the same as past games on PS3. It sold better than Xillia 2 but worse than the original Xillia. Disgaea 5 sold better than D4 on PS3. DQH sold pretty much the same as the past DQ games on DS, and they were considered a flop by SE.

I'm setting pretty low expectations for Bravely Second.

A cheaper sequel strikes me as the sort of thing that's going to tank compared to the original when released in the twilight of the generation, whereas Fire Emblem is more like what you'd associate with a standout end of generation product.

Bravely Second might be a cheaper sequel but still I don't understand why the expectations should be lower for the sequel. The original did more than 1 million WW, which is pretty impressive. The sequel will decline naturally but still do more than what a typical niche game sells in the West.

Not to mention Nintendo is still featuring them in their directs like they did with the original. That is bound to keep it in the spotlight.

 

[theprodigy]

Animal Crossing HHD seemed to do alright though? It at least sold over 100K in 1-2 weeks if I'm not mistaken. I don't think we really got any updates. But yeh Fire Emblem Fates should be a good barometer, considering the wealth of JRPGs next year.

The 115k first month includes the New 3DS bundles though...and I doubt many of the people who got a New 3DS actually wanted HHD.

(and unlike the figures for the other notable 3DS games, this one includes digital)

 

[sörine]

But like I said, there are already PS4 exclusives getting announced. Nier Automata, Kingdom Hearts II.8, FFXV, KH 3 and DQ XI Definitive Edition (lol)? How does this refute my claim?

Right, but that's not what you claimed initially. You said it wasn't any surprise the market leader would get prime support. But the reality is PS4's getting prime support without being (and likely never being) market leader anyway.

A native version on a handheld or smartphone won't be as easy as a resolution downscale like most assume. It will require resources and this is not something that is free.

I expect NX will be the lowest spec possible that still gets Epic's stamp of approval for UE4. And that'll work out great for Japanese publishers like Square Enix, even if some elements in their ports are dialed back. I feel like DQVIII PS2/3DS or Xenoblade Wii/3DS might give us some idea of what to expect in terms of asset and performance scaling.

 

[Busaiku]

Bravely Second might be a cheaper sequel but still I don't understand why the expectations should be lower for the sequel. The original did more than 1 million WW, which is pretty impressive. The sequel will decline naturally but still do more than what a typical niche game sells in the West.

Not to mention Nintendo is still featuring them in their directs like they did with the original. That is bound to keep it in the spotlight.

Poor word of mouth from Bravely Default, the latter parts of it turned a lot of people off.
And the impressions for this game are much poorer as well.
We saw the sharp decline in Japan already.

 

[Fdkn]

But the reality is PS4's getting prime support without being (and likely never being) market leader anyway.

PS4 is the worldwide market leader. Trying to argue that the rest of the world has no weight on the decision to support a platform is delusional.

After months of turning every weekly thread into 'every 3rd party game should be also on NX', I find extremely laughable that you're all jumping on DarkLordMalik for suggesting that the phenomenon could work both ways with some NX 3rd party games going to PS4 too.

 

[lherre]

Interesting ... a lot of engineers/developers already in the thread!!!

 

[Nirolak]

Bravely Second might be a cheaper sequel but still I don't understand why the expectations should be lower for the sequel. The original did more than 1 million WW, which is pretty impressive. The sequel will decline naturally but still do more than what a typical niche game sells in the West.

Not to mention Nintendo is still featuring them in their directs like they did with the original. That is bound to keep it in the spotlight.

The general market trend has been that the most attractive products keep selling more while the others flounder significantly. There isn't much of a stable market for retail releases at this point.

I don't think the game falls in the first half.

 

[sörine]

There haven't been that many notable releases so far to actually form an opinion about them. The real test is 2016.

Zestiria did about the same as past games on PS3. It sold better than Xillia 2 but worse than the original Xillia. Disgaea 5 sold better than D4 on PS3. DQH sold pretty much the same as the past DQ games on DS, and they were considered a flop by SE.

Zestiria numbers were PS3+PS4 though. It also undersold Graces f (65k) iirc.

Disgaea 5 did worse than 3, but I didn't know it did better than 4 given it's over 100k ltd? How much did D4 debut at?

Heroes generally did worse than the DS remakes but better than Rocket Slime and Swords. Not sure about Joker 1 though.

Bravely Second might be a cheaper sequel but still I don't understand why the expectations should be lower for the sequel. The original did more than 1 million WW, which is pretty impressive. The sequel will decline naturally but still do more than what a typical niche game sells in the West.

Not to mention Nintendo is still featuring them in their directs like they did with the original. That is bound to keep it in the spotlight.

It's been in a whole one Direct so far. I think the word of mouth on the first game was a bit better in the west though so maybe that won't hurt it as much as it did in Japan. But the excitement we had from BD doesn't seem to be there at all and by the time it releases 3DS will be on the way out and we'll probably have a clearer picture of NX, so that also won't help.

I agree with you on DQVII & DQVIII though, I think they'll only do about as well as the DS remakes at retail. It's too bad because I feel like a timely and well promoted DQVII release could've done near BD numbers.

 

[Mr Swine]

Right, but that's not what you claimed initially. You said it wasn't any surprise the market leader would get prime support. But the reality is PS4's getting prime support without being (and likely never being) market leader anyway.


I expect NX will be the lowest spec possible that still gets Epic's stamp of approval for UE4. And that'll work out great for Japanese publishers like Square Enix, even if some elements in their ports are dialed back. I feel like DQVIII PS2/3DS or Xenoblade Wii/3DS might give us some idea of what to expect in terms of asset and performance scaling.

I honestly don't think so. I think Epic will have a short Twitter message that the NX handheld while has the feature set to support UE4 easily th y will simply say that they are not interested in supporting the platform atm

 

[sörine]

PS4 is the worldwide market leader. Trying to argue that the rest of the world has no weight on the decision to support a platform is delusional.

After months of turning every weekly thread into 'every 3rd party game should be also on NX', I find extremely laughable that you're all jumping on DarkLordMalik for suggesting that the phenomenon could work both ways with some NX 3rd party games going to PS4 too.

We're in a Japanese sales thread talking about Japanese support. Not that there also aren't Japanese games that target the west and factor that into their greenlight and budgeting process but those tend to be the top line AAA games like Resident Evil, Final Fantasy or Metal Gear, not things like Disgaea, Tales or DQ spinoffs.

And today's 'everything should be on NX' sounds a lot like yesterday's 'everything should be on PS4'. It's always worked both ways really.

I honestly don't think so. I think Epic will have a short Twitter message that the NX handheld while has the feature set to support UE4 easily th y will simply say that they are not interested in supporting the platform atm

I sort of doubt that. After how well Unity turned out for them I sort of expect Nintendo to be including all the major engine providers when determining their spec and architecture(s). And with basically everyone turning to UE4 it seems like Epic is undoubtedly a priority.