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All that I could be
Is all that I'll never be
Obsessed with this journey
Of houses and money
With nothing to play for
Where no one looks at me
That's all I need now the Devil's inside me

Hello? Yes? I'm not too sure who I'm meant to be
Did you want the priest or the adversary?

I'd blow your mind when I'm up high, to fall back down again
Up high, to fall back down again

Matt Berry - Devil Inside Me

I just got back from the Hamptons for my oldest bro's bachelor party, only have a few pictures for you guys, mostly of just the house, nothing special. Just wanted to share:

The floor plan of the house was really strange. It has like 4 or 5 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms with two separate staircases that dont meet.

Holy crap...That house is beautiful!
I would want a secret room filled with books as well. That'd be tight.
Also, I always surprise myself that people are never their avatars in reality.
On GAF, it's interesting if I think of a user based on their avatar. Like their talking based on their avatar...If that makes sense.
Like if a person has a cat as their avatar, I'd imagine a cat talking and posting on GAF saying whatever it is on their post.
...Just like I'm surprised when I see Pau that she is indeed not a Batman of any type.
...And that concludes Collete's weird thought of the day.
 
Matt Berry - Devil Inside Me



Holy crap...That house is beautiful!
I would want a secret room filled with books as well. That'd be tight.
Also, I always surprise myself that people are never their avatars in reality.
On GAF, it's interesting if I think of a user based on their avatar. Like their talking based on their avatar...If that makes sense.
Like if a person has a cat as their avatar, I'd imagine a cat talking and posting on GAF saying whatever it is on their post.
...Just like I'm surprised when I see Pau that she is indeed not a Batman of any type.
...And that concludes Collete's weird thought of the day.

I did actually expect you to look more like your avatar before I saw your picture.
 
Damn, the Hamptons? Fancy! Looks like a fun time with those ribs. :)

Oh yeah, those babies were simmering in a bath of redwine, beef stock, and juniper berries for a good 4 hours, literally falling off the bone!

Matt Berry - Devil Inside Me



Holy crap...That house is beautiful!
I would want a secret room filled with books as well. That'd be tight.
Also, I always surprise myself that people are never their avatars in reality.
On GAF, it's interesting if I think of a user based on their avatar. Like their talking based on their avatar...If that makes sense.
Like if a person has a cat as their avatar, I'd imagine a cat talking and posting on GAF saying whatever it is on their post.
...Just like I'm surprised when I see Pau that she is indeed not a Batman of any type.
...And that concludes Collete's weird thought of the day.

One day, I will buy a white sport jacket, black under shirt and my Sunglasses, then proceed to take a picture with my stainless steel .45. The only thing I won't really have is the tan and blonde hair.
 
Of course. Not thinking about the girl at all is an impossibility. Trying that will only guarantee frustration. My previous shrink advised me to just not think about a girl (my first) anymore once. I'm glad to be rid of him. But what I'm saying is, if you catch yourself just dwelling on the matter, seek an activity. Even if it's just filing your damn taxes. You can't erase the thoughts but you can damn sure try to tone 'em down.
I work with her. And today we have a departmental meeting. I am dreading this.

The last time I spoke with her it went very poorly, which was a week and a half ago. I ran into her in the hall. She asked me how I'm doing. I said "pretty good." I asked her how she is doing. Then I asked her how her summer was. And she said "great." And then I asked her if she did anything fun. And she said "of course!" in a rather pompous "as if I wouldn't have a good summer!" kind of way. And then she abruptly said "I've gotta go."

Emails following this engagement have gone unanswered.

I'm hurting today thinking about being in the same room as her. I am hurting thinking about having to ignore her. I am hurting thinking about how I hurt her when we broke up. And I am especially hurting thinking about how she didn't treat me with priority, how I felt so unwanted by her, and how I was there for her in her time of need, but not during my time of need. I didn't want to break up with her, I really didn't, but it wasn't a two-way street with her.

Edit - I know I should just take the mentality that I've been 100% transparent and straight-forward about how I feel and that the onus is on her. And clearly she doesn't give a flip. I just get so conflicted, tied, and twisted, though.

Double Edit - Departmental meeting cancelled.
 
Yeah, I've even posted in the ASMR threads a couple times. They sometimes help but more usually if I just put them on in the middle of the day. If I actually put it on while going to bed, I'll still have problems getting to sleep. It's like my body and mind know I'm making that attempt and it's refusing to let me pass out.

