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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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tha_con said:
That actually sounds pretty cool. Sadly, i dont think a pre Snake Eater game will happen, otherwise it couldnt add adding to the series's lore. After killing her so dramaticly, i dont think Kojima would bring her back anyway. I was thinking it could be set inbetween the time he created of foxhound and when he broke away from Zero. Seeing as how they were best friends, there could be alot of drama there.
overthehill99
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Guys I'm confused.
Was Big Boss in the same body as he was in MGS3, or was that pieces of Solidus and Liquid. I wasn't sure if he was talking about the fake body that EVA had, or the body he was in.
tha_con said:
I think Kojima/Payton said something recently about exploring The Boss more in a new game... At this point, there are so many peripheral characters that there are plenty of stories to tell.
The Boss, Big Boss, Ocelot, MG1 & 2 remakes, Raiden, Otacon... hell, even Eva or Liquid in their Shadow Moses preparations
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
tha_con said:
Team work and mgs don't really go together though. The purpose of foxhound (i think...) was to do solo sneaking missions. it'd be cool, but it would make mgs a different game if it focused on teamwork
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Has there been any word on wether the documentary on the LE will become available online or .... already is from "various sources"?
Dr. Zoidberg
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I wouldn't mind if they did something like "Meryl Gear Solid". I like Meryl's character a lot, always have since MGS1. Remaking MG1 and MG2 would be super cool. I DON'T want any PRE-MG era games made though. That was one of my big turn-offs for "Snake Eater".
bdizzle said:
I'm not saying to focus on team work, just that it would be neat to see more sequences with team work.
Just area's where they meet up, etc. Think
MGS3 and Eva encounters, instead of a cutscene, it's a gameplay sequence with lots of enemies and team work. Picture the Boss telling you to flank left, while she distracts the enemies, and you run around and start taking out enemies w/CQC from behind, and they are completely unaware.
Could be cool...right?
Could be cool...right?
tha_con said:
The Cobra unit carries microexplosives within them, and activate when they die so they can't be captured by the enemy.
Oh, and are any more people here interested in MGO? We had a huge crowd back for the beta, but it doesn't seem like many people are interested this time around.
Opus Angelorum
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I feel that I need to play this as it's clearly a milestone within the medium.
Should be arriving tomorrow so I'll post some early impressions.
Let me state that I will be playing with a degree of scepticism, so my pre-disposition will either be validated or ripped to pieces.
Should be arriving tomorrow so I'll post some early impressions.
Let me state that I will be playing with a degree of scepticism, so my pre-disposition will either be validated or ripped to pieces.
TTP said:
Oh no way, I kept trying to find their "neck" and could never get it. Looking at that pic you posted as reference, I would always go to the completel OPPOSITE side of a downed one and shoot at the base of the head (where it meets the hips/shoulders of the thing). In the end I would always just shoot that little circular dome on top of their head. I guess I was just getting lucky stray bullets to take them down. Thanks man, I'm gonna try this when I get home tonight.
Blu_LED said:
yes, apparently he was being held against his will in an induced state of comatose after the Patriots recovered and repaired his body from Zanzibarland. They then led the world to believe he was dead, or rather in the state that EVA had captured him. EVA too was clueless that the real BB was still alive and in relatively good health. The only ones who knew were the Patriots. Where BB was being held or how he found Snake, I have no idea, although I guess he figured Snake would visit is "Grave" once the Patriots were defeated allowing him to escape.
What I want to know is Why Ocelot would...
Kill his fellow Patriot (Donald Anderson aka Sigint) during a torture session at Shadow Mosses. I mean if he and Signit were in on the whole thing did he really have to kill Sigint??
At this point in time, I don't want them to continue any of the already established characters' storylines. To me, MGS4 has proved that the storyline created by Kojima had become a mess, and that there is no real way to continue it without having silly plot holes/explanations (read: MGS4's storyline), nor is it possible to create an actually compelling storyline (because, after all, every important aspect of the The Boss-Big Boss-Solid Snake storyline has already been told, and we sure as hell don't need any more storylines like Portable Ops').
