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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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To anyone who's downloaded my theme, care to offer me any feedback? Looking to get 'better', so any criticism would be much appreciated 
Also, played some more last night on Boss Extreme, did it in 45 minutes too!
...then saw that I had a kill AGAIN. FUCK ME. I think the explosion from the truck is killing some guards or something, because I haven't shot anyone...
Also, played some more last night on Boss Extreme, did it in 45 minutes too!
...then saw that I had a kill AGAIN. FUCK ME. I think the explosion from the truck is killing some guards or something, because I haven't shot anyone...
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
End of Act 3 + whole of Act 4 is perhaps the most impressive gaming has ever been. The amount of content and creativity poured into this game is seriously mind boggling.
It's funny, but despite being pre-recorded I probably wouldn't put the Act 3 ending cutscene even among 5 most visually impressive scenes in the game. Don't get me wrong, it was a great scene, action packed, great looking, sent the message it was meant to, and Liquid Ocelot was just fantastic in it, but I thought there were plenty of scenes elsewhere that were just plain more kickass looking even if they didn't have that many objects and characters on the screen at the same time.
It's funny, but despite being pre-recorded I probably wouldn't put the Act 3 ending cutscene even among 5 most visually impressive scenes in the game. Don't get me wrong, it was a great scene, action packed, great looking, sent the message it was meant to, and Liquid Ocelot was just fantastic in it, but I thought there were plenty of scenes elsewhere that were just plain more kickass looking even if they didn't have that many objects and characters on the screen at the same time.
I see this thread has gone past hyperbole and taken a blasphemous turn - people are actually calling "Old Snake" a better theme than the "MGS Main Theme" from MGS1, 2, and 3? Sheesh. All 3 versions are better, with the "MGS2 Main Theme" and "MGS3 Main Theme" versions of the theme both especially crapping all over "Old Snake". I will concede that the TAPPY arrangement from MGS1 isnt overly great, but the two HGW arrangements of it from 2 and 3 blow "Old Snake" out of the water.
Gamer @ Heart
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I beat subsistance just now. It was so hard to not kill myself and reload everytime i got seen, like i did in MGS4. Eventually after 6 hours i had to verbally tell myself, "fuck it" have fun. God bless that 3D camera.
Gamer @ Heart
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Solo said:
Old snake is a cool piece, but i agree the other two are better. I prefer 3's more orchastrated style than MGS2's techno vibe, however.
Steiner_Zi
Member
The lack of the MGS theme is indeed frustrating. But the OST includes many new additions, such as the Love Theme, Old Snake, Sorrow,Solo said:
Father And Son
Finished the game over the weekend. You know what's ironic? The gameplay and the engine MSG4 runs on is so superb that a Game of the Year could be made without cut-scenes. As it was the cut-scenes totally dragged this game down. (At least in my opinion: There I said it, tha-con... settle down there boy.)
I honestly cannot comprehend anyone crying over this self-indulgent 'story.' There is so much to point to but I'll just keep it short and focus on the ending.
More than any other game I have ever played this title needed serious editting. There were some amazing concepts and ideas in here but their impact was completely dulled by all of the other poorly executed melodrama thrown in there. It's a shame that so much effort was put into those cutscenes because the vast majority of players are going to skip them henceforth. All that disk space and effort for a product that is too painful to sit through twice.
I dearly hope Kojima takes that gorgeous game engine and uses it to tell a completely unrelated story. Something small and tight and not prone to collapse under its own pretension. He might find it a refreshing change.
I honestly cannot comprehend anyone crying over this self-indulgent 'story.' There is so much to point to but I'll just keep it short and focus on the ending.
- Naomi's double agent work was tedious. Her death was more dramatic pandering. Consider she had discovered a way to stave off cancer! This astonishing invention is brushed aside. Instead as soon as she becomes inconvenient to the story she offs herself. Snake and Raiden simply watch a woman commit suicide by jabbing a needle into her neck three times. Only the first of a serious WTF moment.
- Everyone has a monologue, everyone has a tale to tell before death, it just gets terribly old and stale. There are other ways to impart a story but we saw none of that here.
- The ridiculousness of the implausable Johnny/Meryl romance is only exceeded by the fact that Meryl packed a fucking gun with her wedding dress. That is some awful, juvenile shit.
- Big Boss suddenly shows us with a mostly dead invalid, cuts off his oxygen in what is surely the most pointless death in video game history, all the while our hero Snake doesn't say or do anything. All this of course is perfectly timed for BB's own demise.
