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Media Create Software Sales 19th-25th Dec

quetz67 said:
I hate to say this but I think Sony is in for the long run. Who expected something like N64 vs. Playstation was sure in for a disappointment. The PSP lacks more killer apps but in general I think it sells fine for the price and movie UMDs seem to sell quite hot.

I am sure the PSP will technically still compete with the next gameboy iteration and they can release updated versions with HDD but the same general specs. And when we see some more killer apps that really use the hardware they can still give the unit a boost opening up the 333Mhz.

I dont think Sony will beat Nintendo in the handheld market anytime soon, but I think the PSP will be quite a (financially) successfull machine.

In Japan Sony is selling the PSP for what would be $185 USD, and they were making a loss off of the PSP hardware in America that they are selling for $250 or $300 with some different bundles. So if Sony doesn't even sell more software (that we know of) than the actual PSP hardware. That isn't good. Even though they are making money off of UMDs and other add ons to the PSP itself.

Your second paragraph I agree with though. They are going to stick a HDD into juice it up a tincy bit more, and call it done. I doubt that they are going to try anything that is even remotely "revolutionary".

Edit: Where did those numbers come from?
 

marc^o^

Nintendo's Pro Bono PR Firm
quetz67 said:
The PSP lacks more killer apps but in general I think it sells fine for the price and movie UMDs seem to sell quite hot.

I am sure the PSP will technically still compete with the next gameboy iteration and they can release updated versions with HDD but the same general specs. And when we see some more killer apps that really use the hardware they can still give the unit a boost opening up the 333Mhz.

I dont think Sony will beat Nintendo in the handheld market anytime soon, but I think the PSP will be quite a (financially) successfull machine.

I haven't seen any Sony PR regarding movie UMDs for a long time. Not a good sign. What I heard in the french press is that it is selling very poorly in France. Don't know about Japan but from what I heard in some threads, it's not doing so good.

333Mhz and HDD must be confronted to the battery issue, I'm not sure at all this will ever happen. Plus Developpers would not take advantage of a HDD as most of the userbase wouldn't have one. And it would make the PSP even more expensive than it already is :-/

PSP is losing steam in the media. We don't see catch phrases such as "Get a PSP, because even your mom has an ipod" anymore. The PSP is another good device, but not the ultimate 21st century walman people thought it would be. Analysts and journalists are now praising the DS (look at the 2005 year in review in most gaming sites) and the ipod video (just type ipod video in google news).

All of this to say PSP is not guaranteed to be a financially successfull machine at this stage. We'll know more in a year from now.
 

cybamerc

Will start substantiating his hate
PSP sales are great but people obviously aren't buying it for the software (in Japan). What happens when an even better portable video player (or whatever the Japanese use it for) comes out? Obviously it's hard for publishers to ignore a platform that's selling as well as PSP but when you factor in software sales and development costs it's really not looking that attractive.
 

quetz67

Banned
marc^o^ said:
I haven't seen any Sony PR regarding movie UMDs for a long time. Not a good sign. What I heard in the french press is that it is selling very poorly in France. Don't know about Japan but from what I heard in some threads, it's not doing so good.
The UMD format getting as much support as it does already exceeds my expectations.
marc^o^ said:
333Mhz and HDD must be confronted to the battery issue, I'm not sure at all this will ever happen. Plus Developpers would not take advantage of a HDD as most of the userbase wouldn't have one. And it would make the PSP even more expensive than it already is :-/
The 333Mhz are already covered by the new 2200 battery. I didnt think about the HD for games, more of a probably bigger PSP version that competes with the video iPod.

marc^o^ said:
PSP is losing steam in the media. We don't see catch phrases such as "Get a PSP, because even your mom has an ipod" anymore.
Didnt it get another Gadget of the year award lately? And while the DS sure gets some good press it is something completely different. I am usually pretty pro Nintendo, but there is no way back from PSP to DS for me.

Stopsign said:
So if Sony doesn't even sell more software (that we know of) than the actual PSP hardware.
Sure, but I think the situation in the US/europe is a little better than in japan. Still it needs more killer apps to sell more hardware to get more killer apps. Sony seems to be a little lazy in this regard, while Nintendo produces enought 1st party games to push their hardware.

Obviously it's hard for publishers to ignore a platform that's selling as well as PSP but when you factor in software sales and development costs it's really not looking that attractive.
Thats true for the hardware base right now, but that will change when some 20,30 or 40 million PSPs are sold.

I think the PSP start is a little slow, yes, but I dont think they are in serious trouble. They usually are able to keep the system price up for quite some time so they dont need to worry that much about per system losses. It will take some time until this venture turns out to be a profit, but when it does I am sure the hardware and software base will be solid enough to compete for some more years and to have a solid ground for a PSP2.
 

donny2112

Member
quetz67 said:
Thats true for the hardware base right now, but that will change when some 20,30 or 40 million PSPs are sold.