Plot holes and inconsistencies have existed in Kojima's storylines since MGS1, which retconned the MSX games in a lot of ways. But that was fine, because, in a way, MGS1 was like a reboot. MGS2 was a different kind of storyline that made us view MGS1's in a different way, but you could still make sense out of the storyline. And MGS3 was a prequel, so it didn't really had any problems to begin with, unless tiny little details such as how Big Boss' lost his eye bother you.
The problem started with Portable Ops. The silly twists that completely change how previous games are viewed, the plot holes... And that was only the beginning, because MGS4 went even further. I don't know how much of this is Kojima's own fault for not having planned the full storyline since the beginning (as he himself admits) or if it was his desire to please fans by answering everything. The thing is, to me, the series' storyline became a mess since Portable Ops, and I think that the only way for the series to go back to being awesome is to start from scratch with completely new characters and storylines (the gameplay can remain the same as MGS4, which was fantastic). That way, Kojima (or whoever directs the series from now on) can finally go back to the days of MGS1-MGS2-MGS3 and create not what the fans want, but the game he wants to create. I'll be very disappointed if MGS5 ends up being another tale of Big Boss' life, or a WWII game with The Boss as the lead character.
Sorry for the rant, but I had to get that out of my chest.
Plot holes and inconsistencies have existed in Kojima's storylines since MGS1, which retconned the MSX games in a lot of ways. But that was fine, because, in a way, MGS1 was like a reboot. MGS2 was a different kind of storyline that made us view MGS1's in a different way, but you could still make sense out of the storyline. And MGS3 was a prequel, so it didn't really had any problems to begin with, unless tiny little details such as how Big Boss' lost his eye bother you.
The problem started with Portable Ops. The silly twists that completely change how previous games are viewed, the plot holes... And that was only the beginning, because MGS4 went even further. I don't know how much of this is Kojima's own fault for not having planned the full storyline since the beginning (as he himself admits) or if it was his desire to please fans by answering everything. The thing is, to me, the series' storyline became a mess since Portable Ops, and I think that the only way for the series to go back to being awesome is to start from scratch with completely new characters and storylines (the gameplay can remain the same as MGS4, which was fantastic). That way, Kojima (or whoever directs the series from now on) can finally go back to the days of MGS1-MGS2-MGS3 and create not what the fans want, but the game he wants to create. I'll be very disappointed if MGS5 ends up being another tale of Big Boss' life, or a WWII game with The Boss as the lead character.
Sorry for the rant, but I had to get that out of my chest.
I noticed that too, but is there any secret codec frequencies that you can call by doing that? I wrote down some of the frequencies I got during the game,TTP said:
like Meryl, Drebin and Raiden
I'm now in the room
with the conveyor belts and patrolling Gekkos and those annoying small things at Shadow Moses
Crying Wolf
I honestly wouldn't be against them exploring some lore of Johnny after MGS4.
I can already picture Kojima's vision...
Instead of a stress meter, or a stamina meter, you have a "Bowel Meter" and you must control it with doses of Pepto or some other treatment for his IBS. If your meter gets too low, you give off a terrible odor that will alert enemies of your position, and your stomach will also make noises.
The next level of sneaking, obviously.
I can already picture Kojima's vision...
Instead of a stress meter, or a stamina meter, you have a "Bowel Meter" and you must control it with doses of Pepto or some other treatment for his IBS. If your meter gets too low, you give off a terrible odor that will alert enemies of your position, and your stomach will also make noises.
The next level of sneaking, obviously.
The codec is kinda useless this time around for "funny stuff". Rose is as worthless as she was in MGS2, and Otacton is well...Otacon. Really sucks you can't call your other "friends".
BTW, how do you get passwords for the EXTRAS menu? And is there anything in the Hideo 1/2 channels during the intro?
BTW, how do you get passwords for the EXTRAS menu? And is there anything in the Hideo 1/2 channels during the intro?
