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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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tribal24 said:
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Wow. I just got to the scene on MGS2 where fortune magicly deflects 100 rockets after finding out the secret to her "power" and where liquid takes over Ocelot when he is inside ray. Not only does his voice change but it was clear to me ocelot was totally going to kill everyone there. Wasnt he suppose to be
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWEpYpxxryQ&feature=related
Its called, Metal Gear Solid 2 - Full Story Version (part 11 Solidus) if copying the link doesnt work.
I would have hyperlinked it, but the window to allow scripted windows didnt pop up.
Any help would be great.
working with the rest of the gang in MGS4 to secretly get rid of the Patriots from within at this point? That is no act on ocelots part. From what liquid said it was he who was out to destroy the patriots and from what i remember of Eva's explination in act 3, liquid didnt fit in it at all. Is there a logical reason for this, did kojima back peddle, or am i just suppose to accept it was truly an act on ocelots part? Maybe im just wrong about Eva's explination?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWEpYpxxryQ&feature=related
Its called, Metal Gear Solid 2 - Full Story Version (part 11 Solidus) if copying the link doesnt work.
I would have hyperlinked it, but the window to allow scripted windows didnt pop up.
Any help would be great.
thetrin
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kurahadol said:
It's awesome that you did that, but the APC's location in that fight made it a GLARINGLY obvious strategy. I figured it wouldn't work because it was TOO obvious, but it worked great. It also helps that
sniping her actual body as she preps for a sniping shot takes a ton of her health off.
DangerStepp
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Gamer @ Heart said:
Yet another good point that adds to my list of questions. It seems the digger I deep the more (possible) plot holes I think I'm finding.
Attack You
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Gamer @ Heart said:
At that point, Ocelot was actually "possessed" by Liquid, due to using Liquid's arm. Understandably freaked out by the occurrence, he later had it replaced with a prosthetic arm.
slaughterking
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And does anyone know why this affects MGO, which isn't even using PSN?tribal24 said:
This makes me so angry. D:<
thetrin
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Gamer @ Heart said:
Ocelot used Liquid's identity to protect him from being labeled as a traitor by JD. While on Arsenal, he had to play the part of Ocelot. After all, everything was being watched! As long as Liquid's personality was taking the blame, Ocelot himself remained a loyal patriot.
Imo, it might be a stretch, but it looks like Ocelot playing the part.
Imo, it might be a stretch, but it looks like Ocelot playing the part.
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thetrin said:
That's basically what they tell you in MGS4 and obviously, someone didn't want Raiden and Snake dead and I really doubt they survived because Fortune suddenly got powers for real
thetrin
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jett said:
I'm hardly an apologist. I think a lot of things in MGS2 don't mesh with things in MGS4. I'm just offering a possible explanation, instead of readying the pitchforks and fire.
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thetrin said:
Thats what i figuered. It would have been a bit easier to accept if they had at least kept ocelots voice when he got "possessed".
PIMPBYBLUD
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Formless said:
Naomi gave him some nanomachines that cause rapid regeneration. She has them too because she is battling cancer.
Gamer @ Heart
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Something else i noticed watching the last hour of MGS2: They cut straight from Arsenal gear in the ocean to solidus and raiden falling on top of federal hall. Isnt this where they had footage of it crashing through NY but got cut after 9/11?
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Gamer @ Heart said:
They only changed the voice so people would know what was going on. It's like when they show flashbacks in black and white so people actually know they're watching a flashback.
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Hearing solidus speech made me feel sorry for the guy. He was actually doing the world good. Tragic.
I cant believe i forgot all this. As interesting as the conplex story is, it makes me appreciate Snakes Eater straight foward story that much more.
I cant believe i forgot all this. As interesting as the conplex story is, it makes me appreciate Snakes Eater straight foward story that much more.
Gamer @ Heart said:
I guess the way it would be explained is that Ocelot pretended to turn off Fortune's device and then kill her, but actually kept Fortune's device on, and then acted surprised when everyone didn't die. Or he was actually going to kill them, because the whole plot involving Snake that goes into motion in MGS4 hadn't been fully formulated yet.
Or the whole identity of the Patriots organization and explanation for Ocelot was a massive retcon done solely to please fans who wanted everything answered, while justifying MGS3 as existing in the MGS series in terms of story, regardless of what such answers did to earlier MGS games or to MGS4.
Or the whole identity of the Patriots organization and explanation for Ocelot was a massive retcon done solely to please fans who wanted everything answered, while justifying MGS3 as existing in the MGS series in terms of story, regardless of what such answers did to earlier MGS games or to MGS4.
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Forget what i said about solidus. His dream was a noble one but he was still an asshole. He killed Raidens parents! Also, watching the colonol and rosemary's speech about the true S3 system and completion of GW before the final fight was great. It reminded me a bit of the matrix. Man i wish i did this refresher course before i beat 4.