:lol

quetz67 said:
They usually are able to keep the system price up for quite some time so they dont need to worry that much about per system losses. It will take some time until this venture turns out to be a profit, but when it does I am sure the hardware and software base will be solid enough to compete for some more years and to have a solid ground for a PSP2.

THIS IS NOT THE PS2. You can't apply the same logic, because they won't be owning 70% of the market and making a ton off of 3rd party licensing fees the way they did with the PS2. And as has been repeated several times (if not in this thread, but in others), it is questionable whether Sony can sustain losses on PS3 and PSP (though, the more PSPs made, the lower the manufacuring cost, which is probably why they ship so many even when they aren't selling nearly that well) at the same time.
 

Thomper

Member
So everybody is saying we can't hope for Revolution because it's a console, and DS is a handheld?

Well then, why should the situation be any different with PS2 and PSP? All the Sony fans have been saying that because PS2's multimedia style is/was a success, so the PSP should be doing the same, as it's very focused on multimedia too.

Edit: wow, that's a post full of bullshit from me. :lol
 

SantaC

Member
donny2112 said:
*DS Hater looks at this week's sale figures*

"It burns! It burns!" (in Japan) :p

hehe what I meant is that they hide when things are going good for DS and they come out when things arent so bright :lol
 

marc^o^

Nintendo's Pro Bono PR Firm
quetz67 said:
The UMD format getting as much support as it does already exceeds my expectations.
UMD movie sales were a flash in the pan IMO. People bought some at launch to test the format. They are now back to DVDs. I know I am.

The 333Mhz are already covered by the new 2200 battery.
Most of the PSP userbase doesn't have this battery. But I conceed Sony could make 333Mhz games anyway. I so much prefer my Wipeout without slowdowns that I don't care if it sucks my battery faster.

I didnt think about the HD for games, more of a probably bigger PSP version that competes with the video iPod.
A hard drive won't happen. Not only for a battery issue but also because it contradicts Sony's strategy to widespread the trojan (not pejorative) Memory Stick format.

Didnt it get another Gadget of the year award lately? And while the DS sure gets some good press it is something completely different. I am usually pretty pro Nintendo, but there is no way back from PSP to DS for me.
I couldn't go back from PSP to GBA Movie player to watch my anime/TV shows, but the DS is getting all my gaming time. And apart from few non gaming specialist journalists (from Stuff and cnet), the vast majority of influencers have praised the DS lineup and moaned about the PSP library lately.

Thats true for the hardware base right now, but that will change when some 20,30 or 40 million PSPs are sold.
30 million PSP units sold will not happen. Sony certainly had this objective in mind when they got into this handheld adventure, but the PSP was not embraced as the 21st century walkman. It is not replacing the ipod as a music player, and now the ipod video/archos are out, the sizy PSP will struggle to get decent shares in the video market. In 2006, people will want to spend their money on PS3/Revolution/x360 and the cheap DS will certainly continue to sell to non gamers and to the GBA crowd. The PSP will have hard time to sell on steady numbers.

It will take some time until this venture turns out to be a profit, but when it does I am sure the hardware and software base will be solid enough to compete for some more years and to have a solid ground for a PSP2.
I have a question for you: how do you picture the PSP2? When would it launch and with what specs? To improve on its predecessor it would need to provide graphics close to the PS3 (PSP owners wouldn't see any reason to rebuy a new product with mere PS2 turbo graphics). And PS3 graphics on a handheld are not likely to happen for years and years (and years) to come. On the other hand, I'm pretty confident Nintendo will release a GBA2 in 2 years from now, which will seriously hurt PSP sales.

For all these reasons, I'm not sure PSP will ever be called a financial success.
 
Why does everyone think that the GBA2 is going to come out so soon. I think Nintendo has noticed that they don't need another handheld out because the DS is doing just fine on it's own. I think the GBA2 will come out when the DS is in the phase where the GBA is this year. Still doing extremely well off of low prices and a huge fan base. With a few good games like Fire Emblem and Wario Ware Twisted, but the rest being crappy. Who's to say that the next handheld from Nintendo won't be like the DS with more features built in like PDA and more with better graphics. I think that would be more sucessful.
 

ziran

Member
personally i believe this chart adds to the theory the psp's biggest competition is ps2 sw. ps2 owners are those buying a psp and when they're faced with a great ps2 line-up psp sw sales suffer. admittedly the psp releases this month haven't been strong, but why weren't they? sony knew the end year of the is when you must have a good line-up.
 

