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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
There's some things I just don't get (that I'm sure I'll get in subsequent playthroughs or looking through the database) but one thing I want clarified now, if possible, is the explanation of...
I usually can go without explanations if the game leaves it up to the imagination, but I just wanted to know if there were any *technical* explanations for these questions.
Thanks.
Why the syringes that Liquid Ocelot and Snake kept on using to "heal" themselves actually healed them? What did they do? I thought they just suppressed nanomachines, not actually heal your wounds...What did I miss?
Also, when Snake is rescued by armless Raiden, why does his psyche and health suddenly go back up - before the rescue, Snake couldn't protect himself against the FROGS because his health and psyche drained to the very bottom of his meter?
Also, when Snake is rescued by armless Raiden, why does his psyche and health suddenly go back up - before the rescue, Snake couldn't protect himself against the FROGS because his health and psyche drained to the very bottom of his meter?
I usually can go without explanations if the game leaves it up to the imagination, but I just wanted to know if there were any *technical* explanations for these questions.
Thanks.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
shri, re: your second point.
the game was up , Snake was done and surrounded, his final mission was failed. He didn't have the energy to fight, so his psyche was way down. But then Raiden turns up to save the day, suddenly things aren't all over, suddenly the mission is back on - all he has to do is get through and he can complete the mission. Psyche goes way back up. The mission is still possible.
His psyche might have went up when he saw everyone had dumped their guns for knives too!
His psyche might have went up when he saw everyone had dumped their guns for knives too!
Slurmer said:
I don't quite see some intentional stuffs in that part, may be a bit look alike
720p direct feed of that part (~10MB, < 8 sec, spoiler for sure)
http://download.yousendit.com/D3FB31071DE7E32E
Anyone else having troubles doing Screaming Mantis on Extreme? I'm going for the BB Emblem and this seems to be my only problem(Aside from Wolf, but that was more because the fight took me about 45 minutes) it seems I just get torn to shreds in under a minute, anyone have any tips?
oh yeah, you have capture equipment, don't you? Would you mind capturing the wallpapers for all of the emblems? Especially Big Boss and Altair in particular. (You can view them by holding L1 while viewing any particular emblem)maskrider said:
edit: lol, oh wow, it really does look like the 360's light circle thing.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
DCharlie said:shri, re: your second point.
the game was up , Snake was done and surrounded, his final mission was failed. He didn't have the energy to fight, so his psyche was way down. But then Raiden turns up to save the day, suddenly things aren't all over, suddenly the mission is back on - all he has to do is get through and he can complete the mission. Psyche goes way back up. The mission is still possible.
His psyche might have went up when he saw everyone had dumped their guns for knives too!
That's what I kind of thought myself, you just put it in words that made it sound more believable - I guess when his psyche goes up, he starts feeling better and his health goes up also.
Now if only the magical syringes can be explained!
Now if only the magical syringes can be explained!
fistfulofmetal
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Shrinnan said:Now if only the magical syringes can be explained!
They suppress the nanomachines in his body that are acting up due to when Ocelot did the stuff in the Middle East then again in South America.
the New York launch event:
http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/19685
lol at the guy that does both versions of Liquid :lol so awesome
http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/19685
lol at the guy that does both versions of Liquid :lol so awesome
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
The spoilers below contain END GAME spoilers:
fistfulofmetal said:
I knew the syringe suppressed the nanos, I just wasn't sure why it seemingly healed both Ocelot and Snake as they were fighting. They were using it on each other to "heal" each other to extend the fight - and it didn't "heal" Snake when he tried to use it before Raiden showed up to save him, why did it work now during the fight with Ocelot?
Also, did Ocelot hypnotize and trick himself into being Liquid through nanomachines? I distinctly remember Big Boss talking about how nanomachines couldn't achieve turning someone into another person, or maybe I just got the quote wrong.
Also, did Ocelot hypnotize and trick himself into being Liquid through nanomachines? I distinctly remember Big Boss talking about how nanomachines couldn't achieve turning someone into another person, or maybe I just got the quote wrong.
MickeyKnox
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:lol good times, didn't realize those guys were ziff people when they were going around.Darkpen said:
The Crimson Kid
what are you waiting for
Shrinnan said:
I figured there were different types of chemical makeups in the syringes. The syringe used for most of the game suppresses the nanomachines to keep them from acting up, so why couldn't there be a syringe that strengthens them? I'd figure that whoever invented those syringes would come up with both at around the same time. Also, Snake wouldn't have needed to know about the strengthening syringe because of the detrimental flareups the nanomachines caused, and Naomi wouldn't want that flareup to become stronger.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
SRG01 said:
I think he was using the syringe for three different POSSIBLE reasons - if the syringe was the type to suppress nanos, it could help bring him back to being Ocelot instead of being Liquid (hence the changes during the last fight with Ocelot being the last phase you fight - along with Snake, Ocelot was getting beaten up pretty badly so he used the syringe to help him out (like Snake did, again) - Foxdie, as you said, was killing Ocelot so maybe the syringe could help suppress that until the fight ended.
Those are my guesses.
The Crimson Kid said:
I was thinking that too but the game never specifically states a fluid like that was invented. I guess it could be up to your imagination (and it's not that big of a stretch), but it looked like the same type of syringe that suppressed nanos (though looks really has nothing to do with it but it was never stated which lead one to believe the syringes were all one type).