Lord Error
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Yeah, I just learned that the other day, and they are even stored in higher quality there, apparently. I'll take a look at that disc now that I've completed the game.Struct09 said:
That's pretty much how I feel about Ocelot as well. Very lovable asshole though. Great character overall, despite whatever discrepancies are brought to light about him (I don't really care all that much about complete continuity)Gamer @ Heart said:
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Try if the problem lies in the disc. Try another game.Danielsan said:Well fuck. I think my brand new PS3 just died. The game won't load past the initial warning about save games. What the hell
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snack said:
Better reason to explain Raiden:
Some/most of what she said sounds just like part of the cover story to protect her child from the Patriots. She rejects him to keep the kid safe. Raiden is a bit messed up about it, and then being tortured and cybernetically modified by the Patriots in Area 51? Knowing that dying would kill Sunny? Enough to push him a bit over the edge, Grey Fox style.
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Marconelly said:
Whats on the extra blu ray besides the making of? I could only find that on youtube
.And i feel the same about ocelot. the shit that man has been through is crazy. I can't get his voice out of my head when he says "Bro-ther!!" in Act 1.
Lord Error
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Wanted to ask this - how does anyone feel about the final product matching up to the fabled 2005 TGS trailer?
Some things I noticed that go for that trailer - it was 60FPS, and it had what seemed like perfect shadow resolution (not the case in final game). The room depicted there looks visibly more detailed than in the game, there are more light sources in it, the fire on the wall is better looking etc.
Other things I noticed that go for the final game - the character's skin looks significantly better. There's none of that oily look that TGS2005 trailer had which is a huge plus for the game's visuals in my book. Skin has a nice and soft appearance almost at all times. Maybe not as good as in HS, but very nice regardless and much better than in that trailer. Also, the HDR looks somehow better here too. It has a very nice light dispersion and overall less harsh look.
Unrelated to this, but some of the characters in the game have some *really* impressive looking hair. Rose for example. I'm sure there was another character (could be Naomi, I know it's not Meryl) where I was really impressed with hair in many scenes.
Some things I noticed that go for that trailer - it was 60FPS, and it had what seemed like perfect shadow resolution (not the case in final game). The room depicted there looks visibly more detailed than in the game, there are more light sources in it, the fire on the wall is better looking etc.
Other things I noticed that go for the final game - the character's skin looks significantly better. There's none of that oily look that TGS2005 trailer had which is a huge plus for the game's visuals in my book. Skin has a nice and soft appearance almost at all times. Maybe not as good as in HS, but very nice regardless and much better than in that trailer. Also, the HDR looks somehow better here too. It has a very nice light dispersion and overall less harsh look.
Unrelated to this, but some of the characters in the game have some *really* impressive looking hair. Rose for example. I'm sure there was another character (could be Naomi, I know it's not Meryl) where I was really impressed with hair in many scenes.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
Ok, I know the reason that Ocelot
Let liquids conscious take over was so that he wouldnt be tracked by The Patriots system, but Liquid lived on through Ocelots body, so wouldnt that mean ocelots nanomachines still functioned? If thats the case, then wouldnt The patriots still be able to detect his movements?
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:lol Probably not. Everyone else sure seemed to know though.Bizzyb said:
Crazymoogle said:
That doesn't sound like it's the case.
Even as a non-ninja, Raiden is a very capable soldier. A child of his wouldn't be in danger if he were around and responsible. According to Rose (and Raiden's mental state corroborates this), Raiden went loopy before Rose did anything, including mention the miscarriage. Raiden leaves her before she tells him that, it sounds like.
The whole thing seems fishy to me. If Rose miscarries, then how did she give birth to the child at all? Did she hide in Campbell's basement or something? What the heck was her kid up to, anyways? It assumes a lot of shortsightedness on the part of the Patriots, which isn't necessarily impossible, but still seems odd.
The whole thing seems fishy to me. If Rose miscarries, then how did she give birth to the child at all? Did she hide in Campbell's basement or something? What the heck was her kid up to, anyways? It assumes a lot of shortsightedness on the part of the Patriots, which isn't necessarily impossible, but still seems odd.
Another random plot question that someone who read the Database in more detail can probably answer:
Arsenal Gear was a huge project. Its construction was done in secret, and an elaborate backstory had to be created to cover up its existence. It was two years between the creation of Big Shell and the completion of Arsenal. So where did another Arsenal Gear come from? The whole project seemed like a failure, so I don't get why another would have been produced.
On a semi-related note, GW being recovered because the worm in MGS2 'only cut it into pieces' is a really weak excuse.
On a semi-related note, GW being recovered because the worm in MGS2 'only cut it into pieces' is a really weak excuse.
Lord Error
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Wasn't that trailer still realtime, just maybe frame-by-frame recorded into a video? I have watched it just recently, and I feel pretty safe in saying that skin shader looked much worse in it.jett said:
More than anything that trailer hinted at even more tiny detail than the game ended up having I guess (which is already a huge amount), but on the other side, the game often had 10x times more stuff thrown on the screen than the relatively desolate (in comparison) trailer did.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
Ocelot is the star of the showBlockBastard said:
Marconelly said:
The skin shading is much better than the porcelain, flat skin we got instead. Maybe that's more to do with the lighting I guess. And I don't care what anyone says, that shit was so not real-time, not on a PS3 anyway.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9306169&postcount=1002
MGS4 as it is looks nice, but that trailer was total bullcrap.
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JasonMCG said:
There are 3 chickens: Solidus, Liquid, & Solid aboard and she means that Solidus wasn't able to produce any eggs that day.
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JasonMCG said:
edit: beaten
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