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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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fistfulofmetal
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I've been wanting to get a replica MK23 USSOCOM since fucking MGS.
10 years it's been. I will get one one of these days.
10 years it's been. I will get one one of these days.
Darkpen said:
Why'd you get defensive in the first place? I was just trying to talk about the figures and you took it personally for some reason. I really have no idea why. You act like I was trying to insult your knowledge of the game, which couldn't have been further from the truth.
/confused
Thanks for the Vamp info though.
Finally found time to finish it.
A few questions.
I'll dive into the MGS4 Database later. Just wanting to get some discussion on things.
A few questions.
The new Foxdie snake got. Modified to kill Big Boss and who else? Also, who programmed it? Naomi? Did she know? That's kind of odd, especially since I assume she thought he was dead. Was she just given data to throw in there? Or was Solidus a perfect copy of Big Boss and it worked like that?
Also, I never played the original MGS1, only Twin Snakes (Yeah, kill me, whatever), but I remember the biggest gripe was that Mei Ling lost her accent. There's no accent this time around. What do you say about that as far as what's canon?
I assume the gun shot we hear before Snake tried to off himself was Big Boss firing the Patriot into the air?
Anyone else think Zero at first was Fatman?
I remember seeing somewhere that Sokolov was one of the original Patriots. What's up with that?
How long after the killing of Ocelot was the Epilogue?
When Ocelot was having the spasms of Liquid taking over, were those faked or a result of the nanomachines? Or just a product of the hypnosis he was going under? And why did the hand become cybernetic? I remember a mention of the Patriots piecing together shit to make that Big Boss clone out of Solidus, was that part of it?
Also, I never played the original MGS1, only Twin Snakes (Yeah, kill me, whatever), but I remember the biggest gripe was that Mei Ling lost her accent. There's no accent this time around. What do you say about that as far as what's canon?
I assume the gun shot we hear before Snake tried to off himself was Big Boss firing the Patriot into the air?
Anyone else think Zero at first was Fatman?
I remember seeing somewhere that Sokolov was one of the original Patriots. What's up with that?
How long after the killing of Ocelot was the Epilogue?
When Ocelot was having the spasms of Liquid taking over, were those faked or a result of the nanomachines? Or just a product of the hypnosis he was going under? And why did the hand become cybernetic? I remember a mention of the Patriots piecing together shit to make that Big Boss clone out of Solidus, was that part of it?
I'll dive into the MGS4 Database later. Just wanting to get some discussion on things.
Barakov
Member
M3wThr33 said:
My take:
1.
AFAIK, it was to kill Eva and Ocelot. As far as the new Foxdie, It wasn't stated but it could've been just variation on the Foxdie that Naomi made. I don't think she knew. It's possible she was just given data that was thrown there. But since Solidus was a perfect clone it's also possible it just worked like that.
.2. As far as Mei Ling's accent she's lived in the US for awhile so it probably just gradually faded for lack of a better word.
3. That's possible.
That would be the most logical way it happened. It would probably be enough of a shock for Snake to pull the gun out of his mouth. Also Snake could've just pulled the gun out of his mouth and fired the gun into the air or something.:/
4.
I kinda figured it was Zero simply because of Eva's talk in Act 3. But the resemblance is uncanny. :lol
5. I think it was just someone that looked like him in the
Philosophers. The original members were Zero, Big Boss, Eva, Ocelot, Para-medic and Sigint.
6.
I believe it was about a month.
7.
I think it was a product of the gene therapy he went under. As far as the arm goes, maybe he(or maybe a chunk of Liquid's arm got shot off) got injured between the events of MGS2 and MGS4. Then again it could've been some nano-machine nonsense.
Freedom = $1.05
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Barakov said:
I thought his arm could've been used as one of the parts for the resurrected Big Boss. Its not ever really explained, is it? Bah.
