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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
You have to ask yourself though, if the deal between Sony and Bungie was in the making for 6 months, did MS's purchase of Zenimax prompt Sony to start negotiations, and did MS's purchase of Activision trigger the purchase?
Not saying it was a desperate move but it's pretty confusing that Sony spent 3 trillion on a multiplat dev and not something I think they would have done if MS hadn't started with the purchase of Zenimax.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Teams don't give players high priced contracts for the things they did. They give them high priced contracts for what they expect them to produce moving forward.
Sony gave them 3B for their post Destiny work. The fact that this guys bringing up Destiny is unreal. A tie, glasses, salt n pepper hair goes a loooong way doesn't it?
Sony gave them 3B for their post Destiny work. The fact that this guys bringing up Destiny is unreal. A tie, glasses, salt n pepper hair goes a loooong way doesn't it?
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Sony believes in Bungie's next IP too. We won't know if it was worth it for several years. Maybe it will be the next Fortnite, who knows? Bungie are great developers and they have a huge following.
Until then buy The Witch Queen on February 22nd
Until then buy The Witch Queen on February 22nd
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
The winner here is previous Bungie ownership.
Barakov
Member
At this point, you have to wonder how many times Pachter has been right about something games industry related.
KingGhidorah
Banned
For once I agree, it’s a terrible deal, one of the worst. No IP required, Bungie still multiplatform, for 3.6B!! then what do the gain?!? Online knowledge/capability?!?!? Fuck that, just sign some exclusive partnership or something
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Imagine dying on the same hill as Pachter.
What does "No IP required" even mean? Did your brain short-circuit or something?
Sony acquired the Destiny IP and the new IP Bungie is creating.
Know-how and tech to enter the hottest (revenue-speaking) field of the gaming industry isn't nearly as small as you describe it.
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kingfey
Banned
Are you saying FPS studio is terrible deal for Sony?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I think it's a schtick. There's no way someone can be so wrong almost 100% of the time and have an actual job in the industry as an analyst.
At this point, you have to wonder how many times Pachter has been right about something games industry related.
He's hoodwinking us.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
His reasoning is stupid - EA purchased 4 YEARS AGO . That was Respawn value 4 YEARS AGO. He knows better but its obvious he wants attention.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
I don't think it's desperation from a "we need a certain library of game IP" perspective as much as it is a "we need tech and infrastructure now" sort of thing. Destiny can fill the online shooter gap if it becomes a problem for them but it seems more like a way to get them to a place where they can build more connected, online multiplayer games without having to build their own tech to do it. So the "desperation" isn't desperation as much as it not wanting to take the time to build from scratch to get a piece of the GAAS pie. That could be worth the investment. A good online game with MTX could easily pull in a couple billion bucks a year. That game doesn't have to be Destiny.
jakinov
Member
- Bungie has more brand value than Respawn
- Bungie game is GaaS they continue to make large revenue yearly instead of every X years after a game is made
- on that same note GaaS have potential to continue to grow without making a brand new game
- GaaS also likely means better margins as core technology and tooling mostly stays the same and content just gets churned out
- Bungie at 800+ employees is a well oiled machine, it's hard to get a shit ton of employees to work effectively with each other to produce results, bungie gets shit done, look at 343 who had way too many people but they just end up stepping on each others toes
- Bungie deal likely wasn't retaliation to Mirosoft, they even said it was GaaS and growth. The entire divsion as a whole increases revenues and more profit overall.
Respawn today with both Star Wars and Apex (GaaS) would sell for quite a bit too. Even Remedy is worth over $500M right now and EA bought codemasters for $1.2 Billion. And bugine is arguably better than all that.
- Bungie game is GaaS they continue to make large revenue yearly instead of every X years after a game is made
- on that same note GaaS have potential to continue to grow without making a brand new game
- GaaS also likely means better margins as core technology and tooling mostly stays the same and content just gets churned out
- Bungie at 800+ employees is a well oiled machine, it's hard to get a shit ton of employees to work effectively with each other to produce results, bungie gets shit done, look at 343 who had way too many people but they just end up stepping on each others toes
- Bungie deal likely wasn't retaliation to Mirosoft, they even said it was GaaS and growth. The entire divsion as a whole increases revenues and more profit overall.
Respawn today with both Star Wars and Apex (GaaS) would sell for quite a bit too. Even Remedy is worth over $500M right now and EA bought codemasters for $1.2 Billion. And bugine is arguably better than all that.
prinz_valium
Member
Don't think desperation is true, but the price is to high.
Minecraft was $2.5bn, Respawn was $700m after bonus payouts because they performed that good. Insomica was $225m (tho without any IP)
Zynga and Activison were both sold below last year's high.
BUT who knows. Could turn out as a bargain.
Minecraft was $2.5bn, Respawn was $700m after bonus payouts because they performed that good. Insomica was $225m (tho without any IP)
Zynga and Activison were both sold below last year's high.
BUT who knows. Could turn out as a bargain.
You are probably right. Please PM me if you ever want to bet money.
Shmunter
Member
Of course it is. Sony the house of original home grown ip’s had to pay for something they should have developed. How many decades are they in the business for?
Conversely MS buying publishers is the same story. Neglect and a need to remain competitive by paying out.
Regarding the price tag remains to be seen. Sony still has a keen eye for talent and have likely seen what’s in the oven.
Conversely MS buying publishers is the same story. Neglect and a need to remain competitive by paying out.
Regarding the price tag remains to be seen. Sony still has a keen eye for talent and have likely seen what’s in the oven.
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Klayzer
Member
So did Microsoft for Bethesda and Actvision, those same hypocrites are pounding their chest like they won the lottery or something.
Aion002
Member
Deerock71
Member
I actually view this as a chess move along the lines of potentially taking the queen. Those were pieces both Sony and Microsoft had, mind you. It produced either the largest 3rd party revenue for both, or close to it (source: my ass, but I'm sure somebody has a better source that could back that up). One could make the case EA might be the 3rd party queen, but my point still stands; taking a piece away from Sony's board THIS substantial, while not a kill shot, is a massive blow to the playing field.
SentientStone
Member
Plot twist: Sony buys Michael Pachter.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
It fills a gap for Sony. But the price tag is outrageous.
Thirty7ven
Banned
This dude is an idiot, trash takes for 15 years. I’m sure if any other company had bought them it wouldn’t be desperation.
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Swift_Star
Banned
One can spin any action into what they want it to be.Nah... That's just EEE....
Shmunter
Member
Im no crystal ball gazer, but I’d bet my bottom dollar Bungie has a top 10 BR game well underway.
I’d say it’s easier to guarantee a top 10 than not. They have the best shooter mechanics in the biz, they have successful monetisation experience, they not only have the Bungie “Makers of Halo and Destiny” seal of approval, but also now Sony. The quality and hype will make it a hit in every category.
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At their prime of getting dropped from their 10 year contract due to poor sales.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Can't really say what will happen with these acquisitions until years out
Yoboman
Member
Generally a top 10 GAAS game on any platform, about to have its biggest expansion and making records for Bungie profit. Yeah that's prime
abrabriel how is possible that you are so chained to the industry and still after 15 years that I read you are so Sony partisan? cmon man
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rickybooby87
Member
Obviously Michael patcher had never heard of Inflation. Geez. Someone take that man’s keyboard.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
there are probably also analysis he does for cash when a company hires him. the stuff he says on interviews is public.