Zedsdeadbaby
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tha_con said:
Soon GAF...soon. Only a few more icons left, and I'm DESPERATELY trying to find out how to put sounds in this damn thing.
That's excellent work so far, if you can even get the matching fonts that would be amazing.
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That's excellent work so far, if you can even get the matching fonts that would be amazing.
traveler said:
It feels like it's taking FOREVER, lol. If there's one thing I absolutely envy mOdus for, it's his absolute insane ability to generate Themes in what seems like a few hours. It's taking me forever to come up with decent ideas for different icons. Hell, the god damned MK II mock up overlay took me like 30 minutes by itself! lol.
Thanks man
Hopefully GAF won't hang me if I don't include sounds :lolâ Narayan
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The latter is, exclusively, most likely. If you include the former, then you have to question why he even visits that grave in the first place.Doc Evils said:
rollingstart
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tha_con said:
Soon GAF...soon. Only a few more icons left, and I'm DESPERATELY trying to find out how to put sounds in this damn thing.
That looks awesome.
longdi
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jett said:
I was talking about mgs2 fyi. mgs4 was as good as it can get with the necessity to complete mgs2 plot. though mgs4 too much fanservice bothers me even as a mgs fan, and
reviving characters and happy endings
interestingly, i just watched mgs4 se bluray and it mentioned kojima acknowledged mgs2 had too much story bloat and he went for a simpler narrative for mgs3. the fans reacted better and he is happy with it.
he also mentioned mgs3 development was in trouble before he stepped in. i wonder when did he step in. was it before the awaresomeness or after.
â Narayan
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Re-read my post. This is pretty much exactly what I said.dralla said:
MiamiWesker
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tha_con said:
Soon GAF...soon. Only a few more icons left, and I'm DESPERATELY trying to find out how to put sounds in this damn thing.
OMG!
VindicatorZ
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what's up with the monkey? Is he the same monkey from way back with the philosophers? I thought there was gonna be a little story to him.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
WOW, you da man!tha_con said:
Soon GAF...soon. Only a few more icons left, and I'm DESPERATELY trying to find out how to put sounds in this damn thing.
Steiner_Zi
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We have answered this a million times by now.longdi said:
Because he didn't have the virus, Sunny did. For more details, just replay the game and pay more attention.
Juice said:ACK. Just after beating, the game freaking froze. Music still going but nothing else. Can't access system menu either.Crying wolf, headed down beneath the furnace
Wish I'd saved in the last hour or two.
Ouch...that sucks man...at least you'll get some more practice for your BB run?
Choke on the Magic
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Hey I don't know if anyone posted it yet, but here's an interesting article on MGS4 I just read.
http:
//www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/weekinreview/22itzkoff.html?no_interstitial
The article is about the "hidden" messages Kojima delivers in the game about war, politics, etc. and why it's made it so damn popular. Check it out.
http:
//www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/weekinreview/22itzkoff.html?no_interstitial
The article is about the "hidden" messages Kojima delivers in the game about war, politics, etc. and why it's made it so damn popular. Check it out.
Choke on the Magic
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Seiken said:Gotta be registered
Seriously? Ugh let me try a different link.
Here Seiken, it's apparently on yahoo.com too.
www.yahoo.com
it's under featured articles.
Dabookerman
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tha_con said:
Soon GAF...soon. Only a few more icons left, and I'm DESPERATELY trying to find out how to put sounds in this damn thing.
Very nice, nice going.
Choke on the Magic
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alr1ghtstart said:
Oh shit sorry dude I did search and nothing. beaten.....
tha_con said:
Shawn Elliot has been criticizing games like this for a while, and seems to pick on Metal Gear specifically. For more reasons than one, but we don't need to get in to that.
