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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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DancingCactus77
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Does anyone know if the Japanese version of 'Making Of' Blu-ray has english voice or english subtitles?
PM me the answer if you can as I haven't played the game yet and am afraid to browse through this thread.
I just want to know if I need to buy the NA Limited Edition to enjoy the Making of Blu-ray in english.
Thanks guys.
PM me the answer if you can as I haven't played the game yet and am afraid to browse through this thread.
I just want to know if I need to buy the NA Limited Edition to enjoy the Making of Blu-ray in english.
Thanks guys.
Overall I would say MGS 4 was the best movie I ever played.
I do have a few questions about the story:
I do have a few questions about the story:
1.What was the deal with Naomi and Vamp at the end of Act 4? She comes off like she is in love with Otacon yet Vamp is calling her his Queen and she is all over him.
2. If Eva knew that Big Boss was still alive (Which she must have since she brought him back to life) then why did she run in to the fire after Solidus' body? At the end Big Boss says Fox Die killed when really she had already suffered a major injury plus then bring burned alive.
3. At the end Big Boss says Eva and Ocelot put their grand scheme into motion which started with the events of MGS1 so was her death part of this plan?
4. Was Ocelot in control of himself or was it Liquids 'Personality' that had taken over from the nano machines and hypnosis? Big Boss refers to him as Liquid in the ending so I am assuming Liquid's personality was in control.
2. If Eva knew that Big Boss was still alive (Which she must have since she brought him back to life) then why did she run in to the fire after Solidus' body? At the end Big Boss says Fox Die killed when really she had already suffered a major injury plus then bring burned alive.
3. At the end Big Boss says Eva and Ocelot put their grand scheme into motion which started with the events of MGS1 so was her death part of this plan?
4. Was Ocelot in control of himself or was it Liquids 'Personality' that had taken over from the nano machines and hypnosis? Big Boss refers to him as Liquid in the ending so I am assuming Liquid's personality was in control.
Ceb said:
I'll try that. Shame, as convoluted as MGS3's controls were, I really miss the complex actions they offered and were pulled in MGS4. Granted shooting has never been better than in MGS4, but many stealth maneuvers seems really scaled back. :/
Kazenone
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AzerPhire said:
Regarding question 2
To my understanding, Solidus was the perfect clone of Big Boss. At the end Big Boss explained that he was imprisoned that was connected to the system by Zero, which could only be unlocked with his own DNA from the outside. The only other way to unlock it, was to use Solidus' DNA.
Act 5 help
Zedsdeadbaby said:
I've tried sneaking down the side but I always lose it in the larger area with the Gekos in it. Is there an ideal route to take? Can I open the door without anyone seeing me? Really enjoying the game but I've been replaying that small section for the last 2 hours and it's starting to grate.
Scott32020
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wow I suck, I'm failing many many times on act 1 levels (solid normal)
I also thought it auto saved at checkpoints so I have to redo a bunch of levels today
I also thought it auto saved at checkpoints so I have to redo a bunch of levels today
Dabookerman
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InvincibleAgent
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Damn guys, you're making me want to get a PS3 just for this game, and yet I have no money *Cries*
Dead Prince
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MoxManiac said:
You can manage on Big Boss Hard too. Unless you're going for the no kill thing [which is still possible] if i can do it :lol
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anyways. ordered my LE COllector guide at bestbuy.com. store pickup option. I see that they still have copies of it in stock still as they emailed me it's available to pick up now. woot.
Broadbandito
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Ydahs said:
Yeah, I hated MGS 1 and 2. MGS 4 is a fucking god send; a great mix of stealth and feasible, enjoyable action. Oh, I might have enjoyed MGS3 with the 3D camera, not sure. Maybe I'll try it one day.
Some negatives; where some would say MGS4 is varied, I'd say its just uneven and irregular in challenge, gameplay style and amount of play between cutscenes. Acts 1 and 2 were so spot on with brilliant action in brilliant locals, but 3 was pretty much just chases, Act 4 was walking between cutscene "nodes" and replaced humans for robots, Act 5 was just a big kerfuffle of strange ideas and gameplay; some good, some bad.
