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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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Darkpen said:
I was just using Solidus as an example as he was the main villain of MGS2, yet I felt very little for him as opposed to Boss, Liquid, Ocelot
(to be honest, the way he was treated in 4, provoked the strongest feeling from me.)
mambadragon
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Can someone give me a rough estimate of how long each Act takes (including the cutscenes)? It's probably been asked but I don't want to wade through the thread in fear of spoilers. I beat Act 1 in 2.5 hours, and I'm trying to plan the rest of this week to finish it. Thanks.
Isn't that ironic?dalyr95 said:
The thing with Solidus is that you have to replace the "Solid Snake" that's mentioned before the Harrier fight, with "Solidus Snake," in your head. Then bam, he's giving more ground.
But you're right. You can't appreciate who Solidus was, and what he was trying to achieve, because not only is everything explained right at the end, and in the most horribly written fashion ever, but the guy's just trying to kill you. What's confusing is wrapping your head around the fact that he was a good guy (in a way).
BruceLeeRoy
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Auron_Kale said:Started my second play-through last night - working on trying to get the assassin emblem, as well as other things. I told myself that I'd take a brief hiatus from the game after completing it the first time (I wanted like at least a week's break) but after deciding to complete the database instead of patching GTA4 (like I had originally planned), I went right back to playing MGS4 again. God I love this game.
Probably my favorite touch in the game is the fact that Sunny's songs are all sung to the MGS main theme. Now I won't be able to stare at the periodic table without humming the main theme :lol.
:lol :lol Thats great.
I must say that Yahtzee wasn't as brutal in Zero Punctuation: Metal Gear Solid 4 as he could have.
thetrin
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Darkpen said:
Dude, I'm an English BA, and loved the script. Don't label all the haters that way. We may all WRITE pretentiously, but we don't all think everything has to BE pretentious.
i think there might be something wrong with my game..
i'm on act 3 and I can't find the resistance member. The first time I tried the act I found him right away, however after failing the mission and restarting I am unable to find him at all. I can constantly hear him whistling but I don't see him anywhere. After searching for 10 minutes Otacon tells me I need to find another member. -_-
Darkpen said:No
I'm sure those emblems will have something to do with when Home comes out.
Also, what part ofAct 5 are you talking about? The long hallway that you have to go through, or the fight right before Screaming Mantis? I just beat the game w/ the Big Boss emblem, and honestly, it initial wave of haven troopers aren't that bad, and the long hallway with the dwarf gekko can be completely ignored by using the drum can to roll them over.
Hopefully. I find little motivation to earn emblems, camos, etc. in the absence of Achievements.
With regards to Act 5
(I'm talking about the very beginning of the level primarily). The haven troopers just keep coming endlessly, there's very little stealth, and just as I get my rail gun powers up to take out a Gecko I get attacked from behind...lame. MGS4 is not at it's best during these moments.
Perhaps my biggest complaint about the game is the omnipresent Drebin store. This almost completely eliminated any challenge that the bosses posed (and it would have been more interesting to know about their back-stories BEFORE the fights...)
â Narayan
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Regardless, FOXDIE working onDunpealD said:
EVA
Big Boss
EVA made contact with Snake.
AndresON777
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Brad said:
Sometimes he gets lost if you dont keep up, just use that scanner thing that otacon gives you...and listen to the police talk, then the area of you map where he is at will light up, other than that idk dude....maybe you wandered too far away from where the level starts
Edit: these are tips for people who are either frustrated with the end fights, or want to know what I've personally learned.
So guys, I know that some of you have some trouble with fighting
Now, I'd like to talk about the
fight:
So guys, I know that some of you have some trouble with fighting
Liquid Ocelot at the end. As someone who beat him on Extreme, let me give you some tips:
On phase 1, know that kicking him in the face knocks him back. What you want to do is basically get him to a corner, or just to the invisible wall, and when he gets back up, just do the straight up 1-2 punches that you can do from keeping your guards up, which will break his guard, and then the second hit sends him flying. Just keep doing the guard-punches over and over.
On phase 2, while you do want to stay away and dodge his strong punch that he does every now and then, something you can do is just circle him when he does that, then do a standard ppkk combo, which will normally send him flying. The kick normally lands, though sometimes he'll block that too. When he's knocked down, get close to him, and go to his side. As he's getting up, start the ppkk combo, and the kick should knock him back. Just repeat, and you should be fine.
On phase 3, its slightly more complicated. You don't need to dodge anymore, so take your thumb off of the X button, and instead keep it on Triangle. You're gonna want it there for both countering, avoiding attacks, and doing headbutts. Basically, use both ppkk, pp+triangle, and guard+p, in a mixed variety. When he change stances with one arm up and one arm down, he's getting ready to do CQC on your ass. This is an opportune moment to try and land a guard punch on him, to really knock him out.
And finally, if you run low on health at any time, you can always press and hold Triangle when Ocelot does his taunt for any of his phases. You can also trigger it by backing away for an extended period of time, avoiding him. When he does it after he's knocked you do, try to get a small bit of health recovered by holding triangle. Its not much, but every bit helps.
