This is exactly what happened with the late 64/GameCube generations. At one point it felt like a new Mario-licensed game was releasing every month. Thankfully, that dried up a bit once the Wii became the must-have living room accessory.
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Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2011 (Dec 19 - Dec 25)
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This is exactly what happened with the late 64/GameCube generations. At one point it felt like a new Mario-licensed game was releasing every month. Thankfully, that dried up a bit once the Wii became the must-have living room accessory.
custom robo gcn had such a fun story mode.
ds was one of the worst piece of shit i've ever played
It is a vile piece of trash. I blame that for killing the series. Medarot DS outsold that.
Mario still appeared in way too many games on the Wii for my liking.
If they can make the customers pay monthly contract fees the providers won't worry about Vita being a phone or not.
The V games on N64 were just the same.
The Gamecube one had the circumstance of not being made by the regular dudes normally involved in the series. So if they make another one, expect the same trends in the DS game.
I wonder how well the Vita would survive in Japan being the portable PS3? What if PS3/PSV versions releasing at the same time becomes the norm in the next year or so what that make any difference to the desirability of the Vita?
Let's say you get the next mainline Persona game, the next mainline Tales of game and maybe one or two other fairly high profile PS3 releases as day and date Vita releases would it make a difference to the very handheld centric Japanese market?
Obviously the Vita needs exclusives to survive but do you think there's a market in Japan for an "HD level" experience on a portable machine or is that user a mythical creature who does not exist?
Let's say you get the next mainline Persona game, the next mainline Tales of game and maybe one or two other fairly high profile PS3 releases as day and date Vita releases would it make a difference to the very handheld centric Japanese market?
Obviously the Vita needs exclusives to survive but do you think there's a market in Japan for an "HD level" experience on a portable machine or is that user a mythical creature who does not exist?
In the first year, perhaps. But a couple of times a year with every other title being utterly brilliant is fine with me.
frankie_baby
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Can't see the customers wanting to pay a monthly fee for a vita when they've already got a phone bill to pay
JoshuaJSlone
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If they were so rushed and shorthanded on what is essentially their third GCN-level Mario Kart, no the hell way do they have an HD one ready in less than a year--though I doubt they'd even want to release the next so quickly even if they could.
Shikamaru Ninja
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New Super Mario Bros. HD is a bigger seller anyway. Couple that with whatever else they can have ready, there really is no need for Mario Kart at launch.
These are all the Wii games Mario has been in:
Mario & Sonic At The Olympic Games
Mario & Sonic At The Olympic Winter Games
Mario & Sonic At The London 2012 Olympic Games
Mario Kart Wii
Mario Party 8
Mario Party 9
Mario Sports Mix
Mario Strikers Charged
Mario Super Sluggers
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Super Paper Mario
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Then you have re-releases:
Mario Power Tennis
Super Mario All-Stars
Jeeze man.
It's all PR fluff. Nintendo wouldn't announce the next Smash if it wasn't already in development. Sakurai has probably been working on it alongside Kid Icarus since Brawl released (although perhaps not full-time). If it isn't ready for launch, it'll be there not long after.
Yeah, I have a feeling Nintendo will give 3d Mario a little rest for a while, but holiday 2012 will be exactly right for the next NSMB (a 3 year gap). NSMB Mii was just upscaled NSMB Wii; it was never a real game. Hopefully the next NSMB will, like NSMB Wii, build extensively upon the solid formula.
I already made this joke!! But thank you SO MUCH for bringing it to life. No pun intended.
Ah, of course. And they've already mentioned it (in Mii form), so there's no surprise when it appears.
Well, personally I can't either but for many people here it's usual to have 12 or 24 months contracts and then get the latest gadget for an extension, repeat. There is like a whole industry advertising bundles of gadgets for zero pay, adding the monthly fees of the contract in the fine print. I just don't know if such a practice is common in Japan at all. It's the only tangent Sony's inclusion of 3G in Vita makes some sense to me...
Souldriver
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Apart from the the M&S games and Mario Sports Mix, I think the list is fairly decent and short actually. Mario almost always guarantees quality (and variety in gameplay).
And imagine if the M&S games were actually good..., like platformer games or something. Then I wouldn't have had a problem with those games either.
Then again, it would be nice if Nintendo didn't immediately think of Mario when making a new game. Imagine Nintendo making a Tennis game with non-Mushroom Kingdom characters, but great ones non the less. If done right, it would only be good for Nintendo that they have more recognizable characters.
frankie_baby
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Perhaps it does though in my country its only phones people would do that with
and just dance 3
Just shy of half of these were released in Wii's first year. This leaves us with an average of 1.4 new Mario Wii games per year since Nintendo turned things around, which, all things considered, is a very nice amount.
lunchwithyuzo
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I thought Noise developed all the Custom Robos?
they co-developed Battle Revolution. Again, i don't remember the name of the studio that did a lot of the design and production work on the game, but iirc, it was a studio made up of a couple of former sega staff.
So did the Japanese public. That was one of the silent big bombas of the holiday season.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Studio Fake. They have done a lot of contract work for Nintendo. They also cooperated on Odama.
frankie_baby
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Shame about that, methinks it was too expensive
There we go, thanks.
>implying Smash 4 will be out before 2014 at the earliest
>implying NSMB Wii won't be a launch title
Come on son.
lunchwithyuzo
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These are all the NES games Mario has been in.
All-Night Nippon Super Mario Bros. (FDS)
Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong Jr.
Dr. Mario
Famicom Grand Prix: F-1 Race
Famicom Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally
Golf
Mario Bros.