Mama Smurf

My penis is still intact.
I don't think we're going to see a GBA2 at all. It totally goes against Nintendo's philosophy, a GBA2 is as likely as a GC2 in my opinion, which we're obviously not getting in addition to the Revolution.

Nintendo do have a bit of a problem though. The Gameboy brand is a big deal and not one they want to waste, but now the DS is doing better than even that system did. It was smart not to include the Gameboy name with the DS, both to differentiate it for non-gamers and also in case the DS failed and they wouldn't want to tarnish the name, but what now? I suppose they could call the next system the Gameboy DS, but I really don't think they want to give any of the new players the impression that they're going back to just traditional games.

Whatever they do, I don't think we'll see a GBA2, but rather a DS successor in 3 or 4 years and maybe it'll get up to current PSP graphical levels. It'll be better certainly, but I suspect they graphics will once again not come close to the current competitor, rather they'll add to the DS with larger screens and tilt sensors and things.
 
I was just about to post the exact same thing. Don't think we'll ever see a GBA2, instead it'll be DS2 with the the tilt added back in, sleeker design and better screens.
 

Xrenity

Member
Mama Smurf said:
I don't think we're going to see a GBA2 at all. It totally goes against Nintendo's philosophy, a GBA2 is as likely as a GC2 in my opinion, which we're obviously not getting in addition to the Revolution.

Nintendo do have a bit of a problem though. The Gameboy brand is a big deal and not one they want to waste, but now the DS is doing better than even that system did. It was smart not to include the Gameboy name with the DS, both to differentiate it for non-gamers and also in case the DS failed and they wouldn't want to tarnish the name, but what now? I suppose they could call the next system the Gameboy DS, but I really don't think they want to give any of the new players the impression that they're going back to just traditional games.

Whatever they do, I don't think we'll see a GBA2, but rather a DS successor in 3 or 4 years and maybe it'll get up to current PSP graphical levels. It'll be better certainly, but I suspect they graphics will once again not come close to the current competitor, rather they'll add to the DS with larger screens and tilt sensors and things.
They won't need to use 'Gameboy' when DS is doing great.
Would be okay to just have it as a substitute name if anything goes horribly wrong.

I guess there won't be coming a GBA2 anytime soon. What would it play? Gamecube discs?
 

marc^o^

Nintendo's Pro Bono PR Firm
GBA2/DS2 (whatever the code name, what we mean is Nintendo next handheld) games will likely be stored on GC discs to also be playable on the Revolution. Such a handheld would 1) ciment Nintendo domination on the whole handheld market spectrum and put Sony to the exit 2) create a great incentive to buy a Revolution. Nintendo missed the occasion once: if they had implemented the GBA player in the GC, it could have made a difference at a time when GBA was popular and GC not so.
 

monkeyrun

Member
Xrenity said:
They won't need to use 'Gameboy' when DS is doing great.
Would be okay to just have it as a substitute name if anything goes horribly wrong.

I guess there won't be coming a GBA2 anytime soon. What would it play? Gamecube discs?
I think by then 1GB+ flash memory would be cheap enough
 
Xrenity said:
They won't need to use 'Gameboy' when DS is doing great.
Would be okay to just have it as a substitute name if anything goes horribly wrong.

I guess there won't be coming a GBA2 anytime soon. What would it play? Gamecube discs?

I think Nintendo is really reluctent to actually use any type of discs for a portable divice because that makes it non-portable. You have to be more careful with a disc so it doesn't get scratched. You can't just drop them and they will be fine like a cartridge. Then it makes the system have loading times, and that is a big no no on a portable system. I think Sony has found that out. Nintendo will just stick to either the DS name or go on to something new again.
 
I believe there definitely WILL be a new version of the Gameboy.

There is an obvious market there for a simple, single screened portable and that is what it will be, maybe four face buttons and an analogue nub, with N64-dreamcast type graphics.

The next Gameboy, I believe, will, like the GBA for SNES games, be a dumping ground for your N64 ports like Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask etc. Along with a healthy stream of 2D and low budget titles.

The Gameboy is a traditionalist console, and no Company is likely to give-up the Brand Recognition of a name like Gameboy. Nintendo has simply increased their Product Range, and although GBA sales are lower in Japan, they definitely have not been cannobalised.

Certainly, expect a new DS in around Four to Five years, but i'd definitely anticipate a New Gameboy announcement by E3 2007.
 

Berto2K

Member
Unless this has changed since launch, the only UMD movie sales that matter to Sony are the ones from their own studios as I clearly remember Sony releasing the UMD spec and info royalty free and all to anyone else. Bascially they make nothing on a umd movie sales unless its from Sony Pictures Studios.

They would have to sell a crapload of their own movies to help offset anything they aren't getting but expected in game sales.
 

JavyOO7

Member
cordonbleu said:
I believe there definitely WILL be a new version of the Gameboy.

