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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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One gripe I have, is that the flashlight attachments are damn near useless. I was all pumped for some tight close quarters sneaking with the flashlight on my guns when I got to the tanker but there was really no where to effectively use it.
A Boss Metal Gear would rock, I loved the old weapons and retro-high tech gear big boss had. But then again I love the "near future" super high tech stuff in the "present" day ones too.
A Boss Metal Gear would rock, I loved the old weapons and retro-high tech gear big boss had. But then again I love the "near future" super high tech stuff in the "present" day ones too.
BruceLeeRoy said:
After thinking it over I felt this way last night when playing.. it was more like Ive been reading this "book" for like 10 years or something now and cant believe its coming to an end more or less.
Sounds corny but playing through this, with the flash backs and stuff actually brought back memories of me playing MGS1 and the others, the things I was doing and the people I and places I was getting involved with at that time in my life. Its like damn this series has been with me a long ass time.
For example, I remember with MGS 1, I was in high school at the time and my mom was just barley making ends meet and she did everything she could to buy that game for me. It was the one game I wanted that year and I know she didnt have the money for it but she showed up with it a couple days later. I played the shit out of that game, played through it so many damn times..
With MGS2, I didnt play it when it came out, I had a falling out with gaming at the time and just had other things going on in my life. I heard a lot of negative press about the game and just passed on it. About 2 yrs after the release a good friend of mine at the time told me I really needed to check it out and forget what people said about the game. I sat down with it and after I was done with it I was kicking myself for listening to idiots who hated the game. Playing as Raiden was one of the best gaming experiences I had. Didnt play through it as much as MGS1 but still had a lot of fun with it.
With MGS3 I started playing it but then stopped. A few months later, thanksgiving rolled around and I dont think I was ont he best terms with my family so I decided to spend the whole holiday beating it. I had a lot of fun with it but didnt play through it as much as MGS1 and 2.
The NES versions I barely remember becuase I was so young.
Ahhh... so many memories.. and now this.. MGS4 wrapping up not only the series but now that I think about and era of my life where I now dont have as much time to dedicate to games and have to focus on more pressing parts of my life. I feel like I am old snake now..but im only 25. :lol
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Agreed with the flashlights, there were barely any dark portions in the game at all, whats the point?
LALILULELO
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In the beginning when the game starts and snake starts about talking how everything has changed, the war, control of it on different levels, and the reason why people fight. There is no idealogy or countries behind that, just the war economy.
this last topic, the reason, why made me think that unlike the previous Foxhound, Dead Cell and Cobra unit these woman didnt really had a reason to fight and the BB unit werent even fighters or soldiers to begin with. They were victims.
like everything else they were made like soldier units and controlled (nano machines etc).
I thought for the theme that MGS4 is, they were fitting as completely "character-less" killing drones. I didnt expect them to be talky-talky like the other ones cause in their shell they are just that, mindless killing machines without any personality. Vicitms of war put in a shell to serve the war.
Untill ofcourse you get them out of their shell and they reveal their "real" uncontrolled state, a psychological wreck that can only walk towards you and try to hug you in need of love? Again also in this state i dont see them being able to have a conversation with Snake and they shouldnt, that would weaken them as they now are portrayed as emotional wrecks any talking or normal conversation would break that illusion.
Snake's response in why he should care about them, like previous poster is fitting, as Snake, like us didnt see them as living people anymore either.
Just emotional wrecks controlled by others...character less
So to get some BG info about them it had to come through a different person, enter Drebin.
my conclusion, this is done deliberatelly (ofcourse) in order to stick to the theme and to make it feel different like before MGS'ses.
..war has changed..its not what Snake and you the player are used to(or expecting). These girls are supposed to be character devoid killing drones.
this last topic, the reason, why made me think that unlike the previous Foxhound, Dead Cell and Cobra unit these woman didnt really had a reason to fight and the BB unit werent even fighters or soldiers to begin with. They were victims.
like everything else they were made like soldier units and controlled (nano machines etc).
I thought for the theme that MGS4 is, they were fitting as completely "character-less" killing drones. I didnt expect them to be talky-talky like the other ones cause in their shell they are just that, mindless killing machines without any personality. Vicitms of war put in a shell to serve the war.
Untill ofcourse you get them out of their shell and they reveal their "real" uncontrolled state, a psychological wreck that can only walk towards you and try to hug you in need of love? Again also in this state i dont see them being able to have a conversation with Snake and they shouldnt, that would weaken them as they now are portrayed as emotional wrecks any talking or normal conversation would break that illusion.
Snake's response in why he should care about them, like previous poster is fitting, as Snake, like us didnt see them as living people anymore either.
Just emotional wrecks controlled by others...character less
So to get some BG info about them it had to come through a different person, enter Drebin.
my conclusion, this is done deliberatelly (ofcourse) in order to stick to the theme and to make it feel different like before MGS'ses.
..war has changed..its not what Snake and you the player are used to(or expecting). These girls are supposed to be character devoid killing drones.
