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Metal Gear Community Thread |OT3| The Best is Yet to Come
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Love Deterrence
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Thank you, Vally. God rest his soul.
The term "skirts the edge" is perfect here. Yeah I really like the darker narrative that GZ and TPP are going for. I'm of the belief that the
rape tape
The most damning question one can raise to this tape is, "Why is it there? And could there have been something else to give the same effect?" When you look at it in this light though, it starts to get hard to defend it. SF could have had Chico beat her, or some other form of torture, and the idea that SF is a master torturer would be established. Under this line of questioning, i don't feel like my own answer holds that well, and it's the sort of thing that we'll have to wait until TPP to see how it plays out.
This is something that a lot of us, I think, should realize when we start talking to people who shit on the series for its problems. Kojima tries really hard to construct a grand narrative that argues for and against a lot of political and ethical ideologies. He's a pedagogue when it comes to his beliefs - nothing wrong with that, most auteurs are - but anytime you want someone else to believe what you believe, you're opening yourself up to all forms of criticism.
Look at Bill Cosby. The whole reason the judge released his damning testimony about drugging women was because he has, multiple times, stood on a soapbox and preached about morality. If you consider yourself a moralist, you better be able to back that shit up.
Back to Kojima. If you present yourself as a visionary (and a God) with a lot of opinions you think are right, people are going to attack every opinion you hold whether its being presented explicitly or subliminally.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Once I was on one of those graves, there's a change he might come back, until then. RIP.
Dawg got him banned. Everything is his fault
;P
You shouldn't be enjoying this, you're next.
Love Deterrence
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All of this chaos and here I am like
Jimmyfenix
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All of this chaos and here I am like
i am surprised that even tho mgs 1 plays like its sub 30 fps it is locked 30
#wizards
#datkojima
Love Deterrence
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Oh i insult you? aww how did i?
Because i said Yong haters are the worst Metal Gear fans? that really insulted you? :lol jeez dude.
I did not reply to your post because im fucking done with this topic, do me a favor and stop bringing this in here again, everyone moved on already.
What if, now hear me out here, what if there are people who don't like Yong and there are some that do? Some people like PythonSelkian, some don't. And that's okay! No need to be so salty to each other, eh lads?
Love Deterrence
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It's not OK to not like PythonSelkan, though. Like, if you don't, you're just wrong.
Exactly, that's what im trying to say the whole time. If you don't like YongYea it's totally fine with me but stop talking shit about him everytime someone posts a new video of him, it gets really annoying.
Yes, and don't pretend you did meant it in a insulting manner either.
You also haven't told in what way i'm the worst either.
LMAO. So let me get this straight. You demand i answer your "fucking question" and when i do, you just throw up your arms and i go "i'm fucking done" and walk away, without responding to anything i said. Really. ?
Jimmy hating cuz UC4 30, I ain't sweating it tho
Holy shit, this looks so good.
Uncharted who?
Check back a few pages, i said everything i had to say about this whole thing.
I could say something now but i'll drop it for the sake of this community thread.
Chakra_Khan
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Can you imagine how insane this engine would look if it were current gen only?
So could I but I'll drop it as well
Love Deterrence
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I already checked those posts, and none them directly address any of the points i made, which you specifically asked me to answer, which i did.
Exactly.
Like a good friend of mine once said: If it was current gen only, it would easily be 120 FPS on PS4! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡ °)
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Screaming Meat
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You see, I think that's the starting point for why a lot of people took issue with it. It's an old trope that reduces rape to a signifier of another (in this case, male) character's evil, rather than treating it as an issue itself for the character who has suffered or dealing with the repercussions to her.
Buuuut...
So, I was having this same discussion with a few folk here a month back, where I raised the point I made above and something not too far off what you said above.
Someone posted this great article by Rich Stanton covering everything you and I are talking about. He's hand-wringing in exactly the same way. It totally opened my eyes to why that tape was necessary. Yes, it is a plot device to highlight how much of cold bastard Skullface is but it's also Kojima acting the pedagogue again (as you put it) without (for once) him screaming it from the rooftops. The game and the article made me aware of horrors that I would've been otherwise oblivious to, for good or ill.
Sorry for cutting up your reply! That's a great way to put it.
You making that comparison with Skullface's methods and ideology, raises an interesting and wholly tangential question: In PO and PW, Big Boss kidnaps soldiers and gets them to join him. We've seen what Skullface does to people, but we've never actually seen how Big Boss deals with people "behind closed doors".
100% agreed.
So, how's the rest of the thread goi--
Necrojection
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Have you guys noticed that the Uragan-5 isn't non-lethal like in GZ? So maybe even lethal/non-lethal customization options for each weapon/specific weapons.
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Hahaha
I don't know this "C" on the right, tho... must be another Cipher Cat alt
UrbanDandy
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So, does anyone know who the new V.A. is for Zero?
Graphics Horse
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Isn't this her in the barrel, from Peace Walker ?
The Mammal and Reptile pods looked the same didn't they? It could be an all new pod. Pretty weird to see that back, what could it mean?
And what's the deal with Paz? Did Diamond Dogs find her floating in the ocean and they're going to put a bomb in her and send her back to Cipher or what.
I've seen good some suggestions but I can't remember what they are, it's not fucking David Bowie though.
Yeah but that's nonsense. The framerate on new consoles hugely benefits from this game being based on last gen consoles that will struggle to hit 30fps.
I've only played it at 25fps except the PC demo where I was wondering why everything's moving too fast.
What's going on guys?
I walk back in and there's fighting, my names been changed and I Loakum has been banned?
WTF
Edit:
That was genuinely fucking funny.
I walk back in and there's fighting, my names been changed and I Loakum has been banned?
WTF
Edit:
That was genuinely fucking funny.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
They're totally launching JD into space.
I don't think it's actually Bowie but he does have little Bowie-esque inflections. Must be from Bromley.
No no no, you don't get to pull the that "i don't know what you're on about, stop over reacting" card when you make posts like this.
I was just answering what you were asking.
No, how about you tell me, as you are so instant on any one who dislikes youngyea's videos are "are the worst metal gear fans" or is it just an empty insult you can't back up. ?
Love Deterrence
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omg guys
pls
for the love of Vally's tits
stahp it
pls
for the love of Vally's tits
stahp it
Big_Boss_Snake_
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Hi ...every....
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I hope to never see my name there. Dawg's name should be repeated multiple times :smirk:
Hahaha, it was so good.
Anyway, great news guys. I just pre-ordered this bad boy.
Hahaha.
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