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Metal Gear Online 3 |OT| The Missing Link
- Thread starter PrinceOfWhatever
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Looks very substantial if nothing else. Glad we're seeing changes at all to be honest.
Are you guys allowed to talk about how long Konami Los Angeles Studio (or whatever you're called now) will be focusing on MGO?
It did happen in mgo2. It's the level based on the first chapter of the campaign.
North west corner in the "U" area. Next to the car.
...damn I can't believe i could recall that lol.
As for clutter, that's opinion based and although i disagree, i respect that.
Stone Ocean
Member
I'm really excited for these. A bit worried that infiltrators might be getting overnerfed but overall pretty satisfied.
Yeah... Even with the Isando nerf and E-locaters going away, I can't really complain.
I still think Infiltrators needed one more general nerf, and that's for their camo to stop working if they run or sprint and to only work during crouch walk or crawling. That, plus no camo for C&D defenders would make me pretty happy. Still, I'll be giving the game another chance after the patch since I'm happy they actually listened to complaints.
Would be even more terrible for them.
They are already going to be glowing targets for anyone using NVG, and since the time to mark them is now normal, they basically have to run from cover to cover to avoid getting detected.
Spring-Loaded
Member
We might actually see sweep kicks become useful in multi.
SunhiLegend
Member
Just tried online for the first time today. What's with all the stealth camo, everyone I played with had it enabled, kept getting surprise attacks every minute, half the time the opponent was completely invisible as they weren't moving. Could barely do anything.
GreyOcelot
Member
wouldn't increased sprinting and decreased camo time simply encourage more people to sprint around when camo'd? the camo time should be longer but it should be completely disabled when sprinting
fuzzyreactor
Banned
nah, that sounds bad
I don't think it should be longer, but I agree with it being disabled while sprinting. Camo should only be used for very strategic playstyles, not so that you can do an invisible rush towards your enemy. It's just not really fun to fight invisible enemies, and I'm glad they're kind of starting to realize that with the nerfs.
GreyOcelot
Member
why? i just feel like the pacing on this game is all off. it works as an arcadey shooter. but other than C&D, the stealth really doesn't work. it's just run and gun or run and CQC. they should add a counter strike/socom style 1-death per round style game
If the battery is lessened then there's no way I'd say it should disable when sprinting. If I see a guy relatively nearby, he can technically see me on the map, but I should be able to sprint to him and knock him out.
RevolverRoden
Member
So why are infiltrators OP? Last time i asked two people told me they're not and it's just people whining.
I've only played with an infiltrator so far so I don't know how the other 2 classes are like
I've only played with an infiltrator so far so I don't know how the other 2 classes are like
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
For people who rely on CQC slam for knockouts, use the hold and choke out if you want to take them out in one move.
The choke will actually be useful now.
The choke will actually be useful now.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
i'm liking the automatching, weapon, and empty magazine changes. not sure about health changes, enforcer boost is good though. d-walker change... i dunno i like how good they were; would of rather just had them spawn less. but i suppose either way they're tweaked down a bit. overall good changes in so far as it shows they're paying attention and seem to have a good grasp of what's going on.
Stallion Dan
Member
If cloak is removed from defenders in C+D, then there is literally zero point in playing an Infiltrator in that mode since the class will have no unique ability at all.
Scout have NVG and Enforcers have Field Scout. Infiltrators will have nothing to help them and the lowest stamina in the game.
Either Infiltrators need a brand new amazing ability for C+D, or the cloak needs to stay. It's already getting it battery nerfed, on top the easy spotting while cloaked.
It's much slower and you're much more likey to get killed before completing it than a slam. The grabbed player can radio for help too.
Scout have NVG and Enforcers have Field Scout. Infiltrators will have nothing to help them and the lowest stamina in the game.
Either Infiltrators need a brand new amazing ability for C+D, or the cloak needs to stay. It's already getting it battery nerfed, on top the easy spotting while cloaked.
It's much slower and you're much more likey to get killed before completing it than a slam. The grabbed player can radio for help too.
The stun shotgun, their CQC abilities, and fast interrogate are still useful I guess.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
no reason to play as scout either as NVG dont work in that mode
cloak for defending team is just dumb
Stoked on no CQC prompt, pissed I have to start carrying CQC Stealth+1 though.
Definitely gonna need to get some play time in with the new rules to know whether or not I want to stick with infiltrators though. I mainly ran around interrogating . So scout might be a better move after the patch.
Definitely gonna need to get some play time in with the new rules to know whether or not I want to stick with infiltrators though. I mainly ran around interrogating . So scout might be a better move after the patch.
There shouldn't even be different classes in C&D, the game should just let everyone pick from some predefined Defender/Attacker loadouts.
If you're seen as an Infiltrator, then I think you should be dead. You shouldn't be able to sprint up to me while invisible for an easy CQC kill.