GoutPatrol
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hirokazu said:Johnny's much less fun when he's not ajoke characterthing, ugh. Probably one of the worst things in the game.Meryl and Johnny
Lies. LIAR.
hirokazu said:Johnny's much less fun when he's not ajoke characterthing, ugh. Probably one of the worst things in the game.Meryl and Johnny
When Drebin showed up full speed during the wedding I swear I yelled out loud RUN THEM OVER, RUN THEM OVER!
SMZC, what about Portable Ops story was a mess??
It explained how
I mean considering all of this, despite how outlandish some it may be, it is still a viable explanation of such events
It explained how
BB got the funds and resources needed for Outer Heaven, how he became a member of the Patriots, how Para-medic, EVA and Sigint were involved in this as well, also how Ocelot Betrayed the CIA for the Patriots and it even explained How BB knew Frank Jaguer and why he had loyalties to BB during the Zanzibarland Incident
I mean considering all of this, despite how outlandish some it may be, it is still a viable explanation of such events
hirokazu said:Johnny's much less fun when he's not ajoke characterthing, ugh. Probably one of the worst things in the game.Meryl and Johnny
I thought it was kind of cool for him to at least flesh him out a little.
Teh only thing that I thought came out of the post
Act 3 scenes was that Johnny was a great soldier.
And he's a perv.
Somebody link me to a site with all the cutscenes and dialog stuff from Portable Ops. I gave the game several chances, but in the end, I just thought "Screw this, this game sucks." Metal Gear Acid is way more suited to the PSP, it's a shame that PO is part of the canon. :/Bizzyb said:
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TTP said:
i was SO aiming at the wrong neck..... thanx. started act 5 now... sneaking is hard here, but i just started. and the neck tip will come in handy ;P
overthehill99
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Wait, wait wait wa!
I just started up my complete save file to play the game again, and its installing again. Why is this? I thought once its installed it saved to your HDD and will stay there.
I just started up my complete save file to play the game again, and its installing again. Why is this? I thought once its installed it saved to your HDD and will stay there.
Bizzyb said:
Well, it explains what would eventually be told in MGS4, I agree with that. It's just that I still can't get over the fact that Zero was the founder of the Patriots, and I consider Portable Ops to be the one that started that.
Sokolov being alive after Volgin's torture is a retarded plot twist as well. Big Boss being inspired by Gene's Army's Heaven makes the idea behind Outer Heaven devoid of originality, and it ruins Big Boss' character.
Regarding the funds for Outer Heaven, they don't even explain how Gene got them, they just say that he built them in secret. Why couldn't Big Boss had done the same thing? Before PO we were supposed to believe that Big Boss built Outer Heaven with the money he gained during his years as a mercenary. What was wrong with that?
Also, there's a bunch of crap that wasn't even explained in MGS4. Gene says that The Boss' death and even Volgin launching the nuke was a setup from the very beginning, but MGS4 doesn't say anything about that. Actually, it contradicts PO by saying that the CIA had The Boss killed on purpose because they saw her as a threat, when PO actually suggested that it was the mistery man who had her killed (in other words, Zero). But didn't Zero create the Patriots because he admired The Boss? I just can't make any sense out of this.
Sokolov being alive after Volgin's torture is a retarded plot twist as well. Big Boss being inspired by Gene's Army's Heaven makes the idea behind Outer Heaven devoid of originality, and it ruins Big Boss' character.
Regarding the funds for Outer Heaven, they don't even explain how Gene got them, they just say that he built them in secret. Why couldn't Big Boss had done the same thing? Before PO we were supposed to believe that Big Boss built Outer Heaven with the money he gained during his years as a mercenary. What was wrong with that?
Also, there's a bunch of crap that wasn't even explained in MGS4. Gene says that The Boss' death and even Volgin launching the nuke was a setup from the very beginning, but MGS4 doesn't say anything about that. Actually, it contradicts PO by saying that the CIA had The Boss killed on purpose because they saw her as a threat, when PO actually suggested that it was the mistery man who had her killed (in other words, Zero). But didn't Zero create the Patriots because he admired The Boss? I just can't make any sense out of this.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
SRG01 said:The Cobra unit carries microexplosives within them, and activate when they die so they can't be captured by the enemy.
