Media Create Sales: Week 52, 2015 (Dec 21 - Dec 27)
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I don't think it's cool that the people who made this will have to deal with low sales, and I don't think it's cool that people who like these games will get less of them because of this development (and really, that's not going to happen). I explained my feelings in the post you didn't quote.*Stumbles in here*
Man Splatoon could have really been a game changer is it had released earlier. Really highlights how a few pieces of influential software can shape the life of a console. Halo 1 defined the Xbox, Wii Sports pushed the Wii into the mainstream, etc.
"I don't like it or care for it so fuck the developers, fuck anybody who liked it and fuck relatively good impressions!"
C'mon people. Do you really think of yourselves as adults in this situation? Are you really not able to read back what you wrote and see how petty it is? Like its fine not to care about/like the game but wishing ill on it is too much. I feel I grew out of that phase of my gaming life years ago ("ugh why its Brown Shooter X selling 23513132 copies!"). I surprised others haven't as well
Well, I think it might be like a Symphonia thing on the west, where the RPG fanbase was 100% on the PS2 , but there were still some holdouts in the west for RPGS on the Cube.
Where it's not like Symphonia is this games 10 times more nichier than Symphonia and Symphonia was already pretty niche.
Does anybody have the splits for Symphonia for the US/Japan?
I doubt Capcom or L5 have been blaming the 3DS for their own mismanagement, Capcom's fate is tied directly to their method of entering the mobile market and they have no one to blame but themselves. Numerically, their "we're happy with" performances of Rev1/Rev2 HD are par (if not worse) than the performance of the original 3DS Rev1 when you consider the number of platforms vs. one. So take their words with a grain of nonsense.
L5 knows full well what drove their series into oblivion, it wasn't the 3DS.
SE is actually one of the few that I think you would have a point with, but they've in general just been mismanaging everything with regards to the 3DS (and their own titles). I need only point at DQB to say that there's some sort of dissonance in the company and its expectations. BD is a completely mismanaged series that did well only (largely due to Nintendo) to get a knife put through its heart.
Namco is everywhere, they'll remain everywhere. For them, the biggest limiters are really portability and accessibility of development for big titles. They target known demographics. If Nintendo launched a capable handheld, and brings their S/JRPGs and audiences in tow, I wouldn't be the least shocked by Tales proper (not ports) showing up with said audiences.
I have no idea what KT is going to do... other than more musou.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Might I ask why are you looking at a GC game?
I'm not sure we can extrapolate the digital sales as the same ratio always. I'm almost sure the ratio is inferior than months ago respect retail sales.
Eolz
Member
To be honest, while I really don't like how far they went with the idol theme in #FE, I'm still glad to see this great team managed to put in really good gameplay. Will buy just for that despite my problems with the rest of the game.
Hope Nintendo and Atlus will try a different collaboration next time and will be smarter about it.
At least 50k, but I don't think there's a point speculating on that since the game wouldn't look like that.
Yes.
Hope Nintendo and Atlus will try a different collaboration next time and will be smarter about it.
At least 50k, but I don't think there's a point speculating on that since the game wouldn't look like that.
Yes.
shadow2810
Member
Maybe... or not. SRPG isn't going to sell on home console. Last two notable releases I can remember are Valkyria Chronicles (PS3) and Disgaea 5 (PS4), both debuted at ~25k first week.
Don't worry #FE, I got you. I'll buy a few more copies and gift them to couple of friends to spread your misunderstood love.
Seriously, I can't believe there are people out there that wanted this game to bomb. It's a new IP for christsakes! Aren't we always complaining about this industry being sequel heavy and afraid of taking risks? We actually got what seems to be an actual good RPG on a console and people want to tear it down because it's too "pop"? The hell?
I can understand not being interested, but why would you want to see it fail? Y'all got no financial stake in this.