I'd say the language does fit the medium insofar that it provides an interactive storybook experience that you can't find in the medium it's "cheating" off of. It's based off of Kojima's older games, which were basically the same thing- interactive stories. You control the characters' journey while being treated with long breaks of character and plot development. What is wrong with that? People love it. I love it. It works fine. If every game was presented like Half-Life, for example, Half-Life wouldn't be so special. We can have games that borrow from film. Not every game has to be specifically adapted to push a unique "gaming" narrative, especially not Metal Gear. Not at this point. Was he expecting KojiPro to just ignore the series entire legacy and create something completely different? This series had to be wrapped up in a fashion familiar to fans, and hell, I'd say it was even toned down this time. I'm a fan of Shawn, but to be honest, when he talks about this kind of thing, all I hear is, "People shouldn't like this as much as they do because I have a better perspective." or something.
Ploid 3.0
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tha_con said:
I don't get why so many elite people are so against videogames using cutscenes that aren't controllable and rather is directed in the style of a movie. They aren't like Books to Movie. They both share the same display, a fixed 2d screen. You can play games on a Imax screen, and you can play movies on a console's hdtv. If it works for movies why won't it work for games (with good stories to tell, not marines babbling about soaps, and tango).
Anyway FPS games want you to be the character. In MGS you aren't meant to be snake, but rather seeing the story of snake. So these cutscenes work. Even in the mission briefing, you are looking through the camera of MKII when you move about the nomad. Everyone is playing their part even if they aren't in the fixed directed cutscene camera. You can't make them stop talking by bumping into them just like you can't make Alex hurry up and open the door in HL2. It's not much different from a scripted cutscene that you cant change angles on?
Malfunky said:
Shawn's problem is he wants every game to be this high art bullshit, *and* he wants you to be able to move around while NPC's talk to you. He should keep his nose in the HL2 world, and stop preaching about Metal Gear, when he apparently wants nothing more than dozens of pages to read, audio tapes to listen to, and 'free roaming cutscenes' where NPC's babble at you while you dick around in a confined room waiting to advance to the next area'.
I really really hate his opinions. Not him as a person, just his views on gaming. He comes off entirely too "Roger Ebert" for me.
All right...having issues here. I'm trying to get the Frog and Scarab emblems. However, for some reason I can't do any sideways rolls. I somehow amassed 475 forward rolls, but I can't get any sideways ones. I've done both methods that people think of as a "sideways roll" - L1 + X + left/right, and then rolling around on the ground.
Has anyone got these emblems and knows what the hell to do?
Has anyone got these emblems and knows what the hell to do?
Lostconfused
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tha_con said:
Well its one persons opinion on what games should be. Yahtzee seems to have a somewhat similar opinion.
Really this will never work simply because games let you act like a psychopath and a loon without consequence.tha_con said:
tha_con said:
I'm not going to say it's dumb, I'm just going to say that I disagree. Games have the unique luxury in that cutscenes of both types (MGS style and HL style that Shawn seems to love so much) fit quite snugly with it's medium. The medium is very multilingual, I guess you can say, in that many different types of storytelling work well for the type of game you're attempting.
I very much disagree on his general opinion on narrative and storytelling in games as I believe it's limiting to the freedom the medium offers. The Portal way works, the Bioshock way works, the MGS way works (and has for 20 years btw), the HL way works and whatever else in between.
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I love Metal Gear games, but can anyone argue that the game are not preachy? If anyone has a problem with it, I can completely understand. There are a few sequences in the game that drag on with characters saying the same thing in different ways, making it come off preachy. I remember at the beginning of the game with Meryl describing the current state of the world. While it did help give more background to the settings, the length seemed unnecessary as many things she spoke about were brought up before and later.
You shouldn't scoff at someone who doesn't enjoy the long cutscenes, especially since some drag on that leave you wondering what the significance of it was. A good example is the first time you meet Drebin. Late one you find out one thing in that scene was significance. The rest, not so much.
You shouldn't scoff at someone who doesn't enjoy the long cutscenes, especially since some drag on that leave you wondering what the significance of it was. A good example is the first time you meet Drebin. Late one you find out one thing in that scene was significance. The rest, not so much.