In Bounty they were OP because they could take someone down with little effort, get a fulton on, and with fulton*2 or fulton*3 it was nearly impossible to save them. And with the Fulton Cannon carrying over the fulton ability it was a joke. This was evidenced by 60-70% of the composition of matches were infiltrators.
I agree. Except no one should have unique abilities in C&D. It should be standardized for the sake of that mode.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
agreed.
Stallion Dan
Member
Right, and an Infiltrator without stealth camo is gonna sneak up on a cloaked player, especially now without R2 prompt?
And you don't get to use the stun shotgun as defending team.
I think some people really over-emphasize how easy it is to hide in MGO, even with camo. Just simply move and you're quite visible.
I like some of these changes, but not others, as the class never annoyed me much. I was instead bothered by how many SMG shots Enforcers are able to take, and now they're getting more health. Will probably be okay, though... we'll see.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
So Infiltrator is pretty much going to be garbage and CD is going to be a slaughterhouse for defenders. Making the class more CQC based and making so where camo is disabled if shot is fine, but nerfing health and CQC slams is beyond dumb. Tranqs are ridiculously useless and demand so much precision from moving targets. Add in some lag and you are as useful as a vegetable. I'm surprised anyone is defending it when it was already a struggle to play stealth as Infil. The change would have been much better if they kept CQC OHKO slams, health, and camo battery the same but rid the class of launchers and such and buffed the Tranq pistol to where its a 2-3HK at most in close range anywhere on the body excluding the head.
Guess it is Marksman for me until they learn that they made a class pointless to run outside of shits and giggles.
Like, the other two classes are easily dominant with the perks they have on their side and its so stacked against Infil, its nearly pointless to run. It is so difficult listing a reason to even justify the nerfs unless you are a victim of a 1000 CQC slams.
edit:
I can also understand the CQC prompt being taken out. There were times where people should have easily knocked me out or killed me because I didn't see them, but the prompt warned me that they were hiding behind the obstruction I was passing. Though, a better fix would have been to not have the prompt come up if a player is cloaked.
Guess it is Marksman for me until they learn that they made a class pointless to run outside of shits and giggles.
Like, the other two classes are easily dominant with the perks they have on their side and its so stacked against Infil, its nearly pointless to run. It is so difficult listing a reason to even justify the nerfs unless you are a victim of a 1000 CQC slams.
edit:
I can also understand the CQC prompt being taken out. There were times where people should have easily knocked me out or killed me because I didn't see them, but the prompt warned me that they were hiding behind the obstruction I was passing. Though, a better fix would have been to not have the prompt come up if a player is cloaked.
the_batman
Banned
lol, is this your first MGO? the tranq pistol is godly when you learn how to get headshots consistently. and the infiltrator class is for experience and expert players anyway, the game even tells you this.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
I know what the game tells me but it doesn't mean it should be neutered to all hell just to make it for experts. The short range specialties and reliance on CQC and stealth - especially when the other two classes sport shields, recon equipment, ranged weapons, etc. - speak for that alone.
And I don't know what games you get where you can just easily get headshots with the pistol unless everyone you come across is bad or doesn't move much.
Stallion Dan
Member
This isn't MGO1 or 2, so do you have an argument?
Like for example...if they so great, why does -nobody- use them in anything except C+D where forced to?
the_batman
Banned
that's why you develop your skills until you become proficient.
because they're all scrubs
Yaphett Kotto
Member
Yes, because no matter how garbage a class is, if you are good, none of that matters.
Let's not jump down this hole.
Stallion Dan
Member
So no argument on why they so great, they just are beause you say so, and the fact nobody uses them makes every single player a scrub.
I stopped playing my infiltrator class since it was pretty easy to dominate a match, so some changes were needed but this sounds like tipping the scale way in the other direction in a reactionary move. We'll see how it goes I guess, but it'd be funny if I went from not playing my favorite class (love stealthy style of play) because it was too good to not playing my favorite class because it's useless. 
The game can be quite fun though when I host a match and get some friends on my team since I know my team will work together and I know the host won't rage-quit and ruin it for everyone else.
The game can be quite fun though when I host a match and get some friends on my team since I know my team will work together and I know the host won't rage-quit and ruin it for everyone else.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
I remember one time when I tranqed 3 people as an Enforcer with shield one after the other as they came out of a doorway. It was pretty funny.
Tranq is a one shot KO for people with good aim. Takes getting used to but it's usable.
Tranq is a one shot KO for people with good aim. Takes getting used to but it's usable.
Do you mean camo for defenders? Because I don't think they removed that, sadly.
Dwight Schrute
Member
Is the 1hit cqc stun gone only for the "bicth slap in the face" or also for projections on walls or ground too ?
Stallion Dan
Member
It's still in C+D defending.
And it needs to stay, since the class is getting nerfed to hell.