I've had that a few times. Once just before an exam, had to be there for 9am start but was still lying awake at 4am. No-matter what position you're in, it always seems uncomfortable after 30 seconds or so. Some tiny discomfort that won't let you sleep. Or the mind is racing. These days I just can't seem to be even in my "getting to sleep" mode until 1.30 am or something, it's getting stupid now. Not that I have trouble sleeping per se, but I just can't seem to control the urge to browse the net until about 1am and then it takes half an hour to get ready to start trying to sleep.

In fact, it's 1am now... :/

Start your day off right with a listen of this.

What would the fox say if he knew you were linking such silliness?
 
Start your day off right with a listen of this.

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You feeling better by the way?


I know it's difficult 46w, especially since you can't avoid her 24/7 due to work, but you really need to find a way to put her out of your mind. Darkwater has it right that you need to find something that clears your mind. You might still love her, but she is toxic to you and (from what I understood from our chats) quite a fucking bitch. I think I asked you before but just what makes her so special to you?

How about making a list of all her negative points? Maybe if you start dwelling on the negatives (instead of the positives) you might start to hate her. That would be atleast some sort of improvement.

Or at least I think so. Never had the experience myself so it's easy for me to say.
 
On a more serious note, I am finding myself become more reclusive... Interacting with people is becoming more cumbersome and bothersome, and when I do interact with people, I feel like a bother.
 
I survived without throwing up everywhere due to anxiety!

The lecture (bio 1000) was absolutely worthless. It being the first day, the professor just introduced herself (met her at orientation last week already), told us that people watch porn on their laptops in class sometimes, and repeated more or less everything she emailed to us a while ago. Got there 2 minutes late since I was buying my textbooks at the bookstore and the line was huge, so I had to stand at the back for 50 minutes. Joy. I am not looking forward to tomorrow; 3-hour chem 1000 lecture from 7pm-10pm.

Also, I bought a study guide to use with the textbook. Its like 4 times thicker than the textbook itself. Was this a dumb move? :/ Sorry, that's a dumb question to post here, but maybe someone can enlighten me.
 
I survived without throwing up everywhere due to anxiety!

The lecture (bio 1000) was absolutely worthless. It being the first day, she just introduced herself (met her at orientation last week already), told us that people watch porn on their laptops in class sometimes, and repeated more or less everything she emailed to us a while ago. Got there late so I had to stand at the back for 50 minutes. Joy. I am not looking forward to tomorrow; 3-hour chem 1000 lecture from 7pm-10pm.

Also, I bought a study guide to use with the textbook. Its like 4 times thicker than the textbook itself. Was this a dumb move? :/ Sorry, that's a dumb question to post here, but maybe someone can enlighten me.
Congrats on surviving the first day!

As far as the study guide goes, it'll really burn down to how you use it and how good the guide is. Sometimes seeing material in a different format can help you understand the content better. Only time will tell though. Hopefully it didn't cost you a bazillion dollars or has good resell value.
 
First time poster on this thread. So I'm seriously depressed. Lost my job a month of so ago and have been having lots of trouble finding a new one. Got up this morning to continue and couldn't even get dressed so I said fuck it. I'm also trying to stay sober throughout all of this. It's fucking hard as hell. The thought of drinking is always on my mind. Luckily I have an appointment on the 17th to try and get back on anti depressants. Hopefully that will help.
 
I survived without throwing up everywhere due to anxiety!

The lecture (bio 1000) was absolutely worthless. It being the first day, the professor just introduced herself (met her at orientation last week already), told us that people watch porn on their laptops in class sometimes, and repeated more or less everything she emailed to us a while ago. Got there 2 minutes late since I was buying my textbooks at the bookstore and the line was huge, so I had to stand at the back for 50 minutes. Joy. I am not looking forward to tomorrow; 3-hour chem 1000 lecture from 7pm-10pm.

Also, I bought a study guide to use with the textbook. Its like 4 times thicker than the textbook itself. Was this a dumb move? :/ Sorry, that's a dumb question to post here, but maybe someone can enlighten me.

First week lectures are mostly going over the syllabus yeah.

Study guides are decent since they help with going over practice questions in the textbook, so you'll be more prepared for the exam. I don't personally buy them, but they're not really a waste
 
First time poster on this thread. So I'm seriously depressed. Lost my job a month of so ago and have been having lots of trouble finding a new one. Got up this morning to continue and couldn't even get dressed so I said fuck it. I'm also trying to stay sober throughout all of this. It's fucking hard as hell. The thought of drinking is always on my mind. Luckily I have an appointment on the 17th to try and get back on anti depressants. Hopefully that will help.
Sorry to hear about your job loss! Hopefully your resume is current and up to date.

I push this a lot, so let me reiterate it one more time, stay away from alcohol (and drugs). They will not fix you, they will mask the pain, and will cause their own set of problems. Dealing with this sober is going to suck, but it is what you have to do.

