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[SRG01]

Any tips on how to get past the first part of act 5? i keep getting spotted and after that and there seems like theres no way to progess after that... what am i missing?

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Break from cover, go up the stairs and the ladder. Climb across and drop down while tapping triangle to catch yourself on the middle platform. Crouch and throw a magazine in front of you. You should be able to get the patrol beneath you to come forward. Tranq them, drop down and camo yourself onto the ground. Throw another magazine to the left and tranq that patrol as well. Move forward, and repeat until you hit the boxes on the left. Lean against the circular pillar (wait for the Gekko to move first) and slide past. You should hear two clicks in the distance as two Frogs landed to the distance. Lie down and tranq them. Move forward and you'll see another Gekko drop down in front of the door. Wait until the artillery barrage takes care of it. Move forward and look right until the far Gekko can't see you. Rush to the door and tap triangle.

 

[EclipseGST]

I didn't play stealthy in acts 4 or 5.

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Blasted the hell out of the unmanned sentries, blasted the hell out of the PMCs, blasted the hell out of the gekkos. I think everyone needs to try beating the "get to the airlock door" sequence without sneaking.

but I thought this was a stealth game.......?

 

[Zerachiel]

MGS is known for cinematics, one could say moreso than gameplay, what possessed you to buy the game if you don't like them? The complaints are valid, there isn't enough gameplay, but I can't believe people would pay upwards of 60 dollars to get a game that doesn't appeal to them.

I don't think the cutscene's length was themselves a problem. It was just very poorly paced. Too often in the middle of an hour + long gameplay session, I was thinking, "man, a cutscene would be pretty cool right now," but then I'd long top get back to sneaking and shooting when a cutscene went on for like 40 minutes. The other MGS games did a much better job balancing the two IMO.

 

[besada]

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Break from cover, go up the stairs and the ladder. Climb across and drop down while tapping triangle to catch yourself on the middle platform. Crouch and throw a magazine in front of you. You should be able to get the patrol beneath you to come forward. Tranq them, drop down and camo yourself onto the ground. Throw another magazine to the left and tranq that patrol as well. Move forward, and repeat until you hit the boxes on the left. Lean against the circular pillar (wait for the Gekko to move first) and slide past. You should hear two clicks in the distance as two Frogs landed to the distance. Lie down and tranq them. Move forward and you'll see another Gekko drop down in front of the door. Wait until the artillery barrage takes care of it. Move forward and look right until the far Gekko can't see you. Rush to the door and tap triangle.

I messed this up, set off an alert ran like crazy the entire length of the level, killed dozens of people and then managed to hide about ten feet from the door. Once everyone calmed back down, I snuck over and walked through. Not the most graceful method, but...

 

[AzerPhire]

I meant its 7/10 for me. I can see how people give this a higher rating though.

Dude don't even bother, these guys won't accept anything less than Best Game Ever!!1! especially tha_con who will fight against every negative critism you have even if its legit.

 

[Speevy]

but I thought this was a stealth game.......?

It's an action game which focus on stealth elements. There are opportunities for smart, evasive action throughout the game.

 

[NeoUltima]

So I have a question regarding Liquid Ocelot...*ENDGAME SPOILER*

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Was Ocelot simply pretending that Liquid took him over, or did he actually allow Liquid to take him over? I'm pretty sure it is the former of the two, but I just wanna be sure.

 

[Teknoman]

Whats with the red circles that keep popping up on Gekko legs and head? I thought that indicated weakpoints?

So I have a question regarding Liquid Ocelot...*ENDGAME SPOILER*

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Was Ocelot simply pretending that Liquid took him over, or did he actually allow Liquid to take him over? I'm pretty sure it is the former of the two, but I just wanna be sure.

Check the database if you've beaten the game, either that or just watch the entire ending sequence past the first set of credits.

 

[Speevy]

Whats with the red circles that keep popping up on Gekko legs and head? I thought that indicated weakpoints?

Leg shots will take them down, head shots will kill them.

 

[Teknoman]

Leg shots will take them down, head shots will kill them.

Oh.

 

[MiamiWesker]

So I have a question regarding Liquid Ocelot...*ENDGAME SPOILER*

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Was Ocelot simply pretending that Liquid took him over, or did he actually allow Liquid to take him over? I'm pretty sure it is the former of the two, but I just wanna be sure.