Seriously, I can't believe there are people out there that wanted this game to bomb. It's a new IP for christsakes! Aren't we always complaining about this industry being sequel heavy and afraid of taking risks? We actually got what seems to be an actual good RPG on a console and people want to tear it down because it's too "pop"? The hell?
I can understand not being interested, but why would you want to see it fail? Y'all got no financial stake in this.
It's nice to "want" something but it isn't how it works.
The series launched several games year after year and from the start it began losing steam (first game is the best selling one).
KH3D sales were disappointing in Japan.
Said that KH games on handheld never did perform as well as the first two games on PS2.
The disparity between KH3D and CoM, BBS or 358/2 Days isn't that big.
SSFIV3D hit the bomba bins but it shipped a nice amount for Capcom.
Well, it seems pretty clear. #FE is even more otaku pandering than Awakening and Fates, and that didn't automatically translate into sales. That's a good thing, at least, IMHO. As for Awakening reviving the series, it might or might not be the case, but I'm pretty sure the DS games sold pretty well. It's the Radiant games the ones that sold rather disappointingly IIRC.
Because it was the biggest divergence point that I could think of from what he stated? SNES/PSX/PS2 were the golden age of RPGS.
Obviously, it's a different era and this game would be nowhere near as popular, but I remember people being outright shocked how popular Symphonia was in the west.
DS games didn't sell well either (there was a reason the second one wasn't released in the West), but there are various factors for them just like the Wii/GC games (mainly ugly and piracy).
So many million sellers this week. Welcome the club Splatoon.
. Easily keep chugging through the New Year and possibly through the Summer drought.
3DS, I never doubted you. Wii U breaks 100k. PS4 having a better holiday. Can't be mad at it. PSV and MineCraft. Awsome.
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3DS, I never doubted you. Wii U breaks 100k. PS4 having a better holiday. Can't be mad at it. PSV and MineCraft. Awsome.
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theprodigy
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If there's any game that's taking the "that one core JRPG" slot for the Wii U, it's Xenoblade Chronicles X, and even that's operating with just a fraction of what Tales of Symphonia had :/
I think you misplaced the bolded? presumably you meant "BD is a completely mismanaged series that did well (largely due to Nintendo) only to get a knife put through its heart."
Pennywise83
Banned
But how many IPs is Capcom releasing on each platform and how well are those doing? Dragon's Dogma was turned into a F2P MMORPG, Devil May Cry is nowhere to be seen, and even Resident Evil sold below expectations with its 6th entry - 3DS, on the other hand, has two successful IPs that keep going, and early line-up was pretty successful (SSFIV 3D is still one of the best-selling SKUs for SFIV).
And 3DS is not blame for early Level'5's line-up - Level-5 is.
Are you referring to this post:
Well that post didn't exist when I first started typing my post (I had to pause to take care of something else) so I missed that. However, nothing I've seen so far about this game suggests it was some cheap cash grab with some tits slapped on there haphazardly to sell a substandard product. They did what they wanted to do and that's fine if you're not interested in buying it but I don't think its fair to revel in its failure because it didn't match-up with what you thought the game might have been in your head. I do agree it probably worked against them to announce the project so soon given that as of January 2013 it seems clear the "game" was still mostly an idea sketched out on a napkin.
True, I still don't think we're going to see anyone as gung ho as they were at 3DS launch.
As to the bolded I'd still be very surprised. The Steam versions show they're willing to expand outside of PlayStation but Baba didn't/doesn't think Nintendo platforms have the Tales audience.
That's exactly how it works. Publishers want a game to sell a certain amount, it doesn't, they're disappointed, the next game is lower budgeted or doesn't exist.
EDIT:
Resident Evil 6 underperforming means it's not by far their most successful game, it still sold several million. Devil May Cry had two recent remasters that both did well.
On an interview, I think it was Miyamoto? I think he mentioned that if Awakening sold less than 200k units, they'd kill the series.