Mario is Missing
Mario's Time Machine
NES Open Tournament Golf
Pinball
Punch-Out!!
Return of Mario Bros. (FDS)
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Mario Bros. 2 (FDS)
Super Mario Bros. 3
Tennis
Tetris
Wrecking Crew
Yoshi
Yoshi's Cookie
Well they started hiring last summer no? The first task was to have a programming team port over Brawl to the Wii U, and then go from there. I'm sure this is where they are in production.
It was not just an upscaled NSMB Wii. Those were four new levels. That is definitely a Wii U project. Obviously it will look better by the time we next see it, but I would expect NSMB and the Wii Sports / Wii Play to keep the same motif we previously witnessed. They are not going to feature mindblowing graphics. That will be reserved for other titles like Pikmin, Galaxy, Zelda, etc.
charlequin
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Except the part where there's nothing in place to make Vita a specifically more desirable platform for development.
That's a complete misunderstanding of the generation. All of PSX's biggest advantages are the result not of expenditure but rather of careful shifts of the market. The systems most like PSX in gaming history are the NES, Wii, and NDS.
I definitely agree. I was asserting all of this stuff a year ago. At the time I was having to push back against a lot of "oh, there's nothing b-tier about Vita's software, there's no concern about their 3rd party support, etc." stuff but I think at this point it's clear those are real areas of concern regarding Vita's software future.
I think all the hardware manufacturers desperately want to move in this direction for a variety of reasons, but I just don't think the technology is there yet.
Sony really doesn't have the software engineering muscle to make this happen.
Firstly, I went out of my way to list NSMB Wii U as a potential launch title. So I guess you just misread that. No harm done.
Secondly, don't believe Sakurai's Smash rumour crushers.
I agree with you, and am arguing just that. There is no way Kid Icarus will prevent Smash from launching as soon as it possibly can.
It was an upscaled NSMB Wii in that it brought absolutely nothing new to the table (levels, Mii integration, and other minor tweaks aside). But that was expected, since Nintendo themselves stated quite clearly that it was nothing more than a tech demo (the laziest of them all), and not representative of any title in development. The main reason they had it there was to attract media attention and show NSMB (as well as other popular Wii games) in the announcement video.
It's likely, however, that:
1. NSMB will be a launch title;
2. They'll tweak and re-use the NSMB Wii engine.
ThatObviousUser
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Mario & Sonic are more Sega's thing.
Strikers was apparently pretty good.
Mario Party... it's weird we got one at the start and one at the end.
Can't speak for Super Sluggers or Sports Mix. Those are definitely GC-esque.
The rest are all great or fantastic.
I think NSMB Mii, as we saw it at E3 this year, will be a launch game for Wii U. Upscaled NSMB Wii assets and all. They said Ocarina of Time 3D was a tech demo too.
As for Smash... the gap between Melee and Brawl was 7 years. Now, if Sakurai is working on both a 3DS version and a Wii U version (to communicate in some way, apparently), there is no chance in hell it'll be out before 2014.
I hope it is. But it won't be.
If you have HD assets it's considerably more desirable to recycle them and make a Vita game than start from stratch (or dig up years old assets) on a 3DS title. The problem is that very few developers in Japan have HD assets lying around.
Well I think it was two fold. PS1 needed the software, and it got the software by being a smart platform, but to help the software even more there was some money thrown in.
The 3DS is capable of recycling HD assets also, so it isn't a bonus for the Vita. Actually it is a positive but its a positive for both.
I dunno, some devs have shown no qualms with simply downscaling HD assets for use on the 3DS. I mean, simply having a bunch of HD assets laying around doesn't suddenly make Vita development cheap.
Other than Capcom have we seen anyone do that? UE doesn't run on 3DS, but it does on Vita so I think that's more a Framework thing.
If Capcom has an engine capable of scaling HD assets for use on the 3DS why would other developers not be able to do it?
When did this become about HD engines? You specifically mentioned HD assets.
Not every engine is Framework. KojiPro's Fox Engine doesn't support 3DS either, but it supports Vita, and given KojiPro is doing [the awful] MGS3D port I imagine they wouldn't be against FE running on 3DS.
Because Capcom's the only one I know who has claimed to take their HD console assets and make a 3DS game with that. I'm thinking that's a Framework thing and an exception rather than the rule.
It's not about what the engines do support it, it is about what is technically possible on the 3DS hardware.
AdventureRacing
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I don't really have a problem with this. Most of those games are really good.
And those games made up some of the best games from those respective generations. I don't like when franchises spawn a bunch of crappy spin offs. However if they're high quality i can't say i really care.
I heard some faint things about MS future hw that may be an indication of them going there. But I'm not entirely sure if such a thing would mean dock is supposed to give you "more power" nor how would software side ever deal with that without incurring massive overhead on development that noone wants to deal with.charlequin said:
he was just getting directions on how to get away from there.
3DS has passed DS and Wii's first 52 weeks. GBA is still ahead, but it will be close.
Here's through one year, though there's not much of Vita to see yet.
3DS v.s. Wii v.s. GBA v.s. PS2.
Could you do it?
JoshuaJSlone
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Yes-ish. Famitsu later adjusted their PS2 total so the sum of the early weeks doesn't even add up to what they think, but it wasn't changed so much that it would beat GBA.
Yes-ish. Famitsu later adjusted their PS2 total so the sum of the early weeks doesn't even add up to what they think, but it wasn't changed so much that it would beat GBA.
Thanks!