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There is no clear answer. Ocelot added the personality of Liquid onto himself, so in a way it was Ocelot but behaving like Liquid. This caused he struggle between wanting Snake dead and wanting him alive. His ultimate goal was to get Snake to install the virus without the Patriots suspecting it would destroy the whole system, basically to use their own weapon, Snake, against them.

 

[Kuroyume]

Wasn't there supposed to be new music released yesterday with the database? All that I see that's new is the blue octo camouflage pattern.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

About Liquid Ocelot (SPOILERS):

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He was practically conditioned to "become" Liquid Snake, wasn't he? Both psychologically and through nanomachine control. He essentially did become Liquid Snake, personality and all, just not actually and physically.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Stupid school computer, doublepost.

 

[NeoUltima]

Whats with the red circles that keep popping up on Gekko legs and head? I thought that indicated weakpoints?



Check the database if you've beaten the game, either that or just watch the entire ending sequence past the first set of credits.

The database, at least with the terms I looked up, still didn't provide a definitive answer. Although *more endgame spoilers*

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Big Boss did say "Ocelot used nanomachines and psychotherapy to transplant Liquid's personality into his own mind. He used hypnotic suggestion to turn himself in a mental doppleganger of Liquid." Now does that mean that Ocelot had no control over himself, and that Liquid's personality took over? Or was Ocelot still in complete control?

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There is no clear answer. Ocelot added the personality of Liquid onto himself, so in a way it was Ocelot but behaving like Liquid. This caused he struggle between wanting Snake dead and wanting him alive. His ultimate goal was to get Snake to install the virus without the Patriots suspecting it would destroy the whole system, basically to use their own weapon, Snake, against them.

Ahh..so

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it was like a mix of both?

 

[tha_con]

Here's a video. No kill, no alarm

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_6660_en.html (the one named

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Outer Heaven

)

I'll have to find a way to vidcap my run through of the beginning of Act 5...it's so easy, I really don't understand why anyone at all has any trouble with it.

 

[1stStrike]

This does not exist, nor would I ever expect it to exist.

It will. There's compilations on youtube (not high def though, mind you) of every other metal gear game ever released. You can sit there and watch someone play through it, see all the story scenes, easter eggs, etc. They're somewhat interesting and definitely helpful if you can't get the game or don't have the game.

You dont even need to bother with them. Throw one chaff grenade and you can get through all the rooms with them with no resistance.

That takes all the fun out of it though

 

[Speevy]

I'll have to find a way to vidcap my run through of the beginning of Act 5...it's so easy, I really don't understand why anyone at all has any trouble with it.

Again,

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killed 6 Gekkos, trying to escape through a door before more show up.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

The database, at least with the terms I looked up, still didn't provide a definitive answer. Although *more endgame spoilers*

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Big Boss did say "Ocelot used nanomachines and psychotherapy to transplant Liquid's personality into his own mind. He used hypnotic suggestion to turn himself in a mental doppleganger of Liquid." Now does that mean that Ocelot had no control over himself, and that Liquid's personality took over? Or was Ocelot still in complete control?

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I think he essentially lost his own personality in order to become Liquid, that was Ocelot's sacrifice. He only regains control in his moment of death.

 

[MiamiWesker]

The database, at least with the terms I looked up, still didn't provide a definitive answer. Although *more endgame spoilers*

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Big Boss did say "Ocelot used nanomachines and psychotherapy to transplant Liquid's personality into his own mind. He used hypnotic suggestion to turn himself in a mental doppleganger of Liquid." Now does that mean that Ocelot had no control over himself, and that Liquid's personality took over? Or was Ocelot still in complete control?

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I assume he had control in a sense. Ocelot was basically doing what he wanted to do, he just did it in a very evil murderous way which would be the way Liquid would do it. It was basically a mix of the two, its not like Liquid was in his body taking control, there was no Liquid, it was just a personality.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Oh shit how are you supposed to get through that

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bike sequence

without a kill or using a ration? It's insane!