So yeah, DS FE underperformed and Nintendo was preparing to go Old Yeller on the series, Awakening did revive it, and then Fates brought it even higher.
Awakening is by far the best selling game in the series and the only million seller, so there's that too.
So yeah, DS FE underperformed and Nintendo was preparing to go Old Yeller on the series, Awakening did revive it, and then Fates brought it even higher.
Awakening is by far the best selling game in the series and the only million seller, so there's that too.
Vita you could probably argue has built up a solid market for this but PS4 has only been of interest to western gamers and developers. Wii U by virtue of Nintendo being Japanese and catering to such will always have an audience that skews a little more toward those tastes in the West and we know that their recent RPGs have done better in the west. Obviously #FE for Playstation isn't even an option but it's not unreasonable to think it could do a lot better in west still on Wii U. Xenoblade's western reception may be a big factor too.
Of course, making back the investment seems unlikely even with better western sales, given this they'll probably be best served with a long term strategy of keeping stock low, prices high, fostering a niche fanbase, and re-releasing it on their next portable which will certainly have that market in all regions.
There are a remarkable number of English speakers that are happy to see this game not sell, and that sentiment has also been common on Japanese blogs where they've been mocking the game.
I think they just burned a lot of goodwill with the core audience.
- They teased this game as seemingly something the core audience would absolutely want—creating the anticipation they aimed for with their first teaser trailer—but it was something thematically and aesthetically diametrically opposed to what they thought it would be.
- A subset of that core audience for Fire Emblem and SMT has a dislike for pandering, fanservice material, and #FE presented that at the forefront of its initial marketing.
- Kiria "censorship" (if that really actually mattered for anyone).
Ōkami;190801854 said:
It was in an Iwata (RIP) asks.
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/fire-emblem-fates/0/0
FE3/FE4 also outsold Awakening in Japan IIRC. FE3 is the seminal favorite for alot of Japanese fans (hence all the love to it in #FE).
NeonZ
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Ōkami;190801854 said:
Each DS game sold more than 250k in Japan by itself though. The only games that failed to break the 250k barrier were the Japanese versions of the GC/Wii ones.
Only FE3 stands above Awakening's Japanese numbers. FE4's numbers were beaten too, although not by much.
Truth, I'll be gifting this game as well
I don't have it in front of me but I'm pretty sure that Baba statement was about exclusive Tales games.
It was but only because every Tales game was exclusive by default. It's not like they couldn't have been multiplatform already. Even Berseria is cross gen.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
It would have done maybe 40k. Issue is not just mismatched audience but WiiU itself. Look at TW101. Also for everyone hoping the game would bomb, did anyone even bother reading some reviews and impressions? The game itself actually seems pretty good. Just WiiU does not have the audience. M
Games can be good without them being appealing.
Those numbers were pretty decent, Miyamoto saying they'd kill FE if Awakening hadn't sold 200k basically means they didn't want it to drastically outperform. But yeah, it's hard to argue that the new focus doesn't brings new money.
But what is the cause 3DS or Level-5 management of the series?
Look at the progression of lost sales after each entries and consider the rapid succession of games:
600K->850K->1000K->500K
Also the idea that production values alone would improve the situation considering the kind of game Professor Layton is, well, it's a bit naive.
NeonZ
Member
I think it'd have done significantly better even on the Wii U. 100k at least. The issue with how #FE turned out is that it really doesn't take advantage of the FE brand and it completely dissociated itself from the SMT brand in the final marketing. The FE characters look little like themselves aren't even the actual focus of the game, and obviously the gameplay is nothing like FE. At that point, why even bother?