Maybe the database brings this into more light? I haven't read all of it yet. Not even close, actually.
Sometimes I can be overcritical of details like that so maybe stuff like that was intended to be left for your imagination and maybe I can just leave it at that without having to have an explanation.
Ploid 3.0
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1stStrike said:
My first play through of mgs4 was a totally insane mind trip. It was like I looked in pandora's box or something like a forbidden knowledge that would leave me unable to speak when I got to the
eva
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
There's still one thing I dont understand about the story?
If Sigint/DARPA Chief was one of The Patriots, then why the hell did he help build REX?
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
Farnack said:
REX was being built for solidus though. Why would sigint build it for him when The Patriots didnt want it to happen?
My assumption is that Sigint didnt know it was built for solidus, but you would think that a huge company like DAPRA would know who they're working for, especially when it comes to the development of a nuclear weapon
liquidspeed
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they didnt, only his mentality not the physical being, spirit, etc...Shrinnan said:
btw I stated this as vaguely as possible because IM on my PS3 and cant spoiler yhis very easily.
MODS please spoiler this for me if its too specific.
liquidspeed
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they didnt, only his mentality not the physical being, spirit, etc...Shrinnan said:
btw I stated this as vaguely as possible because IM on my PS3 and cant spoiler yhis very easily.
MODS please spoiler this for me if its too specific.
Dabookerman
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Man, the Database is pretty badass.
Area 51 being shoehorned in was pretty random, they could of chosen anything else lol
Farnack said:
When Act 3 started and I first saw young snake camo, I almost cried my eyes out. One of the best scenes in the game where Snake just pushes PMC:s around with that cool jacket and everything. I was even more impressed when I was given the opportunity to control him in that enviroment.
But in the end it was a disappointment because tailing the dude was so freaking easy and that stupid river part where I got discovered like ten times because I didn't want to use camo and solid eye... fuck that river. Ended up doing it full camo and tranquing every fucking PMC in town.
Also it really was a super sterile enviroment. Great atmosphere there, but the execution wasn't that good. Probably the part in the game I don't want to play again when I return sneaking....
But I liked the chase. Even though scripted sequences aren't too interesting, it was still fun to shoot around and see vehicles fly past you. Too bad for those wanting no kills in their runs :lol
Panajev2001a
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psycho_snake said:
Solidus was working under the Patriots at the time of the Shadow Moses incident.
Ploid 3.0
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Danielsan said:Just had my first cool game of MGO. I think team deathmatch is when it works best. I found a nice sniping (camping) spot and was ranking up my headshot count.
lol darn snipers.
Playing as snake on a full room is darn hard. Everyone is watching everyone's back. If you get someone and try to recover the dog tag you expose yourself most of the time.
This is why I don't watch trailers for games I'm gonna buy anyway.Pimpwerx said:
Read the OP. Then read your post. Then read the OP again. I'm reading this thread mainly for some general gameplay tips and for easter eggs, if it's too much of a hassle to spoiler tag major plot point then maybe you should just stop posting.jett said:
I don't know, I'm playing an action game, watching is generally not want I want to be doing during those sequences.Cartman86 said:
But then, I'm a film guy and MGS newb, and I generally disliked all of the cutscenes no matter what was happening. How many goddamn times do I have to watch bad guys swarm around the protagonists and wait to deliver the killing blow? You know, to wait for someone else to bust in and save the day (
like every appearance of Raiden
Seriously, after the Mantis fight, the soldiers charging Meryl could only kill at point blank range? You've got fucking rifles, get the job over with!
Raiden pausing at the end of the tunnel out of Shadow Moses compound for no fucking reason
Yeah, let's stop under a building that's about to be destroyed by the suicidal gekkos you just escaped from instead of going a few extra paces to safety. All because someone thought it'd be cool if he fought without arms in a later cutscene.
Anywho, beat the game tonight. The gameplay's pretty sweet and I love the art design, but I don't think I'll watch the cutscenes ever again. I'll start up another run through right away though.
Finally finished the game (just haven't had the time so I set aside some yesterday). I played all the way through Act 5. Pretty good overall, but damn, those were some LONG cutscenes. Still pretty good stuff.
I was surprised by the gameplay in Act 5 as I actually really enjoyed what little there is. The first area was challenging, but I managed to sneak all the way through it without being seen. There were a ton of routes you could mess with as well. Very cool area. If only the area had more places like that. They simply needed more gameplay.
I was surprised by the gameplay in Act 5 as I actually really enjoyed what little there is. The first area was challenging, but I managed to sneak all the way through it without being seen. There were a ton of routes you could mess with as well. Very cool area. If only the area had more places like that. They simply needed more gameplay.
GoncaloCCastro
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Just finished my 4th playthrough and I feel like playing it again...it's just so awesome.
I also finished reading the entire MGS4 Database, that thing is really complete, I love the faces drawings in the relationship table, wish I could capture it!
Saw a lot of ghosts on Shadow Moses using the camera and The Sorrow doll. Too bad they don't stay in the pictures when you saved them as a JPG
I also finished reading the entire MGS4 Database, that thing is really complete, I love the faces drawings in the relationship table, wish I could capture it!
Metalmurphy
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The what now?Brobzoid said:
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