Try and seek a counselor, if you can. Anti-depressants normally take up to six weeks before they kick in, so talk therapy may help you through all of this. Of course, we're all here for you in the meantime, too.

And one final thing, as my social worker, Todd, says, "fake it 'til you make it!" This mantra has helped me tremendously through my depression. Basically, you have to will yourself to do the things the depression is keeping you from doing, as it creates a vicious cycle of not doing, being depressed, not doing, being depressed, etc. And I'm not saying build Rome in a day. You can do simple things that are going unkept. Or, from your example, getting dressed. I truly believe this mantra works.
 
Adele -- Make you Feel My Love


When the rain is blowing in your face,
And the whole world is on your case,
I could offer you a warm embrace
To make you feel my love.

When the evening shadows and the stars appear,
And there is no one there to dry your tears,
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love.

I know you haven't made your mind up yet,
But I would never do you wrong.
I've known it from the moment that we met,
No doubt in my mind where you belong.

I'd go hungry; I'd go black and blue,
I'd go crawling down the avenue.
No, there's nothing that I wouldn't do
To make you feel my love.

The storms are raging on the rolling sea
And on the highway of regret.
The winds of change are blowing wild and free,
You ain't seen nothing like me yet.

I could make you happy, make your dreams come true.
Nothing that I wouldn't do.
Go to the ends of the Earth for you,
To make you feel my love
To make you feel my love


Lene Marlin -- Hope You're Happy

I can speak about the pain you know
What you say you didn't see
I can show you all my scars you know
The ones I keep inside of me

Would that make it easier
Or would it be the same

Sorry that I could not be
As perfect as you wanted me
Just wondering what's going on in your mind
I sure hope you're fine
I hope your conscience is clear
Hope you're happy

I can tell about the times you know
When I wished to leave this world
I can read to you the letters I wrote
All the words you say you've never heard

Sorry that I could not be
As perfect as you wanted me
Just wondering what's going on in your mind
I sure hope you're fine
I hope your conscience is clear
Hope you're happy

Sorry that I could not be
As perfect as you wanted me
Just wondering what's going on in your mind
I sure hope you're fine
I hope your conscience is clear
Hope you're happy

Sorry that I could not be
As perfect as you wanted me
Just wondering what's going on in your mind
I sure hope you're fine
I hope your conscience is clear
Hope you're happy

*dabs tears*
 
Often in my relationships with so-called stable people, I sense a certain amount of frustration on their end when I'm poor with communication or overly moody. They find it difficult to relate to depression and the forces which can switch my mood from one extreme to the next.

I think that's why it's such a relief to have befriended people who also suffer from this beast. It's like looking in a mirror. If one person is feeling down, uncommunicative or just generally surly, I understand. It takes me back to so many of my own battles, when I felt the same way, did the same things and the anguish I felt when the people around me just didn't get it and reacted with passive-aggressive behavior or just plain nastiness. But we get it. We can smile, hold our arms out in support and give that person whatever they need, whether it's love or space.

The sun is out today and that almost always improves my mood (which has generally been stable for the last week). Better yet, it's supposed to remain this way for the next week (and even hotter). We take what we can get, fight the battles that can be won and shrug off the ones that perhaps are beyond us (even if just at the moment).
 
Oh my God. Just had that English tutor/teacher interview. I was nervous as hell throughout it, but I tried to present myself as super confident. I think it worked? I think the interview went well? Got a few laughs out of the interviewer. Have to wait about two days to find out if I get to proceed with it, or it's a bust. Start anxiety and stressing about it now! (I need to find some way to relax and not do this to myself.) :(

EDIT: I don't even know if I want it anymore, I've made myself so anxious. It means interacting. With people. D:
 
Oh my God. Just had that English tutor/teacher interview. I was nervous as hell throughout it, but I tried to present myself as super confident. I think it worked? I think the interview went well? Got a few laughs out of the interviewer. Have to wait about two days to find out if I get to proceed with it, or it's a bust.
This is a perfect example of "fake it 'til you make it." Play a front enough times and you trick your mind and body to become that front. "Be the person you wish you were" is another appropriate saying.
 
I haven't posted here in ages but I wanted to recommend Watamote for anyone who's looking for an anime to watch.

The show is pretty funny overall and I can definitely relate to some of the situations that the main character goes through.
 
Don't fret that too much. Programming takes a certain mind period. I'm an IT Professional and have been for six years now and you still couldn't get me to program for a damn. Just recognize this class is going to take more time than others.

But still go see a psychologist. They are wonderfully helpful at all times in your life.