Giant Robot
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Raging Spaniard said:
underneath the truck in front of the door before you enter the hangar on Shadow Moses
chespace said:
isn't that what otacon is for? from the moment of his pants-pissing, anime-referencing entrance, i think he's been there to inject that incongruous messy human element into the prevailing badassness. though as his japanese voice actor observes in the making-of bd, he's gotten sort of good-looking over the years.
i think the sneaking gameplay in acts 4 and 5 is quite as good as anything in the first two acts...but i certainly wish there was more of it. i don't have many problems with the overall volume of gameplay, or the balance of gameplay to cutscenes, but i think it might have been distributed better.
that all of the battlefield stuff happens in the first two acts is going to strike a lot of people as a letdown...particularly if they're not interested in the cinematics. and i think it's the act structure that makes act 5 seem problematic -- it makes a fine continuation of act 4's actiony climax, but it seems lacking if you expect it to weigh as much as the other acts.
jasonbay said:
I actually thought to myself: DAMN I hope some people die soon!
Everyone was coming back to life and happy happy ending. Sure BB and Zero die, but who really gave a crap about Zero? Was sad to see BB go, but he was supposed to be dead all ready. Raiden dies like 3x and is fine at the end. I guess your "mom" dies, but I never really felt that much connection to her. Shit in my MGS world meryl is already dead because I could never withstand Ocelots torture in the 1st one :lol to me there was no BIG death where you where like OMFG I am so pissed at that guy who just killed my GF/cyborg ninja friend/dog
Also:
Is it weird that I missed getting caught and figuring out how to break out of prison in this one? I always liked those parts of the previous games.
Choke on the Magic
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Seiken said:
Seriously? So awesome.
Mr. Wonderful
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Anyone?Mr. Wonderful said:
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Giant Robot said:
DAMN, originally on the flashback I went IN the truck, cause it used to be behind the box, but they didnt have it there and that discouraged me, then in the real game since the truck didnt have an opening, I was just like "fuck it"
DrBo42 said:
They work, but the only real dark parts of the game are in act2 in the wide open field. I actually went automatically to the customize screen when I got to outer haven and put flashlights on all my guns but I never got a chance to really use them. Works good online though with the shotgun in the dark hallways
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
drohne said:
The problem with acts 4 and 5 in terms of stealth gameplay, is that once you have the RAILGUN, why should you use stealth at all? Too tempting to just kill off everything, even if the setup for going unnoticed is much more challenging. I did think that the first part of Outer Haven was very well thought out, there's a whole lot of different ways to get trough the thing
Lostconfused
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bdizzle said:
The tear worthy part is that the psyche gauge filled up as well. Poor Old Snake, i really do feel sorry for him. I dont remember any main character that was abused as much.
yeah, that outer haven deck with the gekkos and the frogs on caution is one of my favorite areas in the game...but it's just one area. i generally deplore filler in games, and i'm glad that mgs4 is so lean, but man, i'd be perfectly happy if they copied that area 3 or 4 times with different enemy placements and so on.
You guys do know that Naked Snake spent something like 10 years with the boss before MGS3 took place right? There's a whole bunch of untapped time line there. Just like with Raiden's child hood.
However, I don't believe they should make a game based on this..I really don't want them to screw with the history of big boss and the boss. To be honest, I would rather a new cast of characters come in and start a new story with references to the "old" story as appropriate.
However, I don't believe they should make a game based on this..I really don't want them to screw with the history of big boss and the boss. To be honest, I would rather a new cast of characters come in and start a new story with references to the "old" story as appropriate.
MoonsaultSlayer
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Wait.... I may have missed something. How exactly did Solidus fit in the whole story?
Is it mentioned in the game... or in the past? I don't remember.
If big momma gave birth to 2 twins.... what about solidus?
Giant Robot
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MoonsaultSlayer said:
Solidus was a genetic twin of Big Boss i beleive
Acid08 said:
its just an assumption, but I think most people came to the conclusion that they surgically put a bunch of body parts back together (perhaps his originally body), based on how it looks like he was stitched together like Frankenstein or something.
SnakeXs said:
regardless of the dialysis machine marks, he was mostly machine. As to whether his new body is flesh and blood, or if its just an aesthetic change to look human, who knows
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Acid08 said:
Its Metal Gear man, with all the crazy science that happens in those games,
stitching a dude up should be not much of a problem
Ok maybe this isnt obvious to me since I havent had the chance to play MGS1 but
Was there something that went on in MGS1 besides
?
Also I still dont know where its explained in game why Raiden is now a Cyborg Ninja.
Whats with the whole Mei Ling ass thing? I mean yeah its nice and all, but the whole Act 5 briefing and Act 5 opening was centered with ass shots or her ending up in positions that showed off her body.
Snake hitting on her early on
Also I still dont know where its explained in game why Raiden is now a Cyborg Ninja.
Lostconfused
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Teknoman said:
Nope she is just the designated fanservice/moe character. Meryl looks/acts too manly for that.
Giant Robot
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Teknoman said:
in MGS1 there are gratuitous ass shots of Meryl when she steals a costume to break out of her prison cell. Snake notices that its a woman by noticing the way her ass moves. Mei Ling's ass thing was just fanservice. Also, the costume that Meryl steals in MGS1 was stolen from Johnny Akiba. You wouldn't know that during the flashbacks when Johnny Akiba confesses his love for Meryl if you havent played MGS1.
Steiner_Zi
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Play MGS2.MoonsaultSlayer said:
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