Lostconfused
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Well thats not the fault of the game, just its creator. Anime can also get very preachy. I of course could be wrong and am just making up BS about the entertainment produced in japan.ICallItFutile said:
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I guess it depends. I don't find it any more preachy than it ever was 20 years ago to be honest. I guess I just take the series at face value. It's a fantasy military story within it's own universe with it's own problems and issues. I honestly don't take anything the characters talk about as Kojima forcing his ideas down my throat. Just me I suppose. People take from it different things.
ICallItFutile said:
What games aren't preachy, telling stories of horrors that mirror reality? It's something that tons and tons of games suffer from, from Bioshock to Final Fantasy VII.
As for cutscenes, it would be the opposite if Drebin popped up and said "Sup yo, I got some guns holla, buy what you need" and that was it, offering no character development.
Again, the scenes are skippable. Shawn, again, is just trying to force his HL2 views as 'the way the medium should go' into the publics eye, and it's fucking retarded.
Videogames are a medium like no other because you can do them ALL, he seems to think we have to limit the medium to what the fuck HE likes.
Ugh.
Cirekiller
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tha_con said:
I agree with you, I enjoy gameplay as much as anyone else. But there's room in gaming for cutscenes and narrative. You can say the cutscenes and narrative in MGS4 is a joke but that is subjective.
Ourobolus said:
Have you tried just pressing X+left/right while standing up? Snake does a jump/roll to the side and I think that's what registers as a "sideways roll."
EDIT: Never mind, that's the L1 + X + left/right you were referring to. Actually, I have no idea why neither of those are registering for you.
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I probably missed the reasoning behind this, but the thought just popped into my head last night.
If, as far as the Patriots knew, GW was destroyed during the events of MGS2, then why does it exhibit some control over the SOP system, namely, small arms? The SOP system wasn't created until after GW was fragmented, so why give GW any power at all?
I probably missed the reasoning behind this, but the thought just popped into my head last night.
I've always agreed with Shawn's opinion on interactivity in general. But even the way HL2 does it, is just a cut-scene without a new camera angle and some useless interactivity. Of course there is very little of interest to do while some schmo is talking up a storm, so it's basically the same, only you can't skip HL2's "cut-scenes".
I think games should strive for more a more subtle approach, since most games these days have horribly overacted voices, exaggerated movements (for cut-scenes, I understand some games use exaggerated movements to alert the player of incoming attacks and such...) and they hammer plot-points all up in my face. MGS4 is could definitely use some understatements.
A game like Killer7, which admittedly is pretty fucking convoluted story-wise, had very much subtle stuff in it. For instance when your operator would call you to inform you that you had a new mission, he pretended to be a rep. for a political party asking for your vote, but through his voice you could hear that he had said that shit tons of times before and it didn't need any explanation outside the of that, and the fact that it was repeated before each mission. I'm not saying more games should be as fucked up as Killer7 was, but they could do well to learn from some of the aspect of it. Shadow of the Colossus also had a superb foreshadowing going on.
One shouldn't expect everyone to be progressive at once, but I do hope soon more games will take a cue. Especially given the acclaim SotC got, and hopefully team ICO's new game will get.
I think games should strive for more a more subtle approach, since most games these days have horribly overacted voices, exaggerated movements (for cut-scenes, I understand some games use exaggerated movements to alert the player of incoming attacks and such...) and they hammer plot-points all up in my face. MGS4 is could definitely use some understatements.
A game like Killer7, which admittedly is pretty fucking convoluted story-wise, had very much subtle stuff in it. For instance when your operator would call you to inform you that you had a new mission, he pretended to be a rep. for a political party asking for your vote, but through his voice you could hear that he had said that shit tons of times before and it didn't need any explanation outside the of that, and the fact that it was repeated before each mission. I'm not saying more games should be as fucked up as Killer7 was, but they could do well to learn from some of the aspect of it. Shadow of the Colossus also had a superb foreshadowing going on.
One shouldn't expect everyone to be progressive at once, but I do hope soon more games will take a cue. Especially given the acclaim SotC got, and hopefully team ICO's new game will get.
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