No kiddin. I have been programming professionally for about a decade and I'm still struggling with some of the stuff in this algorithms class I'm taking through Coursera. It takes me back to my college days when I struggled with the same stuff. I used to feel so stupid, largely because others around me seemed to understand everything so easily. But everyone learns at their own pace.

I think the key is not to worry about how fast you learn but to keep making progress even if it's only baby steps. Also, each successive concept tends to be so dependent on a good understanding of what's come before that it's imperative to make sure you understand the current idea before moving on to the next thing.
 
Happy birthday, Agent Cooper!

I haven't posted here in ages but I wanted to recommend Watamote for anyone who's looking for an anime to watch.

The show is pretty funny overall and I can definitely relate to some of the situations that the main character goes through.

I'll second this. It's very relatable to anyone who undergoes anxiety, or has been through a tough period at school. It highlights a lot of awkward situations that I'm sure a lot of us go through, and takes a different perspective, one that finds the humour in even the worst circumstances.
 
Not sure how to post this, so apologies in advance for the jumbled nature of it.. just wanting to get some of this out, so thanks.

I feel as if I should be more depressed than I am sometimes as weird as that sounds. All things considered, I manage things fine, I'm fairly optimistic, even if I fall back on cynicism every once in a while. I find I tend to do good as long as I maintain positivity around me. So when my wife's depression kicks in, and she gets a little depressed it's suddenly a lot harder for me to maintain that positive outlook.

BACKSTORY:
I've been unemployed since June 2011. I took the opportunity to go back to school full time to finish the degree I had been working on in my spare time. I have still been unable to find full time employment as of this post despite a handful of interviews (even making it to the final round/two/etc in three occasions) I managed to finally get a part time job that had sporadic hours based on the season (box office theater work -- summer season we have shows, so hours will vary from 50 hours one month to 10 another)

Long story short, I've exhausted unemployment.. was receiving assistance to keep our house out of foreclosure but that recently expired as well. Keeping our house is paramount to me as my daughter is in a charter school and I don't know if she can still attend if we had to move. Additionally, I put off getting a pet for years and finally caved for my daughter. Moving would likely mean we'd have to lose the family pet as well.

A few months ago, my wife's grandmother was diagnosed with lung cancer. My relatives are all out of state and it's been a while since I've had to deal with death. She helped raise our daughter when my wife lost her job and we couldn't afford the daycare we had her in (wife got a new job soon thereafter, btw) Anyways, her grandmother passed away last week. I handled it well, and helped my daughter and wife cope with things and feel I did an excellent job. We've prepared my daughter for a while now, but it still hit my wife hard.

Anyways, as far as my part time job goes.. the boss is very sarcastic and antagonistic. She hired me because "the office needs a guy for stuff like security and lifting things" She always complains about her ex-husband and I get the impression I'm held to a higher standard by being male. She's bitter to the point of cutting back hours of people who have 'crossed her' which has happened to a few people. Long story short, I volunteered to come in on my day off to help her with a show, but because my wife's grandmother was rushed to the hospital, it slipped my mind. I apologized and tried to explain and was threatened that if it happened again she would fire me. That week, another person in the department didn't show up and they all laughed it off with no consequences. And yes, it happened again this past week on the day of the funeral. I forgot to show up which is uncharacteristic of me. So I think things are finally getting to me but I'm just kind of numb if that makes sense.

She said we'd talk about it, but I think she's just wanting to yell at me in person. I've pretty much written it off and it's depressing to think that the only opportunity I had, even if it was a really bad work environment may be gone. And what it means as far as my family responsibilities go. I continue to apply and hope something happens, but honestly I'm not too optimistic it will, just being a realist.

I have no problem with interviews, and feel I'm doing great with them when I get the chance to even interview. So it's not a matter of projecting positivity/confidence/etc.

I just seem to have run into a lot of bad luck. I used to always think that it meant some good news is right around the corner, but it's been 2 and a half years now.

Thanks for letting me ramble.
 
I work with her. And today we have a departmental meeting. I am dreading this.

The last time I spoke with her it went very poorly, which was a week and a half ago. I ran into her in the hall. She asked me how I'm doing. I said "pretty good." I asked her how she is doing. Then I asked her how her summer was. And she said "great." And then I asked her if she did anything fun. And she said "of course!" in a rather pompous "as if I wouldn't have a good summer!" kind of way. And then she abruptly said "I've gotta go."

Emails following this engagement have gone unanswered.