As for the cutscenes. Mega fucking long. There is no one cutscene that is like 90 minutes long, but say in Act 3. You beat the boss and you watch her do her little talky thing, Drebin gives you a call and yabbers forever about her, you go outside, meet up with a character, get into a (cutscene) fight, watch a huge long thing in the river, save your game, install the next chapter, watch the mission briefing and watch the new mission cutscene. I didn't time it, but it was over an hour.
Dabookerman
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Broadbandito said:
Well, tranq them in beast mode, then in human mode, it's somewhere nearby
dermannmitdemcolt
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DancingCactus77 said:
Even more interesting: Has the japanese Version of the game english subtitles?
I think this game is amazing but I'm one of the people who likes its gameplay and plot and not so much its cutscenes. They are a bit poorly directed, in my opinion. The long pauses between lines of dialogue make them so unnatural. I don't see how anyone can say the direction rivals even standard silver screen fare. I'm a bit disappointed that this aspect of the cutscenes was never improved.
Production values are still way up there though. I'm loving the game so far.
Production values are still way up there though. I'm loving the game so far.
dermannmitdemcolt
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Orlics said:
Well, then you are out of your mind.
Chiggs
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Orlics said:
Poorly directed? I'm afraid not. I know opinions are opinions, but I think any reasonable individual can see that a lot of time went into them. The framing is absolutely excellent. And your comment about the pauses in dialogue? Are you saying they're overusing beats, or do you just find the delivery poor? I can maybe understand that.
MiamiWesker
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Orlics said:
I feel this is the closest gaming has coming to having the look and feel of a movie. The direction is incredible. The dialogue is still MGS like, with Snake asking a question after everything he is told. But the actual scenes between characters is the first game where it doesn't seem fake. You have a scene just two people conversing and they act like normal people, no weird hand gestures, it feels human.
For example, act 3
The scene with Snake and Meryl sitting at a table talking. Find me a game that has a simple conversation dramatic scene like that. It was two people sitting down and talking and it felt just like a movie.
Dabookerman
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If anyone can name me one game which has collectively better cutscenes than this game, I will gladly have sex with them.
dark steve
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And why would anyone take you up on that offer?
Kids! Can you spot the problem with this?
Chiggs said:
Kids! Can you spot the problem with this?
Chiggs
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Cdammen said:
I don't think he qualified his statement very well.
dark steve said:
Yes, selective quoting.
If you take it in context, I think you can see what I'm getting at. I just don't know how anyone can look at this game and point to its cutscenes as being the problem (in terms of quality). The production values are superb. In fact, it makes me question if he even knows what directing is.MiamiWesker
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Cdammen said:
Well come with an opinion with examples or something. Apparently most disagree, oh well. I doubt anyone will have any objections to saying this game gives you a stupid amount of health items.
MiamiWesker
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One of my favorite moments of act 4:
:lol
Otacon: Snake... you're the SHIT!
dabookerman said:
It's probably the best I've seen in any video game.
Most of my complaints are from the mission briefings. I feel they drag on pretty long and could have been paced a lot quicker than they are currently.
Most of the action scenes are SUPERBLY directed and better than many action movies nowadays, I must say.
I think the acting however can be inconsistent and the characters' don't have a real human-like quality to them yet (but this is the best I've personally seen in a game).
I'm not saying there are any games that have better-directed cutscenes than MGS4, I'm just saying even the best of the best is nowhere near Hollywood-quality.
Chiggs said:
The framing looks like ordinary shaky-cam to me. Yeah they seem to be overusing beats and the delivery CAN be poor but it isn't always. It varies from voice actor to voice actor. I'm just saying it would be considered mediocre among today's television shows.
I'm no huge MGS fan, I haven't played through the whole series.
Just had a chance to spend a bit of proper time with this, and I love it so far. Still in Act 1. The non-linearity in this one is great (already replayed a couple of parts just to see what'd happen if I explored that route, confronted that instead of avoiding etc.). The attention to little details is really impressive.
I was trying to play through entirely in stealth, but just now had to kill someone. My CQC wasn't working, health was running low, I had to start shooting people. In the head.
Still early days, but I love it so far.
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Just had a chance to spend a bit of proper time with this, and I love it so far. Still in Act 1. The non-linearity in this one is great (already replayed a couple of parts just to see what'd happen if I explored that route, confronted that instead of avoiding etc.). The attention to little details is really impressive.
I was trying to play through entirely in stealth, but just now had to kill someone. My CQC wasn't working, health was running low, I had to start shooting people. In the head.