- Snake not dying because of yet another throwaway Deus Ex Machina. I think it's telling that so many people die while Snake doesn't. Compensating much? Looks like Kojima didn't have to creative balls to let this retarded story line truly die.
- Everyone has a monologue, everyone has a tale to tell before death, it just gets terribly old and stale. There are other ways to impart a story but we saw none of that here.
- The ridiculousness of the implausable Johnny/Meryl romance is only exceeded by the fact that Meryl packed a fucking gun with her wedding dress. That is some awful, juvenile shit.
- Big Boss suddenly shows us with a mostly dead invalid, cuts off his oxygen in what is surely the most pointless death in video game history, all the while our hero Snake doesn't say or do anything. All this of course is perfectly timed for BB's own demise.
- Snake not dying because of yet another throwaway Deus Ex Machina. I think it's telling that so many people die while Snake doesn't. Compensating much? Looks like Kojima didn't have to creative balls to let this retarded story line truly die.
More than any other game I have ever played this title needed serious editting. There were some amazing concepts and ideas in here but their impact was completely dulled by all of the other poorly executed melodrama thrown in there. It's a shame that so much effort was put into those cutscenes because the vast majority of players are going to skip them henceforth. All that disk space and effort for a product that is too painful to sit through twice.
I dearly hope Kojima takes that gorgeous game engine and uses it to tell a completely unrelated story. Something small and tight and not prone to collapse under its own pretension. He might find it a refreshing change.
Steiner_Zi
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Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k7DrIWcrdI :lolsuikodan said:
I think the song metal gear saga is actually on par with the metal gear theme from other games. Old Snake isn't though. Either way, I really like metal gear saga.
And, as a side note, I really wish I had some fried chicken right now.
@Dyno: Yea...not all of us feel like that. Actually, the majority of us don't. I've watched all the cut scenes almost 3 times now on my various play throughs (skipped on the third as I was doing the big boss emblem run, but watching again on my 4th).
There's always stuff that I miss the first time, so I'm glad I get to go through it again. I think people are just analyzing shit way too much in here. Though, I suppose that is the nature of GAF I guess. People with nothing better to do than over analyze games and critique them all to a fault all day. I have yet to play a perfect game..don't think I ever will.
And, as a side note, I really wish I had some fried chicken right now.
@Dyno: Yea...not all of us feel like that. Actually, the majority of us don't. I've watched all the cut scenes almost 3 times now on my various play throughs (skipped on the third as I was doing the big boss emblem run, but watching again on my 4th).
There's always stuff that I miss the first time, so I'm glad I get to go through it again. I think people are just analyzing shit way too much in here. Though, I suppose that is the nature of GAF I guess. People with nothing better to do than over analyze games and critique them all to a fault all day. I have yet to play a perfect game..don't think I ever will.
Gamer @ Heart
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I want the next game to be another prequel about Big Boss. There is so much they could do there.
Dyno said:
"Pretentious" is a favorite word of pseudo-intellectuals. Metal Gear Solid has always been a pretty bloated series in terms of narrative and the unfolding of the story.. but it isn't pretentious, because it doesn't try to be something that it's not. In fact, the argument that it's "indulgent" points to it unashamedly being what it is.
I'll agree on many of your other points. I do think that MGS could do with better editing and execution on many of its dramatic plot points.. I hope Ryan can pass on that message to the Kojipro staff. I think the distribution of effort going into cutscenes is worth it though.. MGS has to be played like an experience; it's unlikely you're going to watch the cutscenes over and over again but the first time you watch it and play through the game is pretty mind blowing.
A small and tight game from Kojipro would be a big suprise..
Ken Masters
Banned
Do any of the face camos do something besides
the big boss camo?
Dyno said:
!!!!!!!
j/j :lol
Don't worry man, I'm not going to jump on you. I strongly disagree
especially about Snake, given that he IS going to die in like, 3 months
Now, if you were coming in here saying we're all suffering from hyperbole, and that we are all wrong because we obviously don't see the light, then that would be a different story.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
All I care is thatSolo said:
the best is yet to come
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Just got to Act 5.
In a previous thread about what had the best graphics this gen I said I was still more impressed with Uncharted, but I had only gotten to the end of Act 2. This game does so many absolutely astounding shit
from then on I cant even believe the PS3 doesn't just combust. The *Spoiler Act 4*
has some of the most insane amount of stuff going on I have ever seen.