 

[Brandon F]

Q about Gekkos:

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Will you ever be forced to fight them? I thought it sucked that Act 1 ended on such a non-interactive moment. I had somewhat guessed that act would end with a boss encounter or a Gekko fight given how they introduce them in the opening...but Nope! Act 2 throws them at you near the end, but Otacon just yells RUN PAST THEM and won't shut up even if you do engage! The whole encounter lasted 10 seconds as the cutscene trigger was just down the street. It's been a stupid dissapointment so far, cool enemies you just run past. :/

 

[Speevy]

Q about Gekkos:

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Will you ever be forced to fight them? I thought it sucked that Act 1 ended on such a non-interactive moment. Act 2 throws them at you near the end, but Otacon just yells RUN PAST THEM and won't shut up even if you do engage! The whole encounter lasted 10 seconds as the cutscene trigger was just down the street. It's been a stupid dissapointment so far, cool enemies you just run past. :/

You won't be disappointed. Trust me.

 

[tha_con]

but I thought this was a stealth game.......?

Really?

I could have sworn MGS games almost always game with the Tag line: Tactical Espionage Action



Crazy mixed up world I live in I guess.

 

[MiamiWesker]

Q about Gekkos:

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Will you ever be forced to fight them? I thought it sucked that Act 1 ended on such a non-interactive moment. Act 2 throws them at you near the end, but Otacon just yells RUN PAST THEM and won't shut up even if you do engage! The whole encounter lasted 10 seconds as the cutscene trigger was just down the street. It's been a stupid dissapointment so far, cool enemies you just run past. :/

Keep playing.

 

[Brandon F]

Ok glad to hear. I was just worried the Gekko's would end up being the Brumack of MGS4!

 

[Speevy]

Am I the only one who wishes they would have let you

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control Raiden and swordfight with Vamp

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

Been avoiding this thread like the plague and wont attempt to read through most of it for fear of possible spoilers, but man Kojima has done it again.

 

[Brandon F]

Am I the only one who wishes they would have let you

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control Raiden and swordfight with Vamp

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Totally. It doesn't help that the entire fight was pretty much spoiled months before in a trailer as well. Seeing Raiden's introduction and acrobatics only made me wish for a brief gameplay switch

 

[rollingstart]

Oh shit how are you supposed to get through that

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bike sequence

without a kill or using a ration? It's insane!

The flying things and Gekko are unmanned. For the frogs, a tranq.

 

[1stStrike]

Oh shit how are you supposed to get through that

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bike sequence

without a kill or using a ration? It's insane!

Took about 2 1/2 hours and 30 or so tries..I lost count.

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I was only using the tranq pistol and the double barrel shotty with the air rounds. Obviously, going for a no kill game. It would've been a lot easier if I was actually using weapons that weren't single shots.

Basically, in the first two sections, use the tranq pistol and stun grenades as appropriate. Then, in the last section, swap to auto-aim as you get to the guys with turrets and then go back to regular aiming. Also, I would shoot someone with the tranq pistol then swap to the shotgun and get a shot off with that if I was lacking on time to reload.

Lastly, the stun grenades are your friend in the last section of the motorcycle chase. Without them, I doubt you'll ever make it through.

It's really, really tough and frustrating on extreme, but you feel like a million bucks when you finally get through it.

 

[Teknoman]

Was there a place in game to actually swim? I havent seen the O2 meter once in the game.

Also I dont think i've gotten 1 combat high. How does it look in game when you achieve that status?

 

[rollingstart]

Was there a place in game to actually swim? I havent seen the O2 meter once in the game.

Also I dont think i've gotten 1 combat high. How does it look in game when you achieve that status?

I don't think there is any place to swim in the game at all.

And a combat high is the same as normal, only difference is that you have better aim and you are more resistant to damage.

 

[Steroyd]

The database, at least with the terms I looked up, still didn't provide a definitive answer. Although *more endgame spoilers*

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Big Boss did say "Ocelot used nanomachines and psychotherapy to transplant Liquid's personality into his own mind. He used hypnotic suggestion to turn himself in a mental doppleganger of Liquid." Now does that mean that Ocelot had no control over himself, and that Liquid's personality took over? Or was Ocelot still in complete control?

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Ocelot had no control over himself, and like Naomi, Vamp and Snake it wasn't until he started injecting himself alot at the end was he starting to turn back into Ocelot supressing the nanomachines, it would make the most sense given that his name changes to "Ocelot" when you're fighting in the MGS3 theme tune, and how he did his "pose" right before he died.