Oh, and are any more people here interested in MGO? We had a huge crowd back for the beta, but it doesn't seem like many people are interested this time around.
I'm interested, i hated the beta, but for some reason im loving it now. i was hoping it'd be a little more "arcadey" like cod4 is, but perks and sop makes it fun. i requested to join the gaf frog unit clan yesterday. add me, my psn is longmeat
SMZC said:
OK I will give you
Sokolov being alive after the torture as a retarded plot twist.
But Zeros plans were set in motion well before Portable Ops.
Whoever in MGS4 stated that it was the CIA that had the Boss killed was obviously misinformed, as EVA was about the true happenings of BB. It may have been the CIA to call the shot but it was Zero who put the pieces in place, the gears in motion so to speak.
Zero knew that with Boss gone, the last living member of the Philosophers, he could use her death and memory as an institute for starting up his OWN organization. One that would, "uphold the ideals and wills of the Boss"...of course we know that didn't go as planned, as he got more Greedy and Corrupt with Power. BB saw this and disagreed with Zeros intentions, both thinking the other was not working in the true intentions of the Boss' will. I'm willing to bet BB had the better idea of what her true wills were seeing how they lived and trained 10 years together.
And yeah, he basically used Her and Ocelot to obtain the money (The Legacy) he would need to start his Organization
As for BB deciding to start Outer Heaven, think about it, before Portable Ops he had no real reason to want to do something like that, (despite being shitted on by the US govt) nor could he attain the vast amount of money and resources to ever make something like that happen. Not on his own. He doesn't have that type of influence or deep connections. But someone like Gene, who could easily influence others could very well be able to.
In POps, BB was thrusts into a position where he had hundreds of men fighting and dying for him and his cause. Prior to that he lived and worked alone, only for himself. And to top it off, he was shitted on a 2nd time by the US govt.
But Zeros plans were set in motion well before Portable Ops.
Whoever in MGS4 stated that it was the CIA that had the Boss killed was obviously misinformed, as EVA was about the true happenings of BB. It may have been the CIA to call the shot but it was Zero who put the pieces in place, the gears in motion so to speak.
Zero knew that with Boss gone, the last living member of the Philosophers, he could use her death and memory as an institute for starting up his OWN organization. One that would, "uphold the ideals and wills of the Boss"...of course we know that didn't go as planned, as he got more Greedy and Corrupt with Power. BB saw this and disagreed with Zeros intentions, both thinking the other was not working in the true intentions of the Boss' will. I'm willing to bet BB had the better idea of what her true wills were seeing how they lived and trained 10 years together.
And yeah, he basically used Her and Ocelot to obtain the money (The Legacy) he would need to start his Organization
As for BB deciding to start Outer Heaven, think about it, before Portable Ops he had no real reason to want to do something like that, (despite being shitted on by the US govt) nor could he attain the vast amount of money and resources to ever make something like that happen. Not on his own. He doesn't have that type of influence or deep connections. But someone like Gene, who could easily influence others could very well be able to.
In POps, BB was thrusts into a position where he had hundreds of men fighting and dying for him and his cause. Prior to that he lived and worked alone, only for himself. And to top it off, he was shitted on a 2nd time by the US govt.
oh and these vids can be found on youtube, easily
NinjaCodah
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Bizzyb said:
this.
If you replay all the MGS games and pay close attention to everything, the story is actually consistent from the very beginning (of the Solid games at least). MGS's main problem is that you need to actually pay attention to everything that was said in every game in order to completely understand what's going on. I don't know exactly how far ahead they planned this story when they were making MGS1. All i know and care about is that, in the end, everything works out perfectly.
BobTheFork
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The Moment whereBizzyb said:
Jonathan Died I though was really the moment he turned
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Someone should try manually tuning into Raiden's and Drebin's frequences. Maybe it will work.jett said:
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