Love Deterrence
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Metal Gear Community Thread |OT3| The Best is Yet to Come
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First off thanks for taking the time to address all my points - love being able to debate rationally about this sensitive subject a lot of people jump to conclusions about.
I don't really disagree with anything you just put forth. I think you're right in that applying the 'waiting' characteristic to The End sort of defeats that line of sexist argument. Of course its in EVA's nature to be deceptive because shes a spy, and that it being a sexist trait is sort of mitigated by the fact that she actually gets one over on the boss (kind of).
Though, playing devil's advocate as well, I think one can argue that her methods (LOOK AT MAH BOOBS SNEK) belay negative gender stereotypes (women can only be powerful when taking advantage of their greatest asset - their body) because it isn't her intelligence, cunning or skill that defeats snake, its her breasts. Certain schools of feminism look at this type of 'using ones body to further yourself' as empowering, and while i'm not one to say you can't make that argument, I don't like to.
Anyways, while i think this article has a bunch of problems, it definitely changed my mind about some things. I've gotten on the topic of sexism in MGS before and I used to always defend it with something like "Well Snake and the games are heavily influenced by action movies of the 80s and 90s where - because of a period of 'remasculinization' (thanks film school!) of the male protagonist in film following more 'soft' male leads of the 60s and 70s - all of these sexist tendencies were normative. View it like a cheesy 80s B-movie and don't get so offended"
MGSV: TPP is the most 80s action movie-esque game yet, so I almost expect nothing to change (as much as i WANT to be ashamed of my words and deeds, i'm really doubting i will), but the fact is that it's not the 80s anymore, it's 2015. And, IMHO, if videogames are going to grow as an entertainment medium and art form - Kojima being one of the early people to really push it there - game makers ought to not only get with the times on social issues, but actively seek to subvert patriarchal tropes with 'better' representation of women.
edit: Also just saw your post from June about the literary references and it made me think: Should we do a MGS Gaf book club?
Jimmyfenix
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Meh, I just want to have fun playing a game and enjoy a wild but crazy story ride. Not everything needs to be for some greater social good.
You just reminded me.
What do you guys think is going on with Paz in the E3 2015 trailer?
It can't be a flash back because Big Boss and Ocelot are their with her.
Android maybe? Or she just didn't die, the bomb wasn't in her after all and the explosion actually came from somebody blowing the chopper up.
Or
GZ was just a VR training simulation for Grey Fox? lol.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Oh god, I bet she is an cyborg that has parts of the Mammal pod installed into her skull.
Nothing wrong with that. I hope no one here thinks I'm a feminazi or anything - i probably won't ever bring up the subject again. It's just my opinion that a lot of these tropes damage the collective consciousness and we'll only progress as a culture when they are addressed and subverted.
Love Deterrence
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paz
becomes
naomi hunter
then dies in ground zeroes recreated mission "PSEUDO HISTORICAL MISSIONS"
then is back alived again
this time as..
THE BOSS
then Big Boss wakes up at the hospital, walks outside, sees Old Snake at the graveyard ready to pull the trigger and we see the ending of MGS4 again from Big Boss' perspective
the end
Marty-esque
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This.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
I use the regular PS headset and they work really really nice.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-go...lack/3353002.p?id=1219091055230&skuId=3353002
Quite comfortable too, and you get an app on the ps4 that you can tweak around specific to a game and save those settings. Pretty handy.
SJRB
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Was thinking of picking one of these up; how long does the battery last?
I thought about ordering it myself.
I'm tempted to just give my Sennheiser HD 203's a nice paint job in the DD colors.
You're an incredibly rude person aren't you.
So not only are you rude, you're also bloody presumptuous. I never once said i liked Leo's theories did i. ?
i like Leo as a person, but i don't like his theories, i feel he's too literal, way to quick to jump the gun and overlooks a more simple and real world explanation to some of the things he is saying sometimes.
I don't go to Metal Gear Informer, so i couldn't tell you about them.