There is an obvious market there for a simple, single screened portable and that is what it will be, maybe four face buttons and an analogue nub, with N64-dreamcast type graphics.

The next Gameboy, I believe, will, like the GBA for SNES games, be a dumping ground for your N64 ports like Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask etc. Along with a healthy stream of 2D and low budget titles.

The Gameboy is a traditionalist console, and no Company is likely to give-up the Brand Recognition of a name like Gameboy. Nintendo has simply increased their Product Range, and although GBA sales are lower in Japan, they definitely have not been cannobalised.

Certainly, expect a new DS in around Four to Five years, but i'd definitely anticipate a New Gameboy announcement by E3 2007.

I think a new Gameboy can wait. I'd prefer a new DS that's intact with new screens, have graphics rivaling a Gamecube, and etc etc. That's just me though.
 

Mama Smurf

My penis is still intact.
Xrenity said:
They won't need to use 'Gameboy' when DS is doing great.
Would be okay to just have it as a substitute name if anything goes horribly wrong.

Well I'm not saying they need to use it, just that they'll want to. They have this huge powerful brand which'll just be sitting there, losing impact the longer it's not used, so they might want to find a way to get it out there.

I don't know how though, maybe they can start releasing extremely cheap handhelds with a game (or multiple games) built in and you can't use other cartridges, like the old Game & Watches. Cheap screen, GBA technology, no need to create new games as you could just use the best GBA titles...wouldn't cost much.

But who knows?
 
I think a new Gameboy can wait. I'd prefer a new DS that's intact with new screens, have graphics rivaling a Gamecube, and etc etc. That's just me though.

Yeah dude, theres absolutely no doubt that there will be a second DS, but the console has only been out a year after all. In Four-Five years, thats probably exactly what you will have, a Nintendo DS 2, with PSP like graphics and a more integrated free online service, perhaps with very few, if any buttons at all. Evolution baby.

Speaking of Evolution, thats exactly where the Gameboy will head, it will continually evolve, as it always has. I think Nintendo will definitely continue to support its Three Pillars, and you never know, may grow, and introduce more....
 

Mama Smurf

My penis is still intact.
cordonbleu said:
I believe there definitely WILL be a new version of the Gameboy.

There is an obvious market there for a simple, single screened portable and that is what it will be, maybe four face buttons and an analogue nub, with N64-dreamcast type graphics.

The next Gameboy, I believe, will, like the GBA for SNES games, be a dumping ground for your N64 ports like Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask etc. Along with a healthy stream of 2D and low budget titles.

But why? The DS is already perfectly capable of being a dumping ground for N64 titles, if developers so wished. There's no way in hell Nintendo would be foolish enough to release a PSP competitor with none of the DS advantages when it's not even as powerful as Sony's hardware was years before.

If Nintendo release a true GBA sequel, no different ways to play, it has to be better than the PSP or why would it sell?
 

Timbuktu

Member
I'm looking forward to a DS redesign myself, something better looking, more portable and easier on the wrist. I don't see a new Game Boy or a new DS soon, though. The handhelds have been getting so much attention probably because we're in the dip in between generations with the home consoles. Once the Rev and the PS3 gets here, we won't talk about the portables anywhere near as much.

Any chance the DS redesign will be called Game BoyDS ?
 

donny2112

Member
Stopsign said:
Why does everyone think that the GBA2 is going to come out so soon.

Code:
GBC   1998
GBA   2001
NDS   2004
GBE   2007?

Personally, I think Nintendo would want to stretch the GBA a little longer as they are quickly approaching current gen graphics on a handheld (something that they've shown they don't want to reach). Therefore, I think 2008 would be a good guess for the GBE.

Mama Smurf said:
I don't think we're going to see a GBA2 at all.

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Nintendo do have a bit of a problem though. The Gameboy brand is a big deal and not one they want to waste, but now the DS is doing better than even that system did. It was smart not to include the Gameboy name with the DS, both to differentiate it for non-gamers and also in case the DS failed and they wouldn't want to tarnish the name, but what now? I suppose they could call the next system the Gameboy DS, but I really don't think they want to give any of the new players the impression that they're going back to just traditional games.

An improved Game Boy is definitely coming. Nintendo themselves have repeatedly stated that it is in the works. I think the success of the DS has (hopefully) pushed it back a bit, but it is definitely still coming.

As far as features,

donny2112 said:
As to what I expect from a GBE ...

1. Obviously from the chart, I'm expecting around GCN power for it.
2. Won't play GCN disks.
3. Will use very large (in storage, not size) cartridges.
4. Download GBC/GB games through Nintendo WFC.
5. Backwards compatible to GBA cartridges-only.
6. $100 at launch (maybe a $150 version with large SD card included).
7. Online-enabled through Nintendo WFC.
8. Still geared towards 2-D graphics, though more 3-D than the NDS.
9. Won't be designed for movies or music.

