el_colibri
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A GZ map for MGO would be beautiful.
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Metal Gear Community Thread |OT3| The Best is Yet to Come
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Oh yeah that would be amazing.
el_colibri
Member
Chaotic Cuba?
It doesn't matter just an irrational thought ...i know mgsv is still going to be goat
40 days out and I just want a hard drive loaded with as much metal gear as possible ..
Rescuing teamates from the prison camp cages would be awesome..
So would teamkilling by driving vehicles off the cliffs haha
el_colibri
Member
I want it now haha!
I loved MGO2, and was absolutely devastated when it shut down. Looking forward to playing Snake vs everyone else again 😂
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Sorry I'm late! I'm sure you've been waiting with baited breath 
VF I'm going to chop your quote up a little bit. Sorry! I'm not trying to misrepresent your points (at least in that way), it's just a few of the bits cover similar areas.
Why is following "common concepts" in fantasy considered acceptable when it comes to objectification? That not only reeks of an 'Appeal to Tradition' (fallacious reasoning) but shows an acceptance of the limited imagination these creators have where they can't imagine a world without it.
Doesn't it strike you as odd that in a genre where literally anything at all is possible, a creator still decides to objectify women? It doesn't need to exist in fantasy because it's made up. I'd argue that only real world settings should have sexual objectification because that is the only place where it really exists.
These fictions exist in a world as objects (books, Art, games, whatever), so of course they will be held to the standard of the society that views them. All fiction - without exception - is a reflection of its creators and, by extension, the real world. This is because the authors and creators of all these fantastical worlds are embedded in and influenced by the real world and Art is often (not solely) a way of processing that influence. It's practically inescapable. All Art reflects real life: social changes, traditions, ideas, feelings, cultures; some influences are worn overtly, some are more subtle. In either case, they are there.
I haven't said nowt about censorship, have I? Using reasoned debate to change prevailing attitudes so creators consider these issues in future works, rather than simply doing them because "that's the done thing", is not the same as censorship. It's natural.
(That's not my intention here btw. I'm just chatting. No one ever changed their mind about anything because of an internet debate, especially in Outer GAF!)
Yes it is though, that's the problem!
Correct me if I'm misrepresenting your points here, but these seem contradictory and/or a bit weird to me (those quotes were one part of the logic):
No art should be censored or limited in any way... but games grounded in reality shouldn't have sexual objectification in them because it is wrong.
Sexual objectification is wrong... but only in games that are grounded in reality... (ME: where such objectification actually does exist, as opposed to fantasy where it absolutely doesn't need to).
Agreed.
Although I agree in principle, our understanding of what culture is differs.
This is our culture, garbage and all. Culture is the shared values, customs, and social and artistic achievements of its people. We are the people. Art is both a reflection of culture and important building blocks, even the garbage.
Why are we defaulting to censorship? I've not mentioned it! I'm not asking for it!
Agreed. Totally feeling you...
...but let's be clear: I'm not "tearing artists" down and I'm not talking about "how games should be". I haven't said "Kojima can't show blood boobs!" or "No games should have sexy chicks!" All I've done is ask questions about a few posts that were made here where I find the logic confusing and somewhat contradictory, and then explain why I think that.
VF I'm going to chop your quote up a little bit. Sorry! I'm not trying to misrepresent your points (at least in that way
), it's just a few of the bits cover similar areas.Why is following "common concepts" in fantasy considered acceptable when it comes to objectification? That not only reeks of an 'Appeal to Tradition' (fallacious reasoning) but shows an acceptance of the limited imagination these creators have where they can't imagine a world without it.
Doesn't it strike you as odd that in a genre where literally anything at all is possible, a creator still decides to objectify women? It doesn't need to exist in fantasy because it's made up. I'd argue that only real world settings should have sexual objectification because that is the only place where it really exists.
These fictions exist in a world as objects (books, Art, games, whatever), so of course they will be held to the standard of the society that views them. All fiction - without exception - is a reflection of its creators and, by extension, the real world. This is because the authors and creators of all these fantastical worlds are embedded in and influenced by the real world and Art is often (not solely) a way of processing that influence. It's practically inescapable. All Art reflects real life: social changes, traditions, ideas, feelings, cultures; some influences are worn overtly, some are more subtle. In either case, they are there.
I haven't said nowt about censorship, have I? Using reasoned debate to change prevailing attitudes so creators consider these issues in future works, rather than simply doing them because "that's the done thing", is not the same as censorship. It's natural.
(That's not my intention here btw. I'm just chatting. No one ever changed their mind about anything because of an internet debate, especially in Outer GAF!
)Yes it is though, that's the problem!
Correct me if I'm misrepresenting your points here, but these seem contradictory and/or a bit weird to me (those quotes were one part of the logic):
No art should be censored or limited in any way... but games grounded in reality shouldn't have sexual objectification in them because it is wrong.
Sexual objectification is wrong... but only in games that are grounded in reality... (ME: where such objectification actually does exist, as opposed to fantasy where it absolutely doesn't need to).
Agreed.
Although I agree in principle, our understanding of what culture is differs.
This is our culture, garbage and all. Culture is the shared values, customs, and social and artistic achievements of its people. We are the people. Art is both a reflection of culture and important building blocks, even the garbage.
Why are we defaulting to censorship? I've not mentioned it! I'm not asking for it!