Now how about you tell me why i'm the worst metal gear fan. ?
Love Deterrence
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rip bruh smh
Here... this is a good breakdown
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews...n-gold-wireless-stereo-headset-1229917/review
Also.. if you have a long enough cable, you can run them as wired if they are running low. Or just take a break, charge and do something for 20 mins.. to find them ready again. At least that is what i do.
They are also compatible with my pc. So sometimes i'll plug them into my tower just because.
Marty-esque
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I do that to. I have the Golds and the Silver and I plug them in when the Golds need to be charged.
That's good of him to do that.
Welcome new person, hope you have a great time here.
Screaming Meat
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Right back at ya. I love a poster that reads before replying.
Whilst I don't think EVA's deceptiveness in-and-of-itself is an issue of gender, I agree that her body being the main "tool" with which to express it is another issue.
With MGS3, Kojima was writing a big bold love letter to the 60s Bond/Guns of the Navarrone era of action/adventure films, and those kind of gender stereotypes are pretty fundamental. Even so, that's no excuse.
Playing with archetypes is something that Kojima is a dab hand at. He was smart enough to invert the Bond archetype by having him oblivious to sex and sexuality, so you would've thought he'd have done something with the game's Femme Fatale without much of a stretch. As much as I love the game, it's definitely a missed opportunity.
Film School buddies (well, Visual Communication majoring in film, but still)!
Yeah, I agree. That line of thinking only goes so far before I get to the point where I'm asking myself whether that's worth perpetuating the same mistakes his influences have made.
Couldn't agree more. Considering the lofty themes seemingly at play in TPP, it'll be interesting how the gender side of things plays out. I think there's an argument to be made for GZ proving that he can actually write. How it dealt with Paz may even hold up under scrutiny, even if it skirts the edge.
That's a great idea, although I fear I'd never finish the unabridged Moby Dick in 50 days. I've got a kid and a video game addiction to feed! Christ, I still have to finish that article...
Sure. Nowt wrong with that. We're just chatting.
MGS being a major series that has had one eye firmly on political and social issues throughout its history means it comes under the microscope more than most. Kojima's a smart dude who clearly thinks things through in a lot of detail, so some peeps may be perturbed if they think that he hasn't considered other aspects and question why.
To be fair though, good gender representation and fun aren't mutually exclusive.
Screaming Meat
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My theory (forgive the repeat post, bad habit)?
BB sees Paz sitting there in the medical bay and she's just like she was back in PW.
As he watches, things about her start to change: scars start to appear, her school clothes become an orange boiler suit, her hair falls out, her gut cuts open of its own accord. This isn't what he remembers. She turns to him, says "There is... another..." and she explodes in brilliant light.
Kaz's hand reaches for Big Boss' shoulder. "Hey, you okay, Boss? You look kind of pale."
Boss shakes his head. "Yesh, it's nufing." he says, "I'll surfyfe."
Then they kiss.
Kenzodielocke
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Screaming Meat
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I made a post before thinking she might be an early test clone, but lately i've going back and forth between that, and it being a flashback scene from ground zeroes.
I was thinking it was just a hallucination. I mean we've seen a character
Volgin
Screaming Meat
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I'm calling it now, Codetalker knew The Boss during WW2.
Holy shit... What if one of the levels is a flashback to the Normandy Invasion?!
I need to lie down. I'm too excited about this damn game.
Holy shit... What if one of the levels is a flashback to the Normandy Invasion?!
I need to lie down. I'm too excited about this damn game.
Have you changed your name?
Love Deterrence
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Screaming Meat
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Not a Bowie fan then?
Kenzodielocke
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why do you always have to leak new buddies ?
i prefer muse tbh.
Screaming Meat
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Kenzodielocke
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I am kinda hyped for tomorrows new Batman v Superman trailer, hope we see Wonder Woman in action.
IS SUPERMAN BATMAN BUT WITH SURGERY AND BRAINWASHING?
WONDER WOMAN ==== AQUA-MAN???
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