I don't know whether it'll be backwards-compatible with NDS games or not, but I doubt it. The NDS might not getting a successor until the timeframe that GBC came out for GB (not counting re-designs). Two screens might be included, though, as the DS has shown some really good uses of two screens (persistent maps, expanded play screen), in my opinion. However unless it does have backwards-compatibility with the NDS, it shouldn't have a touch-screen.

I think a microphone is also likely for online play and game mechanics. :)
 
But why? The DS is already perfectly capable of being a dumping ground for N64 titles, if developers so wished. There's no way in hell Nintendo would be foolish enough to release a PSP competitor with none of the DS advantages when it's not even as powerful as Sony's hardware was years before.

If Nintendo release a true GBA sequel, no different ways to play, it has to be better than the PSP or why would it sell?

Because that is not what the DS was designed to do. The DS was built to deliver new ways to play new games, and intuitive ways to play older styled games. And that is why you haven't seen the 'Dumping' of N64 ports on the system (bar Mario 64 of course).

I dont believe that Nintendo will try to Match Sony if that was not it's intention before PSP was announced or released.

The next Gameboy will, like the DS now, sell if The software is there to support it, not because its more powerful.

Theres really only so far a handheld, or any gaming device can go graphics-wise before its ridiculously in-effective and counter-productive. Nintendo knows this, and I doubt that you will see anything out of Nintendo ever that takes the PSP or in that case the PS3 on directly, until they are ready.

If Nintendo had have wanted, they would have been very SMART to have used the GameBoy name on the DS, but instead, they valued the idea of creating a completely new Brand that did not already have labels attached to it, so as to not confuse the demographics they were trying to engage for the DS with the ones that the GameBoy will always cater to. I doubt it was them trying to protect the GameBoy name, why do that and then never release one again???? foolish.
 

koam

Member
donny2112 said:
Code:
GBC   1998
GBA   2001
NDS   2004
GBE   2007?

Personally, I think Nintendo would want to stretch the GBA a little longer as they are quickly approaching current gen graphics on a handheld (something that they've shown they don't want to reach). Therefore, I think 2008 would be a good guess for the GBE.



An improved Game Boy is definitely coming. Nintendo themselves have repeatedly stated that it is in the works. I think the success of the DS has (hopefully) pushed it back a bit, but it is definitely still coming.

As far as features,



I think a microphone is also likely for online play and game mechanics. :)

Those specs are a load of crap. Why would it have GCN power and be primarly 2D. Even the DS is gradually making the move to 3D now.
 

donny2112

Member
koam said:
Those specs are a load of crap.

What specs? I said around GCN's power.

koam said:
Why would it have GCN power and be primarly 2D. Even the DS is gradually making the move to 3D now.

donny2112 said:
8. Still geared towards 2-D graphics, though more 3-D than the NDS.

I said "geared towards," not "restricted to." I think Nintendo wants their handhelds to still have a significant portion of their games in 2-D, but they obviously wouldn't shoot down game ideas because they were 3-D. The system should still have the power ("around GCN power") to do either.
 

Mama Smurf

My penis is still intact.
donny2112 said:
An improved Game Boy is definitely coming. Nintendo themselves have repeatedly stated that it is in the works. I think the success of the DS has (hopefully) pushed it back a bit, but it is definitely still coming.

I have absolutely no doubt Nintendo had one in the works, perhaps even still do. Nintendo have lots of things in the works all the time, doesn't mean we see them all. It would have been crazy not to have a GBA succesor being worked on, they had no idea if the DS would be a success or not. I just think that with the DS doing so well and a traditional handheld going entirely against Nintendo ideas of new, simple ways to play, a new Gameboy makes no sense.

cordonbleu said:
Because that is not what the DS was designed to do. The DS was built to deliver new ways to play new games, and intuitive ways to play older styled games. And that is why you haven't seen the 'Dumping' of N64 ports on the system (bar Mario 64 of course).

What, and Nintendo are going to release a system to dump their N64 games onto? With the Revolution's virtual console around? Let's be serious here, it just makes no sense. You have the DS, a system capable of putting out N64+ graphics. You have the Revolution, a system we already know is going to play N64 games. N64 games look like shit next to PSP games. You would not release a new system with that as a main selling point.

I dont believe that Nintendo will try to Match Sony if that was not it's intention before PSP was announced or released.

The next Gameboy will, like the DS now, sell if The software is there to support it, not because its more powerful.

You're not making sense. If you're going to have a weaker system than the PSP anyway, use the DS. It's already out there and popular and there are plenty of successful titles out that barely use any of the DS unique features. The only reason to release a new Gameboy is to compete with the PSP market.