Still early days, but I love it so far.
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The scene with the PMC soldier relieving himself in the barrel is hilarious. Kojima Productions certainly knows how to render man-ass well :lol
Chiggs
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gofreak said:
Earlier in the thread, one of the mods did a mini-review and stated that the linearity bothered him. I'm still trying to figure out what he meant by that, because after Act 2, I don't think the linearity is nearly as bad as he thinks. Then again, he beat the game, so....
JPBrowncoat
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I don't think so. Butdk_ said:
go to the Mission Briefing screen and load your current save then select the Act 1 briefing. Find the camera and skip out and exit the Mission Briefing screen. Then it lets you save over your current save. It's safe, it only adds any items you get during the briefing.
Pai Pai Master
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dk_ said:
If you wait till act 4, it will come with some extra photos of Sunny and Naomi.
Chiggs said:
Well, I'm not very familiar with the previous games, but I always had the impression they were very linear.
Of course, so far in my experience with this, it's linear in so far as you're given a way point, and you get to it. But I really enjoy so far choosing how I approach that. Stealthing my way there, shooting my way there, attacking militia and pmc, playing around with the mkII to scope out what's coming next or to toy with soldiers, the optional detours you can take to find stuff etc. On a macro level it's linear, but on a micro level, I'm really enjoying the choice in proceeding how I wish, which way I go etc. I play it very patiently, I've been lying on the ground for minutes at a time watching soldiers do their thing, passing by, etc. I love it.
Like I say though, I'm very early on, I've no idea how things unfold or develop. It may also be a matter of expectation..I was expecting it to be VERY linear, said mod may have expected it to be less so.
Lakitu said:
I think I gotta stay out of this thread until I actually get my hands on the game (and system). I already came across info about another location in the game that I didn't want to know... I think it was an MSNBC article. Damn you internet!
I'm being distracted by MGO, I'm still on Act 1...
Anyone making an MGO thread in the online section? Just a few things that've been added to it. You can now play music from the other games. There's still Music A, B and off but now there's stuff like MGS2: Tanker, MGS3: Outdoor theme. There's even music from the Metal Gear games.
Anyone making an MGO thread in the online section? Just a few things that've been added to it. You can now play music from the other games. There's still Music A, B and off but now there's stuff like MGS2: Tanker, MGS3: Outdoor theme. There's even music from the Metal Gear games.
Finished the game. It was fun. I have a few complaints though.
1) There is way too much exposition. Its like the CAD of Video Games. TOO MANY FUCKING WORDS. The game explains everything, even the easy to understand. Then it explains things repeatedly. The game drags. I swear if they just told you what you needed to know and had the important character scenes, cutscene time would have been cut by 2/3.
2) The bosses, which are a huge part of MGS games, are not up to par.
3) I hated MGS2 story. I liked MGS1 story even if it was a little out there and MGS3 had a pretty good story. MGS2 was too worried about TWISTS and everything being connected. It made the story an absolute mess. MGS4 falls into the same problems, but WORSE.
Overall gameplay was very good and the cinematics were great. Overall, its a pretty damn good game. Not as good as MGS3, but still good.
1) There is way too much exposition. Its like the CAD of Video Games. TOO MANY FUCKING WORDS. The game explains everything, even the easy to understand. Then it explains things repeatedly. The game drags. I swear if they just told you what you needed to know and had the important character scenes, cutscene time would have been cut by 2/3.
2) The bosses, which are a huge part of MGS games, are not up to par.
Vamp fight straight up sucks. Not a big fan of Mantis or the end fight either. Rex/Ray was awesome, but its really the only great boss fight in the game.
3) I hated MGS2 story. I liked MGS1 story even if it was a little out there and MGS3 had a pretty good story. MGS2 was too worried about TWISTS and everything being connected. It made the story an absolute mess. MGS4 falls into the same problems, but WORSE.
Everything dealing with Raiden. Seriously, there are so many plot inconsistencies with him. I still cant believe they turned him into MK Raiden. The end after the credits was completely fanservice and completely stupid. Seriously, Kojima if you wanted to do that just let it happen and dont explain it. Because the explanation sucked.
Overall gameplay was very good and the cinematics were great. Overall, its a pretty damn good game. Not as good as MGS3, but still good.
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