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Metal Gear Community Thread: Made you wait, didn't I?
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Fantastic, then.
Sneak up to them with the dpad, you footsteps won't make any noise then.
SJRB
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I wonder how different everything would've been if Zero had a different voice actor.
The "cop-out" that Zero started the Patriots because of undying love and admiration for the Boss is 100% nonsense if you replay MGS3, where Zero gives no fucks about the Boss whatsoever. Or anything else, for that matter.
You never get the notion Snake and Zero are good friends, let alone brothers for life like MGS4 wants you to believe. And you certainly never get the notion Zero gives a fuck about anything, really. Snake just escaped prison, jumped down this massive sewer drainage, had a near-death experience? Zero doesn't give a fuck. The Boss ambushes Snake in the middle of the forest? Zero doesn't care. All the stuff with EVA, Sokolov, Granin? Whatever.
Or at least, Zero SOUNDS like he doesn't care. Replaying MGS3 only makes me hate MGS4 even more because it not only retroactively shits on everything and everybody from MGS2, but also ruins MGS3.
I'm going to really agree with this.
not played metal gear or metal gear solid snake.
so if big boss is running outer heaven why does he send in and help snake bring down his own base?
I personally think kojima lost the plot and for no reason just starting shoving big boss down our throats
even forcing old snake in mgs4 to wear that stupid eye thing to look like the boss.
so if big boss is running outer heaven why does he send in and help snake bring down his own base?
I personally think kojima lost the plot and for no reason just starting shoving big boss down our throats
even forcing old snake in mgs4 to wear that stupid eye thing to look like the boss.
There is a way to explain this. Dont forget that we only see Zero during the mission and during the mission he is representing the government of the United States and he sure as hell is being monitored , he can only do his job, the boss was "an enemy" of the USA. He couldn't possibly show his true feelings on the matter, he has a job to do and that's all.
We never actually got to see the man behind Major Zero.
His more personal interactions as well as his actual personality/motivations/hopes and dreams with big boss can only be seen outside of that context and unfortunately we are never shown that but it's implicit that it happens after the Snake Eater debacle in between Peace Walker and MGS 3.
I do get where you are coming from though, I just choose to have a different interpretation.
Big Boss sends in Snake because he hopes his inexperience will cause him to fail, he also sets traps for Snake and gives him bad advice on purpose.
Sounds stupid. Why not send in nobody.
Weirdly enough, I have similar VA issues for MGS3, but for two other characters; The Boss and Volgin. Genuinely dislike both performances and they're the main reason I've never been able to properly care for that game's story. Volgin always sounded to over the top and cartoonish for me to see as a real threat.
The Boss is just more of a personal thing, she just sounded to cold and uncaring. I can see how some might like that performance and it can fit an interpration of her character, but my taking was that she was a more caring and motherly figure, albeit still professional. To me, it's that idea for the character that would make me understand why almost everyone in the universe who meets her ends up fawning over her and her having left a large impact on them, even in such short meetings. I think Kojima even mentioned a narturing aspect to her character in regards to the Japanese voice. To me, that's lost with the English dub.
It was Snakes first actual mission, Big Boss assumed the rookie wouldn't stand a chance, in his mind it was just the logical thing to do, I don't know how many other operatives he had, but picking Snake seemed as good a choice as any.
Rogue Agent
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Also, Chico and Paz would only listen to Snake. Because there's only one Snake. An MSF Soldier can easily be someone else like a spy.
Cause patriots
TheBoss1
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That response just never gets old LMAO
Fancy Clown
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I always thought Volgin's voice matched his character, as he's an over the top and cartoonish dude. Even though he's not a deep character, I feel his particular quirks make him very indelible in my opinion.
I tried to get S ranking, but I said fuck it! the vehicle boss battle are so boring. They will never end.
Three times for me, one on psp, one on HD and again before GZ launched. I can definitely see myself playing through it again somewhere down the line.
But man, screw S ranking all those long, boring, near endless vehicle boss battles again, in fact, screw even going near them ever again.
Also, Snake mustache in MGS4 is awesome.
Soodanim
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I played a lot of Peace Walker HD, but there is no way I was going to do those vehicle missions. I did a few in order to get some special items (bandanna, IIRC) but after that I decided there was absolutely nothing to gain from it. I got bored of the
missions too, because they take an equal amount of foreverness to do.
This thread does make me want to play MGS3 again though. Perhaps try out one of those air support strikes that I've never done before.
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This thread does make me want to play MGS3 again though. Perhaps try out one of those air support strikes that I've never done before.
nillapuddin
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that video was one of the most amazing game clips Ive ever seen
Wait, what? Even if my analog is barely tilted and I'm sneaking? I thought that was that benefit of analog versus digital. Unless digital is for sneaking only..