I just can't get my head round why you think Nintendo would release a system less powerful than the PSP when the DS is already out there. Especially when a new PSP would be around the corner to make even their first system look redundant! People who want the best graphics/multimedia capabailities will go with the PSP or the next PSP. People who don't mind graphics but want something different will go for the DS or next DS. Who beyond the hardcore Nintendo faithful is this system going to appeal to! What advantages does it have?

N64 to DC levels...I mean...are you mad?

Theres really only so far a handheld, or any gaming device can go graphics-wise before its ridiculously in-effective and counter-productive. Nintendo knows this, and I doubt that you will see anything out of Nintendo ever that takes the PSP or in that case the PS3 on directly, until they are ready.

...then why even release it? What games do you think they can put on it that they can't on the DS or Revolution? If the DS was packed with just non-games I could maybe understand. It's not though, there are more traditional games than non-games out there. I mean what are they going to say: "The DS is great for non-games and the PSP has the best graphics, but the new Gameboy has great traditional titles like Mario Kart, Pokemon, Zelda, Mario, Kirby, Metroid, Advance Wars, Mario & Luigi, Starfi...wait a minute...the DS has these. Oh shit. Oh wait...WAIT! It has N64 games which we could have just released on the DS just as easily rather than making you buy a new system and you can of course get them all on the Revolution anyway...ermm....oooooh look at it's pretty colours. Please buy it."

I doubt it was them trying to protect the GameBoy name, why do that and then never release one again???? foolish.

Oh let me think, maybe in case the DS was a complete disaster and it damaged the Gameboy name when they tried to go back to a traditional handheld?
 

Tony HoTT

Banned
Nintendo can't release a new Gameboy soon. So many of its core Gameboy franchises have moved to the DS already. What would they release on the thing?
 
I have absolutely no doubt Nintendo had one in the works, perhaps even still do. Nintendo have lots of things in the works all the time, doesn't mean we see them all. It would have been crazy not to have a GBA succesor being worked on, they had no idea if the DS would be a success or not. I just think that with the DS doing so well and a traditional handheld going entirely against Nintendo ideas of new, simple ways to play, a new Gameboy makes no sense.

Yes Nintendo has new ideas of new and simple ways to play, but the Gameboy has never been a difficult gaming device to grasp. There aren't many buttons to use, its already simple. Further, they have also stated that they have no intentions of abandoning the current profitable concepts within the gaming realm.

What, and Nintendo are going to release a system to dump their N64 games onto? With the Revolution's virtual console around? Let's be serious here, it just makes no sense. You have the DS, a system capable of putting out N64+ graphics. You have the Revolution, a system we already know is going to play N64 games. N64 games look like shit next to PSP games. You would not release a new system with that as a main selling point.

I never said it was the main selling point, that is your limited assumption.

Yes the Revolution will have it's virtual console, but id wager a guess that not all games will be available for purchase on it, and perhaps you will find that the systems will link and you will be able to play your downloads on the new GameBoy.

I don't believe that on a small screen, the size of a PSP's that graphics matter, its definitely all gameplay. I don't think that Nintendo finds graphics to be the be all either.

Im completely serious, And I can see Nintendo pulling off a N64 Classics series on the Next Gameboy, and making millions, even with the Virtual console there, one does not necessarily count the other out, expand your mind a little dude. It's like saying the Virtual console will not work cause I can get those games for FREE emulated off the net, wake-up.

You're not making sense. If you're going to have a weaker system than the PSP anyway, use the DS. It's already out there and popular and there are plenty of successful titles out that barely use any of the DS unique features. The only reason to release a new Gameboy is to compete with the PSP market.

I just can't get my head round why you think Nintendo would release a system less powerful than the PSP when the DS is already out there. Especially when a new PSP would be around the corner to make even their first system look redundant! People who want the best graphics/multimedia capabailities will go with the PSP or the next PSP. People who don't mind graphics but want something different will go for the DS or next DS. Who beyond the hardcore Nintendo faithful is this system going to appeal to! What advantages does it have?

N64 to DC levels...I mean...are you mad?

You are not understanding. The DS, it can be argued, is a completely different product to what GameBoy and PSP is, as is PSP to GameBoy. I doubt you will see many Under eight to twelve year old kids with a PSP, or many adults apart from avid gamers with a GBA. Why? Because No right minded parent wound buy there child such an expensive piece of gaming equipment as the PSP, and as a parent, I know it isnt suitable, the games definitely are not aimed at them. So what caters for that market now?

With the PSP, Sony is attempting to create a completely new market for Handheld consoles, and that is the Teen to adult market.

With the DS, Nintendo is also attempting to engage new audiences whilst not turning off current handheld gamers.