Raiden has become one of the greatest characters ever by this game.
I was getting the most intense chills ever I just couldn't believe how
awesome that was.
In a previous thread about what had the best graphics this gen I said I was still more impressed with Uncharted, but I had only gotten to the end of Act 2. This game does so many absolutely astounding shit
from then on I cant even believe the PS3 doesn't just combust. The *Spoiler Act 4*
Metal Gear Fight between Rex and Ray
Raiden has become one of the greatest characters ever by this game.
When he stops the
Haven from crushing snake
Haven from crushing snake
awesome that was.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
dabookerman said:
What are you talking about, MGS3 already did that.
I agree with the poster on Ocelot
his story was tragic on so many levels
Personally, I think it would be cool if they could remake the original two metal gear games.
Gamer @ Heart
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tha_con said:
The series is about stealth. That is not Ocelots style.
MORE BIG BOSS PLZ.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Otheradam said:
True, especially because there could be a plot twist half way where you play as a younger version of Big Boss.
Ken Masters
Banned
I want to unlock the stealth icon, any tips before I take on this undertaking?
D
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Hcoregamer00 said:
I think it's somewhat necessary now. Clean up the origin stories JUST a tad. I never believed in remakes until I listened to Steven Totilo talk about remakes... and I think that's what's warranted here. Better graphics (naturally) and an enhanced story.
That whole era feels like a large black out spot in terms of continuity.
Dabookerman
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Hcoregamer00 said:
MGS3 made him on par with Solid. MGS4, poof, greatest man ever.
Dabookerman
Member
1stStrike said:
The beginning bit from the Main Theme in the MGS3 soundtrack is the saga track. The last 90 seconds of the track is the "Main Theme".
Or am I completely misunderstanding you ;p
Gamer @ Heart said:
Who said anything about an Ocelot game being a Metal Gear game? You're saying it's impossible for Kojima to do an action game around Revolver Ocelot set in the same universe? :lol
Seriously?
Who said anything about MGS, I said I wanted an Ocelot game or a Big Boss game, never did I mention I want the next MGS to be about either character.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
El_TigroX said:
QFT, if they do a metal gear game, it has to be a remake of the first two games using the MGS4 engine.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Finished the game over the weekend. I'd like to post my thoughts without spoiling anything, so here goes:
I'm not the biggest MGS fan in the world. I liked Metal Gear on NES, and I never played the sequel (either the REAL one or the fake NES version). MGS came out and blew me away. I loved the game, and played through it multiple times. I played MGS2 and some of the luster was lost. The whole Raiden thing, the ridiculousness of the story, the never ending boring conversations with Rose and the other characters via codec. It just didn't have the magic of the first but it was okay. Then I picked up Snake Eater. It just didn't do it for me. I hated the 60's setting, the lack of technology, the whole hunger and healing systems, the jungle. It just wasn't any fun to me. The cutscenes were well produced, but I didn't want to play the game to see them, so when Subsistence came out I got that and watched the "movie" disc of all the cutscenes and then traded it in. Yes, I bought it just to "see" the whole game's cutscenes. And they were great, although the story itself was not as interesting to me. I couldn't get into PO on PSP either, the controls and gameplay just didn't do it for me
So here comes MGS4. I was looking forward to it but after so many disappointments I didn't know how I would feel about the game. Well, I pretty much beat the whole thing in 2 days, playing for hours at a time because I couldn't put the game down. It's that good. To me, it feels like a real return to form for the series. It FELT more like MGS1 to me than any of the other games did. The gameplay is the ultimate refinement of the series, and the new combat mechanics worked very well for the way I always play (which is sneaking and tranquilizing whenever possible, but I'm not afraid to blow guys away when it's necessary. I shoot in MGS games ALOT, pure sneaking bores me.) So much action and fun. Far fewer CODEC conversations which to me is a good thing.
The cutscenes were phenomenal. As a man that prefers Twin Snake's graphics and cutscenes to the original, they were right up my alley. Some of the action scenes were totally over-the-top but I love them for it. This is the new high-water mark for cinematics in games, bar none. The framing, cinematography, music, etc. were all top-notch. Actual in-game graphics are good as well, although they don't stand out as much when compared to other games, I'd still say they are among the best.