Agreed. Totally feeling you...
...but let's be clear: I'm not "tearing artists" down and I'm not talking about "how games should be". I haven't said "Kojima can't show blood boobs!" or "No games should have sexy chicks!" All I've done is ask questions about a few posts that were made here where I find the logic confusing and somewhat contradictory, and then explain why I think that.
Modest Mauser
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I just disagree with the idea that people criticizing Quiet's design are harming "art" or advocating for censorship. Critique and discussion doesn't hurt art, it's a necessary part of it lol
I keep forgetting we're getting a new MGO ... this game looks to have so much content in the single player, and then we're getting a whole new multiplayer mode with it, this game is going to be incredible
I keep forgetting we're getting a new MGO ... this game looks to have so much content in the single player, and then we're getting a whole new multiplayer mode with it, this game is going to be incredible
el_colibri
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Kojima going out with such a bang.
I only got Member status when I made it to 300 posts a few weeks back. I created my account in 2008. =P
SzczwanyGapa
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PES2015 is so much fun. I can compare it to PES 5. Not only gameplay is similar but also looks like a PS2 game on a PS3
Necrojection
Member
Is it instant? Do you get the member status at the 300th post?
I think Jimmy will back me up, but Fifa is the better game. PES 2015 felt like it was running at 75% of the speed it should have been, and had some lag issues when playing - Ultimate Team on Fifa is pretty terrible but if you just want a fun game Fifa is 100% the better choice.
Also, football not soccer
You need to a minimum of 300 posts and have your account been activated for 3 months.
It didn't seem like it was instant. Just once I hit 300 was still Junior, but sometime in the next few hours I got made a regular Member. Maybe it was with post 301. Either way. =P
I think Jimmy will back me up, but Fifa is the better game. PES 2015 felt like it was running at 75% of the speed it should have been, and had some lag issues when playing - Ultimate Team on Fifa is pretty terrible but if you just want a fun game Fifa is 100% the better choice.
Also, football not soccer
Maybe i'll consider getting 16... comes out in a couple of months i guess. PES sounds fun just to play with my brother.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Gunslinging Guantanamo?
Marty-esque
Member
There are people who are actively trying to prevent whatever they deem offensive, from being present in a game.Why are we defaulting to censorship? I've not mentioned it! I'm not asking for it!
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Why do you have both console versions ?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Imma need an example. Fringe crazies don't count!
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Well, but why do you buy it for both platforms ?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
He thirsty
:O
I have Digital Preorder on PS4
CE ps4 coming through amazon
and will be purchasing the PC version.
:3
Darth Chocula
Member
Wrecked the Shagohod with rockets and sent my friend the alert i'm gonna need to crib his Metal Gear Solid 4 within the next day or two. It's a damn shame he can't receive images...
I never noticed if you look at Eva's Food history it suddenly slips into Chinese dishes. Sneaky Kojima.
I never noticed if you look at Eva's Food history it suddenly slips into Chinese dishes. Sneaky Kojima.
Marty-esque
Member
You ask for an example and then mention fringe crazies don't count. So it's up to you who counts? That's just seems like a pathetic way to dismiss that it is non-existent.
Kenzodielocke
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Marty-esque
Member
For people buying it both digitally and physical CE, will you use the codes that come with the CE with the digital version?
I am not sure if there is extra stuff on the CE i don't get with the preorder of day one edition.
IF there is not, i might just offer the codes here for someone from OuterGaf.
Marty-esque
Member
O OK. I thought that the chart showed you get a few things more with the CE.
Are you from the UK, Brau. ?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Because I already own 3 copies of MGS1, 11 copies of MGS2, 6 copies of MGS3, 2 copies of MGS4, so why stop there?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
11?!
Ohh, i was going to say could i have the code, but as you're from the US, nvm.
Really? codes can't be shared? thats kinda lame.
I think he is just advertising and works for Gamestop.
Marty-esque
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Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
yea. NFS. Left is game... right is real life. Its awesome.
Unfortunately, MGS V DLC is region locked.
Which is why i need to talk to a UK Konami person.
Black Pewter
Member
Jesus man. I was a member within a month or so, back in the Cipher Cat era when I used to shitpost in here heavy.
4 for PS2, 1 Xbox, 1 PC, 1 Xbox 360 HD, 1 PS3 HD, 1 Vita physical, 1 Vita digital, 1 Legacy Collection.
I've built myself a silly MGS collection.
I didn't have a reason to post here for a long time.
MrS
Banned
And make sure you let them know you're asking about Hideo Kojima's Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain!
Listening to Calling To The Night has got me hyped! Gonna play some Ground Zeroes and practice the gun aiming for a bit
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Åesop
Unconfirmed Member
I never understood this kind of collectors cult. Like someone in here actually preordered 2 collectors/ special editions so he can keep 1 of them untouched (°_ʖ°) whats the point of that? The used version has much more personal value since it's the one you actually f******* played. Why would you prefer having some weird box in its original plastic packaging on your shelf? I mean you're not doing it to sell it as "new" 30 years later just to make a few bucks so wtf
Gun Animal
Member
Yeah, and I agree with most of your logic. This school of thought will nurture one of the most interesting generations of gamers and developers, ultimately more interested in political context than shiny graphics---even if for now that political context is often of the "single-issue voter" variety, a la representation of women. I can't wait to see how it turns out.
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