A new Gameboy would be after the same market that Nintendo now caters to with the GBA, children and gamers. Thats it, it's not about competing with the PSP.
What out of Nintendos new philosophies makes you think that they will try to compete with the PSP?

The DS certainly is out there, as is the PSP. And I doubt that a new PSP is going to be out within the next five-seven years, how much better do you really believe the graphics could get on a Handheld? Next step logically for PSP is around PS2-PS3 graphics! Yeah right....

The only reason to release a new GameBoy is not to compete with the PSP at all, thats really a blind view. The reason to release a new GameBoy is to cater to it's current market (which is not the PSP's or DS's), and to continue it's Dominance. The next logical step for the graphics on a Nintendo Handheld is of course Gamecube graphics.

But, given the 'New Nintendo Philosophies' that you talked about, that would be counter-productive and ultimatly too-costly.

Nintendo is never going to offer multimedia functions in their handheld consoles as a standard, it does not make sense for them as a GAMING company to offer alternatives for people to not buy their products for their systems. Therefore, the next Gameboy could NEVER logically compete with what the PSP offers, apart from games...


...then why even release it? What games do you think they can put on it that they can't on the DS or Revolution? If the DS was packed with just non-games I could maybe understand. It's not though, there are more traditional games than non-games out there. I mean what are they going to say: "The DS is great for non-games and the PSP has the best graphics, but the new Gameboy has great traditional titles like Mario Kart, Pokemon, Zelda, Mario, Kirby, Metroid, Advance Wars, Mario & Luigi, Starfi...wait a minute...the DS has these. Oh shit. Oh wait...WAIT! It has N64 games which we could have just released on the DS just as easily rather than making you buy a new system and you can of course get them all on the Revolution anyway...ermm....oooooh look at it's pretty colours. Please buy it."

SEE ABOVE!

Of course there are more traditional games on DS as well, but the majority of these games are generally offered with a different control method.

Nintendo would be smart, for the GameBoy demographics, to release a N64-Dreamcast powered handheld, one screen, that yes, has ports, but also has that power to fulfill a generation of handheld games, like the GBA did with SNES, that is the logical step, Discounting DS.

Perhaps the Next GameBoy will be as powerful or moreso then the PSP, but thats not likely. Perhaps the Gameboy after next.

Oh let me think, maybe in case the DS was a complete disaster and it damaged the Gameboy name when they tried to go back to a traditional handheld?

What is it about the DS that makes it so BOLD that it could have been a complete Disaster??? Two Screens, a touch screen??? Its still just a gaming system.

Had it had the GAMEBOY name, it would have definitely been successful anyway, because it definitely WOULD have been the next Gameboy. And wouldnt have been competing with itself (GBA) as it would have been a figured replacement.

As I said, the DS is targeted intentionally at a much broader and in some cases mature and different demographic then the GameBoy. The GameBoy brand is known to be primarily targeted towards children. As the PLAYSTATION brand is KNOWN to be primarily targeted at Young adults and teenagers.
 

MrSardonic

The nerdiest nerd of all the nerds in nerdland
What if Sony release a handheld that "borrows" heavily from the innovative features of the DS but provides improved graphics over the DS? I don't own a DS yet, but to the DS owners out there, could the DS concept be executed on a "single" widescreen with maybe one half being touch-sensitive...or would this just become some horrible mess?
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
ziran said:
personally i believe this chart adds to the theory the psp's biggest competition is ps2 sw. ps2 owners are those buying a psp and when they're faced with a great ps2 line-up psp sw sales suffer. admittedly the psp releases this month haven't been strong, but why weren't they? sony knew the end year of the is when you must have a good line-up.
Perhaps they got confused with all the Easter talk. :lol
 

koam

Member
MrSardonic said:
What if Sony release a handheld that "borrows" heavily from the innovative features of the DS but provides improved graphics over the DS? I don't own a DS yet, but to the DS owners out there, could the DS concept be executed on a "single" widescreen with maybe one half being touch-sensitive...or would this just become some horrible mess?

Well, the problem with one screen is that your finger gets in the way of the screen so you can't see well.
 

cvxfreak

Member
cordonbleu said:
Yes Nintendo has new ideas of new and simple ways to play, but the Gameboy has never been a difficult gaming device to grasp. There aren't many buttons to use, its already simple. Further, they have also stated that they have no intentions of abandoning the current profitable concepts within the gaming realm.



I never said it was the main selling point, that is your limited assumption.

Yes the Revolution will have it's virtual console, but id wager a guess that not all games will be available for purchase on it, and perhaps you will find that the systems will link and you will be able to play your downloads on the new GameBoy.

I don't believe that on a small screen, the size of a PSP's that graphics matter, its definitely all gameplay. I don't think that Nintendo finds graphics to be the be all either.