Yes, some of the story elements were still over the top, but it all seemed to make sense in a way that "fits" in the MGS universe. I really felt for the characters in this game. It just seems so much better than MGS2 or 3. There was far more drama and far less philosophical rambling going on, which was a big problem in the last two games.
Kojima and his staff deserve all the kudos that they receive. The game is filled with fanservice and nods to the past which I loved. That being said, the game DOES sort of depend on fans knowing what the hell is going on. If this was my first MGS game I think I would have been really confused. But I think they realize most people buying this game are fans, so it's not a problem. Ultimately I give the game two big thumbs-up. It made me a fan again.
I'm not the biggest MGS fan in the world. I liked Metal Gear on NES, and I never played the sequel (either the REAL one or the fake NES version). MGS came out and blew me away. I loved the game, and played through it multiple times. I played MGS2 and some of the luster was lost. The whole Raiden thing, the ridiculousness of the story, the never ending boring conversations with Rose and the other characters via codec. It just didn't have the magic of the first but it was okay. Then I picked up Snake Eater. It just didn't do it for me. I hated the 60's setting, the lack of technology, the whole hunger and healing systems, the jungle. It just wasn't any fun to me. The cutscenes were well produced, but I didn't want to play the game to see them, so when Subsistence came out I got that and watched the "movie" disc of all the cutscenes and then traded it in. Yes, I bought it just to "see" the whole game's cutscenes. And they were great, although the story itself was not as interesting to me. I couldn't get into PO on PSP either, the controls and gameplay just didn't do it for me
So here comes MGS4. I was looking forward to it but after so many disappointments I didn't know how I would feel about the game. Well, I pretty much beat the whole thing in 2 days, playing for hours at a time because I couldn't put the game down. It's that good. To me, it feels like a real return to form for the series. It FELT more like MGS1 to me than any of the other games did. The gameplay is the ultimate refinement of the series, and the new combat mechanics worked very well for the way I always play (which is sneaking and tranquilizing whenever possible, but I'm not afraid to blow guys away when it's necessary. I shoot in MGS games ALOT, pure sneaking bores me.) So much action and fun. Far fewer CODEC conversations which to me is a good thing.
The cutscenes were phenomenal. As a man that prefers Twin Snake's graphics and cutscenes to the original, they were right up my alley. Some of the action scenes were totally over-the-top but I love them for it. This is the new high-water mark for cinematics in games, bar none. The framing, cinematography, music, etc. were all top-notch. Actual in-game graphics are good as well, although they don't stand out as much when compared to other games, I'd still say they are among the best.
Yes, some of the story elements were still over the top, but it all seemed to make sense in a way that "fits" in the MGS universe. I really felt for the characters in this game. It just seems so much better than MGS2 or 3. There was far more drama and far less philosophical rambling going on, which was a big problem in the last two games.
Kojima and his staff deserve all the kudos that they receive. The game is filled with fanservice and nods to the past which I loved. That being said, the game DOES sort of depend on fans knowing what the hell is going on. If this was my first MGS game I think I would have been really confused. But I think they realize most people buying this game are fans, so it's not a problem. Ultimately I give the game two big thumbs-up. It made me a fan again.
Probably old given how big this thread is, but here are some pictures for people that haven't seen the hurricane caused by the old japanese gun. This completely caught me by surprised when it happened. I decided to use the gun since I had not at all touched it since I bought it. Fire my first shot and a true wtf-moment happened.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11679654&postcount=488
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11679654&postcount=488
Gamer @ Heart
Member
tha_con said:
You can't blame me for assuming a game staring one the biggest characters from the MGS saga would not be an MGS game. It was a logical jump.
Do you really think Konami would market an Ocelot game as anything except MG? To powerful a brand to drop it.
Putting that aside, what era would you like a big boss or ocelot game to be set in?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Dr. Zoidberg said:
Great review man thanks for posting. One of my good friends who is going through had pretty much your exact same thoughts. Loved MGS1 and now 4.
patsu said:
The neck is...
http://i29.tinypic.com/2q84oz6.jpg
But rather...
http://i26.tinypic.com/33wumf5.jpg
So all u have to do is simply bring them down by shooting at their legs and then hit the neck "above" them.
I also realized u CAN change Codec freq manually. Up and down on the d-pad.
Gamer @ Heart said:
I'd love to see some pre-Snake Eater saga for Naked Snake, possibly set in Korea during his missions with The Boss.
It was awesome to see how MGS4 played out in the
Frog sequence in Act 1
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
WTF....
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