And I have just been murdering everyone from behind. But every now and then when I interrogate at knife point it has a difficult time slitting afterwards.
In MGS3, sneaking using the analog stick works up to a point, then you need to use the d-pad. D-pad movement is actually something called "stalking" which makes you inaudible, but uses up more stamina. It is a different gameplay function than analog sneaking.
Man I can't stand Peace Walker. This game is more awful than I could've imagined. Those are six hours of my life I'll never get back.
After you grab an enemy, throw him to the ground. If you point the gun immediately then you'll neutralize him without killing him, you'll sort of take him hostage. Shoot between his legs to get items.
After you grab an enemy, throw him to the ground. If you point the gun immediately then you'll neutralize him without killing him, you'll sort of take him hostage. Shoot between his legs to get items.
It's been a while since I played MGS3, wondering if this gameplay mechanic is still in the game:
According to very early previews, if you blow up a storage facility, soldiers won't be able to eat food and will wander around hungry. It affects their performance and you can hear their stomachs growling.
That's the immersion I love... but I can't remember if it was actually in the game.
According to very early previews, if you blow up a storage facility, soldiers won't be able to eat food and will wander around hungry. It affects their performance and you can hear their stomachs growling.
That's the immersion I love... but I can't remember if it was actually in the game.
I had a communication that told me to do this. But I didn't want to alert everyone, so it is in there.
It works, but it puts enemies in the area into "caution" mode. However, at a later point you will reap the benefits when guards are hungry. They will literally eat anything you throw at them without question, including poisonous/rotten food that takes them out.
I believe you can also destroy weapon supplies, which means enemies are more reluctant to fire at you if you're spotted, since they need to conserve their ammunition.
Also, if you take out the helicopter with C4 early on in the game, at a later part you won't have to deal with it flying around a certain area.
Don't let the scientists see your face. Keep your back to them when they're looking at you.
Nintendoga
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Man, I love the dive in GZ, but nothing will ever beat the roll or cartwheel.
Watching Snake roll down stairs only to fall on his ass never gets old.
Watching Snake roll down stairs only to fall on his ass never gets old.
I think Big Boss also wanted to get Solid Snake killed because he was still salty over getting cloned.
KittenMaster
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I think the problems is that explanations about what MGS4 did are just that... explanations. They don't really fill in characterization gaps as much as explain why a gap is there.
Hilarious, because I swore I tried that and it didn't work. Did it tell you not to have them see your face?
Will try again, but there is another silencer and battery that would come in handy.
Nice, pressing the action button while in the scientist coat pushes up your glasses.
If you hold it, it may hide your face.
And guards will kick you down. And when trying to escape one caught me and threw me in jail. Hah.
Soodanim
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That's one area of the game that I'm really bad at.
I'll keep an eye on this thread, even if it's only to see your first time thoughts (on one of the best games ever made).
The first game story was pretty bareboned. That is one of the many reason why i want it to get remade.
One of my favorite details was this EGM cover that's lying around near an entrance desk in one of the buildings
Just beat The Fear. These bosses are pretty easy, but their characters are cool.
There are a ton of EGM magazines in the Lab. But they had a different cover.
I think it may have been this one.
One of my favorite details was this EGM cover that's lying around near an entrance desk in one of the buildings
There are a ton of EGM magazines in the Lab. But they had a different cover.
I think it may have been this one.
That's a fair point but I don't see how they could cram Zero's implicitly complex character development into MGS4(especially since it already had such a massive amount of things to explain and finalize), they gave us a basic outline of the events with understandable motivations.
The prequels are being made to flesh out that part of the story in more close detail, personally Im totally ok with that.
Probably, especially since the one I posted was a review cover. Maybe the review cover was added in for the HD collection or subsistence? I don't remember what it was exactly, but I know I had whichever issue it was.
You can also get by that part easily with the cardboard box equipped. The scientists will be puzzled but they won't sound the alarm.
One of the fun things about the Raikov costume is that you can go up to the alarms and pull them and no one goes after you because they think you're really him. Not to mention being able to punch the enemies in the face whenever you want.
I have come to the mountaintop of MGS3 where he meet EVA again. David Hayter really nail here how Naked Snake feel about the Boss. I like how he is feeling conflict about his mission and his relationship with the Boss. The music is also great in that scene. The sexual tension between EVA and Naked Snake is also pretty good.
Yeah, that's a great scene. Makes sneaking through that mountain section worth it.
russian box
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PG made me want to get into MGS again, i'm about to enjoy the HD collection
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