So I beat the game. Here are my comments. I'll split it up into "best/worst" sub-titles:
*MASSIVE SPOILERS*
Best Moments:
Worst Moments:
Best Bosses:
Worst Bosses:
Graphical Highpoints:
Graphical Lowpoints:
One thing I didn't understand:
*MASSIVE SPOILERS*
Best Moments:
-Taking on the Frogs for the first time
-Tracking Naomi
-Escaping on Drebins tank thing
-Stalking the resistance member through Prague
-The bike chase. Very cinematic.
-Entering Shadow Moses for the first time. Very nostalgic
-The Rex VS Ray fight
-The torture scene as you go through the micro wave corridor
-The fight against Liquid. I loved the way it reflected on all the MGS games. The energy bars changed, the names changed, the music changed. And during the MGS2 music there are loads of sea gulls just like on Big Shell.
-Tracking Naomi
-Escaping on Drebins tank thing
-Stalking the resistance member through Prague
-The bike chase. Very cinematic.
-Entering Shadow Moses for the first time. Very nostalgic
-The Rex VS Ray fight
-The torture scene as you go through the micro wave corridor
-The fight against Liquid. I loved the way it reflected on all the MGS games. The energy bars changed, the names changed, the music changed. And during the MGS2 music there are loads of sea gulls just like on Big Shell.
Worst Moments:
-The first bit of Act 5. It was so damn hard as no matter where I hid the Frogs would always see me. Plus the re-spawn loops sucked.
Best Bosses:
-Laughing Octopus. I thought this was the 2nd best. Tonnes of fun and shit scary when you hear her laugh and you see that the noise is coming from right above you.
-Screaming Mantis. The music made it very atmospheric. Also took me ages to work out. I was playing with a SixAxis when Psycho Mantis showed up and I lol'ed when he said "no rumble!?" :lol
-Liquid vs Snake. Amazing scene.
-Rex Vs Ray.
-Screaming Mantis. The music made it very atmospheric. Also took me ages to work out. I was playing with a SixAxis when Psycho Mantis showed up and I lol'ed when he said "no rumble!?" :lol
-Liquid vs Snake. Amazing scene.
-Rex Vs Ray.
Worst Bosses:
-Crying Wolf. The reason being I didn't know about the wind thing, so I was just walking around aimlessly until she showed up.
-Vamp pissed the hell out of me. I wasted so much ammo on him until I found out how to kill him. My fault through I suppose
-Vamp pissed the hell out of me. I wasted so much ammo on him until I found out how to kill him. My fault through I suppose
Graphical Highpoints:
-The opening movie
-All the transitions from cutscene to HUD
-Crossing the river in Act 2. All the trees rustling, grass swaying and the beautiful water.
-The bike chase was just wow.
-All outdoor moments of Shadow Moses
-The fight with Liquid. The lighting is unbelievable. The sun setting in the backgroud and the silhouettes of the two Snakes on the top of Haven. Plus the character models were life like.
-The final cutscenes. Everything in the last hour or so was almost lifelike. I also love the way that at the end the sun is setting at the end of the game. The day is ending as the story is ending.
-All the transitions from cutscene to HUD
-Crossing the river in Act 2. All the trees rustling, grass swaying and the beautiful water.
-The bike chase was just wow.
-All outdoor moments of Shadow Moses
-The fight with Liquid. The lighting is unbelievable. The sun setting in the backgroud and the silhouettes of the two Snakes on the top of Haven. Plus the character models were life like.
-The final cutscenes. Everything in the last hour or so was almost lifelike. I also love the way that at the end the sun is setting at the end of the game. The day is ending as the story is ending.
Graphical Lowpoints:
-End of Act 4 with Haven appearing out of the water and destroying the port. It looks very bland. [.spoiler]
Best cutscenes:
About the ending:
[spolier] I though it was a decent way to wrap things up. I'm kind of glad that Snake didn't die. When you see Otacon tell Sunny "Snake had a hard life", I was thinking "Snake should have been able to just live a life". I'm glad that his life wasn't all full of misery.