The use of the FE characters in-game, once you get over them not resembling themselves, also seems pretty generic based on what I've seen in streams. They're there in general personality terms, but the references to their original world seem really generic most of the time (like how both Awakening and Shadow Dragon characters talk like they came from the same world, without acknowledging that they're supposed to be from different ages,at least on the dialogue I've seen). It really feels like they could replace the main mirages with anything and the game would come out relatively unchanged. The use of FE characters doesn't even tie with the general idol theme of the game - compare with the generic enemy mirages, which when they aren't based on random FE classes, or a few recurring SMT demons, are based on pop culture characters, like Sadako, Casper, Cenobite, etc. The later seems like something that would make much more sense as the main "demons/Persona" of this game.
ToB is the first real multiplat game in the series, which is in clearly struggling so I wouldn't be surprised either way.
NA+EMEA sales
[GC] Tales of Symphonia 738.000
Japan sales
[GC] Tales of Symphonia 311.473
[PS2] Tales of Symphonia 390.414
There was no stock problems in Japan (or else please provide a source for that statement), in fact they expected 250k sales, something the game still didn't reach despite having great legs (for a Tales of that is).
Regarding Europe the stock was almost non existant (the game was english only), selling greatly above very subpar expectations is nothing astounding (source me asking the Namco Bandai rep you're talking about)
Ace Attorney is dwindling down while still maintaining a mid-tier IP statut, also Capcom doesn't seem to think the series is worth anything outside Japan (no AAI2 release, AA5 digital only and only translated in english, Dai Gyakuten Saiban doesn't sound like it will be released outside of Japan either...)
The effect of the anime remains to be seen, but at least it confirms Capcom's long term commitment for the series, something I was worried about after Ace Attorney 6.
Also Theatrythm DQ underperformed.
I don't think so, PoR only did 150k and that's a well received mainline game on a console more popular than the Wii U. There was no way a spin off would do as well as that.
Thanks!
Shipment data reported by Namco:
Japan (GC/PS2): 750K
America (GC): 600K
Europe (GC): 250K
http://web.archive.org/web/20140711135219/http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20080414/tov1.htm
The best part is that even a console like the 360 has sold over 60k first week...
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Jesus, man.... history could have been different if Super Mario Maker and Splatoon were release titles and Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros Wii U (first than 3DS) following that but, it's too late now to complain about that.
NeonZ
Member
It depends on how much of a "spin off" it would be. It's not like FE even uses numbers for game titles. If it had FE gameplay, recognizable popular FE characters, a presentation as good as the one that #FE has, I don't think the presence of demons or human SMT guests would somehow hit it and cause it to sell less.
What we're seeing with #FE is a game that completely fails to connect with either fanbase and gains no advantage from the "Atlus x FE" marketing. I doubt that's irrelevant to its failure.
Right, Level 5 has been guilty of mismanagement but making Layton 5 a launch title for the next big platform and in 3D was intended to hold off that decline. It didn't.
True, I guess we'll see. I imagine eventually they'll want to make PS4 level games though.
Yeah, I agree. It's like announcing a Street Fighter x Mortal Kombat collaboration, and getting Vanguard Princess as a result. Makes no sense at all.
Splatoon is that one game iwata was talking about. /s
Kidding aside, splatoon is a crazy sleeper hit overthere and mario maker is helping things along.
Pennywise83
Banned
I remember wrongly, only in PAL countries Abyss was out of stock. Anyway, TDQ underperformed but both TFF sold well (the initial argument was that TFF bombed); AA is an alive IP which, for today's standards, is something unique for Capcom - downsized or not, Capcom is still investing in it.
SinCityAssassin
Member
For the type of game it was, the numbers for #FE aren't too bad considering it was released a day after the holiday rush, and that would be the only day recorded on that weeks charts.
Don't think you can get much better than plastering the game all over buildings and subways around Akihabara.
Don't think you can get much better than plastering the game all over buildings and subways around Akihabara.
WE DID IT KIDS
You haven't play Splatoon have you. Go play and you will see why. Shit is hella fun.
Eternal Gamer
Member
The worst for Sega with SMTxFE is the game is tied to a Nintendo ip so they can't recover the invest porting the game to other platforms.