 

[Farnack]

Was there a place in game to actually swim? I havent seen the O2 meter once in the game.

Also I dont think i've gotten 1 combat high. How does it look in game when you achieve that status?

Shoot 100 times in alert status.

 

[haunts]

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It doesn't help that the entire fight was pretty much spoiled months before in a trailer as well.

Cant be said enough. Made me wish I hadent seen ANY of the trailers..

 

[gray_fox224]

After finishing my first play-through, I feel like playing

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Snake Eater again

 

[belvedere]

Semi-OT but are there any Gamestop employees here that might know the size of their MGS4 posters?

I was given a Raiden MGS4 poster and was going to frame it but it's dimensions don't exactly seem normal. It's pretty big.

Obviously I'd measure it but I'm at work and was hoping to pick up a frame tonight.

 

[tha_con]

Was there a place in game to actually swim? I havent seen the O2 meter once in the game.

Also I dont think i've gotten 1 combat high. How does it look in game when you achieve that status?

You can "swim" in

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Act 2. There are some water ways and the river where you can swim. You'll also get an O2 meter during some of the boss fights because they'll try to choke you, or if the Frogs use CQC on you, they'll wrap a cord around your neck and flip you around their back to choke the air out of you. Also happens on the last fight against Ocelot, you'll get choked out during some sequences I believe if he catches you with CQC.

 

[NeoUltima]

Reading the strat. guide...it seems to say that (more Liquid Ocelot spoilers)

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Ocelot was still in control deep down. Basically, the mind of Ocelot laid out the goals(luring Snake, etc) while the personality of Liquid carried out those goals with his unorthodox means. Where I got confused is that the guide says that Ocelot had no plans of actually destroying JD with the nuke. So if Snake failed to deliver the virus, I guess we would have to assume that no nuke would be shot, or it would intentionally miss JD.

I really need to stop overthinking these things...ugh

 

[Steroyd]

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Totally. It doesn't help that the entire fight was pretty much spoiled months before in a trailer as well.

MGS4 media blackout FTUW. \O/

 

[dark10x]

Was there a place in game to actually swim? I havent seen the O2 meter once in the game.

Also I dont think i've gotten 1 combat high. How does it look in game when you achieve that status?

I don't think there is a place to swim, but really, why would you even want to? The swimming was pretty terrible in the other games. You can wade through water in MGS4, but not actually dive.

 

[Brandon F]

After finishing my first play-through, I feel like playing

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Snake Eater again

I took a break after Act 1 to play the entirety of MGS2 again(Hard mode dogtag run no less!). Definately plan to revisit MGS3 once I clear 4. It will be my first attempt at MGS3 extreme difficulty too!

 

[Speevy]

I wish Konami/Sony would bring the original MGS to the US PSN.

 

[Mrbob]

Is the combat high where you hear the odd voices in the background and snake pukes? I had that happen to me a couple times on the first two acts, trying to figure out what it was.

You can do some sort of crawl underwater in the second act. I had it happen to me but I was stuck for awhile. Finally got back up near the edge of one of the ponds. It was annoying I thought I was stuck.

 

[Brandon F]

I wish Konami/Sony would bring the original MGS to the PSN.

Why? MGS Essential Collection is everywhere. Oh wait...40gb PS3 right?

 

[MiamiWesker]

I wish Konami/Sony would bring the original MGS to the US PSN.

Same here, I am almost about to buy MGS1 on ebay. Cant believe I lost my original copy.

Why? MGS Essential Collection is everywhere.

Cause some of us dont want to pay for games we already own.

 

[roxya]

After finishing my first play-through, I feel like playing

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Snake Eater again

I want to but I don't think I can go back, gameplay wise. MGS4 ruined the series for me :lol

 

[NeoUltima]

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Ocelot had no control over himself, and like Naomi, Vamp and Snake it wasn't until he started injecting himself alot at the end was he starting to turn back into Ocelot supressing the nanomachines, it would make the most sense given that his name changes to "Ocelot" when you're fighting in the MGS3 theme tune, and how he did his "pose" right before he died.

If

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Ocelot had no control whatsoever though, how could he have known that everything would have played out how it did?

 

[MiamiWesker]

If

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Ocelot had no control whatsoever though, how could he have known that everything would have played out how it did?

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He had control, just with the personality of Liquid