On phase 1, know that kicking him in the face knocks him back. What you want to do is basically get him to a corner, or just to the invisible wall, and when he gets back up, just do the straight up 1-2 punches that you can do from keeping your guards up, which will break his guard, and then the second hit sends him flying. Just keep doing the guard-punches over and over.
On phase 2, while you do want to stay away and dodge his strong punch that he does every now and then, something you can do is just circle him when he does that, then do a standard ppkk combo, which will normally send him flying. The kick normally lands, though sometimes he'll block that too. When he's knocked down, get close to him, and go to his side. As he's getting up, start the ppkk combo, and the kick should knock him back. Just repeat, and you should be fine.
On phase 3, its slightly more complicated. You don't need to dodge anymore, so take your thumb off of the X button, and instead keep it on Triangle. You're gonna want it there for both countering, avoiding attacks, and doing headbutts. Basically, use both ppkk, pp+triangle, and guard+p, in a mixed variety. When he change stances with one arm up and one arm down, he's getting ready to do CQC on your ass. This is an opportune moment to try and land a guard punch on him, to really knock him out.
And finally, if you run low on health at any time, you can always press and hold Triangle when Ocelot does his taunt for any of his phases. You can also trigger it by backing away for an extended period of time, avoiding him. When he does it after he's knocked you do, try to get a small bit of health recovered by holding triangle. Its not much, but every bit helps.
Now, I'd like to talk about the
Rex vs Ray
So initially, he'll probably pound your ass into submission several times, until you get lucky and somehow win. Here's what you do to get a guaranteed win:
When you initially start out, take a few steps forward (like 2), and then dash, crashing into Ray. When you do this, start mashing triangle, to initiate the automatic combo animation. Sometimes, when you and Ray are close, or if Ray is about to attack you, you have a small window of a counter. With this in mind, anytime you're close, you want to be mashing triangle for that opportunity. Otherwise, dash at him to knock him down, or start kicking with R1.
What you also need to know is how to use each weapon:
The gattling gun is the easiest to use, but the most it'll do is paralyze Ray for a brief period of time. Its best to use it when Ray throws a bunch of missiles at you, as you'll want to shoot those missiles down.
The missiles you fire lock on when you see a red cross on Ray's body. This is more or less a guaranteed hit, and you always want to fire it when you think you have a clear shot. When he into far-mid range, or if he's circling you and appears into the open, you can also try to predict where he's gonna move, and shoot your wave of missiles in that direction as well.
The best weapon, however, is the Laser. Its the best weapon for having a preemptive strike on Ray, especially when Ray's health is down 50%. Keep that thing charged for when you want to use it, and the best part about it is the range and damage. There's a recharge time for when the laser needs power again, so mix it up with the missiles, but for a sure win, keep the laser at the ready for when Ray's health is 1/6.
All of these weapons, however, are great to use when Ray's in mid-range (especially the rockets and the laser). Because what you want to do (especially when Ray starts to block when you rush at it), is use a weapon to paralyze it, and immediately rush with forward+X, and start mashing triangle.
I can't emphasize enough just how important it is to keep your finger on triangle when ray's close, though. It helps a lot. Same applies to the final fight with Ocelot.
When you initially start out, take a few steps forward (like 2), and then dash, crashing into Ray. When you do this, start mashing triangle, to initiate the automatic combo animation. Sometimes, when you and Ray are close, or if Ray is about to attack you, you have a small window of a counter. With this in mind, anytime you're close, you want to be mashing triangle for that opportunity. Otherwise, dash at him to knock him down, or start kicking with R1.
What you also need to know is how to use each weapon:
The gattling gun is the easiest to use, but the most it'll do is paralyze Ray for a brief period of time. Its best to use it when Ray throws a bunch of missiles at you, as you'll want to shoot those missiles down.
The missiles you fire lock on when you see a red cross on Ray's body. This is more or less a guaranteed hit, and you always want to fire it when you think you have a clear shot. When he into far-mid range, or if he's circling you and appears into the open, you can also try to predict where he's gonna move, and shoot your wave of missiles in that direction as well.
The best weapon, however, is the Laser. Its the best weapon for having a preemptive strike on Ray, especially when Ray's health is down 50%. Keep that thing charged for when you want to use it, and the best part about it is the range and damage. There's a recharge time for when the laser needs power again, so mix it up with the missiles, but for a sure win, keep the laser at the ready for when Ray's health is 1/6.
All of these weapons, however, are great to use when Ray's in mid-range (especially the rockets and the laser). Because what you want to do (especially when Ray starts to block when you rush at it), is use a weapon to paralyze it, and immediately rush with forward+X, and start mashing triangle.
I can't emphasize enough just how important it is to keep your finger on triangle when ray's close, though. It helps a lot. Same applies to the final fight with Ocelot.
Lord Error
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I don't get complaints about Act 5 beginning. I was playing the game on hard and was able to sneak through just fine. I tried going into fight first time, died, then realized I could pretty easily sneak there.