Im completely serious, And I can see Nintendo pulling off a N64 Classics series on the Next Gameboy, and making millions, even with the Virtual console there, one does not necessarily count the other out, expand your mind a little dude. It's like saying the Virtual console will not work cause I can get those games for FREE emulated off the net, wake-up.



You are not understanding. The DS, it can be argued, is a completely different product to what GameBoy and PSP is, as is PSP to GameBoy. I doubt you will see many Under eight to twelve year old kids with a PSP, or many adults apart from avid gamers with a GBA. Why? Because No right minded parent wound buy there child such an expensive piece of gaming equipment as the PSP, and as a parent, I know it isnt suitable, the games definitely are not aimed at them. So what caters for that market now?

With the PSP, Sony is attempting to create a completely new market for Handheld consoles, and that is the Teen to adult market.

With the DS, Nintendo is also attempting to engage new audiences whilst not turning off current handheld gamers.

A new Gameboy would be after the same market that Nintendo now caters to with the GBA, children and gamers. Thats it, it's not about competing with the PSP.
What out of Nintendos new philosophies makes you think that they will try to compete with the PSP?

The DS certainly is out there, as is the PSP. And I doubt that a new PSP is going to be out within the next five-seven years, how much better do you really believe the graphics could get on a Handheld? Next step logically for PSP is around PS2-PS3 graphics! Yeah right....

The only reason to release a new GameBoy is not to compete with the PSP at all, thats really a blind view. The reason to release a new GameBoy is to cater to it's current market (which is not the PSP's or DS's), and to continue it's Dominance. The next logical step for the graphics on a Nintendo Handheld is of course Gamecube graphics.

But, given the 'New Nintendo Philosophies' that you talked about, that would be counter-productive and ultimatly too-costly.

Nintendo is never going to offer multimedia functions in their handheld consoles as a standard, it does not make sense for them as a GAMING company to offer alternatives for people to not buy their products for their systems. Therefore, the next Gameboy could NEVER logically compete with what the PSP offers, apart from games...




SEE ABOVE!

Of course there are more traditional games on DS as well, but the majority of these games are generally offered with a different control method.

Nintendo would be smart, for the GameBoy demographics, to release a N64-Dreamcast powered handheld, one screen, that yes, has ports, but also has that power to fulfill a generation of handheld games, like the GBA did with SNES, that is the logical step, Discounting DS.

Perhaps the Next GameBoy will be as powerful or moreso then the PSP, but thats not likely. Perhaps the Gameboy after next.



What is it about the DS that makes it so BOLD that it could have been a complete Disaster??? Two Screens, a touch screen??? Its still just a gaming system.

Had it had the GAMEBOY name, it would have definitely been successful anyway, because it definitely WOULD have been the next Gameboy. And wouldnt have been competing with itself (GBA) as it would have been a figured replacement.

As I said, the DS is targeted intentionally at a much broader and in some cases mature and different demographic then the GameBoy. The GameBoy brand is known to be primarily targeted towards children. As the PLAYSTATION brand is KNOWN to be primarily targeted at Young adults and teenagers.

Glad you don't call the shots at Nintendo.
 

Tony HoTT

Banned
MrSardonic said:
What if Sony release a handheld that "borrows" heavily from the innovative features of the DS but provides improved graphics over the DS? I don't own a DS yet, but to the DS owners out there, could the DS concept be executed on a "single" widescreen with maybe one half being touch-sensitive...or would this just become some horrible mess?

If we learned anything from this entire handheld war thing it should be that in the end it's truly about offering games (or non-games lol) that people want to play. If Sony made this wannabe DS system and even made it more powerful there is no guarantee that they would sell systems. It's the software line-up that's selling DS systems and not the hardware.
 

cvxfreak

Member
cordonbleu said:
Wow, profound. I wonder WHY though.

All ive stated is how Nintendo IS run, and how it WILL be run.

Well, it's my way of saying I disagree with what you said without having to tirelessly go through your long post.
 
Well, i guess you are right.

Nintendo will DEFINITELY match or better the PSP's power with the next Gameboy, just like they are matching the power of the PS3 with the Revolution...
 

cvxfreak

Member
cordonbleu said:
Well, i guess you are right.

Nintendo will DEFINITELY match or better the PSP's power with the next Gameboy, just like they are matching the power of the PS3 with the Revolution...

Well, in case you didn't hear, the Revolution is significantly weaker than the 360 and a little more powerful than the original Xbox. revolution.ign.cm
 

littlewig

Banned
CVXFREAK said:
Well, in case you didn't hear, the Revolution is significantly weaker than the 360 and a little more powerful than the original Xbox. revolution.ign.cm


IGN likes to report lies to make Nintendo look bad.
 
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