I'm hurting today thinking about being in the same room as her. I am hurting thinking about having to ignore her. I am hurting thinking about how I hurt her when we broke up. And I am especially hurting thinking about how she didn't treat me with priority, how I felt so unwanted by her, and how I was there for her in her time of need, but not during my time of need. I didn't want to break up with her, I really didn't, but it wasn't a two-way street with her.

Edit - I know I should just take the mentality that I've been 100% transparent and straight-forward about how I feel and that the onus is on her. And clearly she doesn't give a flip. I just get so conflicted, tied, and twisted, though.

Double Edit - Departmental meeting cancelled.

Oi. Working with her is a different beast entirely. Sorry to hear you're in that kind of a jam. I have a co-worker like this from a long while ago. A great big pain in the balls is what it is. Still it taught me one thing: don't fucking shit where you eat, unless the potential consequences are worth it (and don't lie to yourself about this). I hope you agree.

Why are you e-mailing her though? Is it work stuff? Personal? 'Cause you've gotta be a man, man. You broke up with her, and clearly (as is mostly the case) things are now no longer peachy between you two. Aside from the necessaries for work, no more contact. Not only does it show weakness when you initiate that, but you're only asking for more anguish. Don't do it. As we say in The Netherlands, 'keep the honor to yourself.'

Our cases are not so different I think. I too was always there for my girl. Always tried my best to be a great boyfriend. Always supported, understood and communicated. When I needed her the most, she didn't communicate with me and left me. And yeah, I miss her so much it hurts sometimes. But like I asked her myself: if she can only love me when there isn't a cloud in the sky, then what is it exactly that I've lost? From what I understand, that's a similarity between us. So don't forget that. Stay strong. Every time you miss the way she fulfilled you, try to say 'Fuck that noise. Whatever she provided for me, I'mma do it myself God damn it.' It's what I do.

You've gotten rid of the 'evidence' at least? Pictures, e-mails, texts, that stuff?

Good to hear the meeting was cancelled. One less source of stress right now, huh?
 
I haven't posted here in forever. Hope you guys are ok and feeling better. I've sort of avoided talking about my problems around here. Anyways, just thought to say hi, take care.
 
Illness as identity

I find it quite amusing when I read stuff about mental illness being a misunderstood identity instead of an illness with both psychological and physiological factors. While it is true that mental illnesses are rather misunderstood and misrepresented by the media and news outlets (another topic for another day), it is not just reducible to a character attribute or identity and that psychotherapy and medications are a way of “Big Pharma” and whatnot to destroy that identity to create a narrative of the normal.

It's quite easy to come to the conclusion that your illness is your identity but is it really? Without getting into the postmodern, let's see what makes your identity; gender and sexuality (malleable, however it may be), your interests and hobbies, how you carry yourself, your friends and relationships, attitudes and etc. A mechanism of depression and many mental illnesses is the loss of interest in what you love, your energy and overall levels of enthusiasm. Can you really say that because of how you feel at a certain time, especially when down, a part of what makes you, you? Because I can certainly say for myself, that when I feel down, I don't want to do anything, but when I feel better, it all comes back and this is certainly true for many.

Another thing is the idea that by medications, we become slaves, zombies, addictive, and lose our identity. I think that is a flawed assessment. Since depression does have a physiological component these drugs are beneficial. Even more so for bi-polar, and psychotic illness. Those medications make you normal in the sense of you are in control and not your illness. For many with bi-polar, it feels like a high, like this is the true you when in fact your brain isn't functioning right and many engage in risky behavior that may have grave consequences. The other thing is that taking a few pills a day makes you a slave, I mean how could it? It's pop and swallow, it's less invasive than a diabetic taking insulin. For diabetics, taking medication and making a few lifestyle changes are required, but does that end or change their identity? No. It might make them more aware of certain risk behaviors, but it doesn't change their personality.

If you are taking drugs prescribed by a psychiatrist that means there is something wrong, that you're brain isn't functioning as it should. It has nothing to do with forcing a narrative of the normal or any other alternative, conspiratorial bullshit. It has to do with the efficacy of these drugs and yes, right now it's very inefficient to find out what drugs work for you individually, but as there is more research and testing, there will be better drugs. It's really frustrating to see the viewpoint of many that drugs are a “cheat” or something to shy away from, when instead it could be a lifesaver.

And side-effects? While those maybe scary to think of at first, having untreated and undiagnosed mental illness can have far worse consequences than many of the side-effects of the drugs, which are more of a slight nuisance than actual danger. Especially with sexual side-effects, that has more to do with having an open communication with yourself and your partner. There are two people in a relationship, so I find that argument really selfish considering that without meds things can go quicker downhill and result in death rather than taking the meds and having to adjust yourself in the bedroom.
 
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