What I did is I just crawled towards the left side (where you start) and used tranq gun to put to sleep everyone who was close. It was pretty easy, and the only time I was spotted was one of the moments where the enemy was unsure about it, so I was able to put them to sleep before they got closer. Sneaking past Gekkos there was even easier.
What I did is I just crawled towards the left side (where you start) and used tranq gun to put to sleep everyone who was close. It was pretty easy, and the only time I was spotted was one of the moments where the enemy was unsure about it, so I was able to put them to sleep before they got closer. Sneaking past Gekkos there was even easier.
you fool.soldat7 said:
You can stealth through that. How do you think we're getting our Big Boss emblem?
personally, I messed up half-way to the door on my first playthrough, but I certainly wasn't as crappy as to complain about an "unending wave of frogs and gekko"Marconelly said:
AndresON777
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That's what I love about MGS4, you can play it as a shooterfest if you like. I'm doing my
2nd play thru right now and I'm taking out everything. Love killing those big apvs now with the rail gun. I think I'll just spare the beauties, I'm not going for the Big Boss Emblem until I have confirmation that it will show up on my trophies/achievements.
2nd play thru right now and I'm taking out everything. Love killing those big apvs now with the rail gun. I think I'll just spare the beauties, I'm not going for the Big Boss Emblem until I have confirmation that it will show up on my trophies/achievements.
soldat7 said:
Hold up, are you saying that:
Online Achievements > The reward of getting awesome items like the stealth camo and Bandanna?
I'll never understand you people.
That place is very easy to stealth in, you've just got to be aware that the Frogs and fall from above because they are looking for you, don't stay in the middle of the hallways either.
Red Blaster
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soldat7 said:
The part you mentioned is quite easy to slip through unseen. Hang to the left, tranq/kill any Frawgs and drop a Chaff to get by the Gekko to open the watertight door.
The lower difficulties certainly are shooterfests, but in turn, it ruins any chance at inspiring the idea of the game being a fucking STEALTH GAME to the god damned newbies. MGS1 had an oldschool approach of giving you limited health that would slowly grow by defeating new bosses, but with MGS4, that same sense of stealth is absolutely gone. People run into the open, and complain about how they're dying so damned much, as they blow through their initial collection of rations like the dumbasses they are.ChrisGoldstein said:
I blame the game and how dumbed down it got, but on the other hand, I'm happy that they made the hardcore goals much more reachable this time around.
Edit: oh, and the worst part of it all: The fact that people will openly fire at the militiamen. I think they seriously needed to have Otacon remind Snake that you can ALLY WITH THEM, MAKING THE GAME EASIER.
â Narayan
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For a good lot of its victims, I agree. I just disagree that it happened with the two characters that I mentioned.DunpealD said:
I've done Act 2 now I have 1:42 on the clock.
Oh well at least i can have a relaxing first half of Act 3.
The Drebin part wasn't as bad as I thought the manned machines in the Vista Mansion had me worried that they''d eat my life up which i'd suffer for later, and the other part where the Gekko's pop up and the Vehicle is stood still had me worried as well, then I figured that I look for a shadow on Snakes back, so i know when to get off the machne gun to CQC their ass, the Eva part on the motorbike won't be as forgiving I bet. :|
Oh well at least i can have a relaxing first half of Act 3.
I'm happy that the stealth is underrespresented in this game. I never liked the heavy stealth much in MGS1 and 2 and thanks to changes in( the freedom of how you can play) MGS3 and MGS4 i'm enjoying the series much more. I can see why die hard fans would be dissapointed though.
MoxManiac said:
The great thing about MSG4 is that the stealth (which was always decent) is all there to use but the shooting has been elevated to equal status. Snake was always an amazing sneaker but his gunfighting was spotty at best due to camera and controls.
Now Snake is every bit as good an infantryman as he is a scout. I love that about the game.
Pop On Arrival
Banned
I seriously miss the wait for MGS4. Goddamn, the only games I'm looking forward to now are FFXIII, RE5 and WKC. God knows when those two RPG's are coming out.
Announce MGS5, konami.
Announce MGS5, konami.
Maybe I'm just dense (or overlooked something in the game), but what the hell is that logo used on MGS Database supposed to be (it's the little icon used when selecting from the XMB and in the main program right after you click "Database")?
it looks like this:
GA
UDI
it looks like this:
GA
UDI
soldat7 said:
Even without it, you can sneak through there on any difficulty. You're suicidal doing it the way you are and setting yourself up for frustration.
There's some people that will charge a brick wall repeatedly no matter how often it knocks them down thinking they'll eventually break through.
Shinz Kicker
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im suprised so many people are having so much trouble with BE mode. im gonna try a from scratch runn sometime soon. thats going to be rough.
AndresON777
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Dyno said:
Yes. I love the first person shooting, and if you want to be stealth go ahead but you're not forced to unless it's big boss extreme I reckon...which I have not played yet, only big boss hard.
overthehill99
Member
Is it possible
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to get past the motorcycle part without killing anyone on Big Boss Extreme
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