Big Boss turning up was also a pleasant surprise. At first I was like "fuck no". But then you see that both him and Zero are the only Patriot's remaining. I also liked that it went round in a circle. Everything began with Zero and Big Boss and the story ended with Zero and Big Boss. I also liked the speech of Big Boss to The Boss. It's funny how the whole story has its roots back to The Boss, yet she is shrouded in such mystery.
One thing I would have changed. I wished that Raiden had actually died. I thought it was ridiculous that he survived what he went through.
Best cutscenes:
-When you first see Raiden and he takes out the Gekko
-Drebin bursting into the airport and taking out the legs of the Gekko
-Raiden vs Vamp fight
-End of Act 3. It was cinematic.
-Beginning of Act 5
-Drebin bursting into the airport and taking out the legs of the Gekko
-Raiden vs Vamp fight
-End of Act 3. It was cinematic.
-Beginning of Act 5
About the ending:
[spolier] I though it was a decent way to wrap things up. I'm kind of glad that Snake didn't die. When you see Otacon tell Sunny "Snake had a hard life", I was thinking "Snake should have been able to just live a life". I'm glad that his life wasn't all full of misery.
Big Boss turning up was also a pleasant surprise. At first I was like "fuck no". But then you see that both him and Zero are the only Patriot's remaining. I also liked that it went round in a circle. Everything began with Zero and Big Boss and the story ended with Zero and Big Boss. I also liked the speech of Big Boss to The Boss. It's funny how the whole story has its roots back to The Boss, yet she is shrouded in such mystery.
One thing I would have changed. I wished that Raiden had actually died. I thought it was ridiculous that he survived what he went through.
One thing I didn't understand:
Why did Liquid want all the Ai to be destroyed?
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
FabCam said:
He only wanted JD (the main AI) to be destroyed so that he could use GW (which he had kept out of the patriots sight) to take over the whole system.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
There are a few parts in the timeline that they could work on though. They could do a game based on The Boss during WWII and Big Boss before he set up outer heaven or they could even remake MG1 and MG2.jett said:
i started an mgs series replay in preparation for mgs4, but only got as far as mgs2. i'm getting back to it now, and decided what the hell: i'll start with the original metal gear on msx. i loved the nes game when i was a kid, but kojima called that version a 'kusoge' in one of the mg saga documentaries, so i figure i should play the original. i'm about an hour in, and it's actually still a lot of fun, though i've run into a couple obscure puzzles typical of the era
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
FabCam said:
Is that after the fight with Liquid Ocelot? If so, then that was Ocelot taking. Ocelot wanted to end the patriots, but he couldnt do this by himself because the patriots were tracking him. To solve that problem, he let Liquids will take over his body and since liquid wasnt registered in the system (because the patriots had thought he died), he wouldnt be tracked, which gave him the freedom to set up the PMCs. Ocelot was hoping that Liquids activities to take on the patriots would provoke snake and that Snake would stop liquid and destroy the patriots, which is what he did. Ocelot was a good guy all along.
Ken Masters
Banned
I have a question about unlocking
Drebin Face camo
I know to unlock it you have to buy 60 items from him but I was wondering this all had to be done in one play through, or if it carried over from the previous one. Also is the face camo unlocked at the end of the game or when you buy the 60th item?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
psycho_snake said:
The Patriots trusted Ocelot, how else would you explain when, under the Liquid persona, he speaks about how his new body (the body of Adam/Revolver Ocelot) "opened a lot of doors for him" and allowed to take Arsenal Gear's GW and bring it back to life?
You don't have toKen Masters said:
buy 60 weapons from him, you just have to acquire 60 different weapons. This includes weapons you pick-up on the battlefield, as well as weapons you unlock. Since your weapons carry over between plays, you will get it whenever you have amassed 60 different weapons. I think you receive it as soon as you reach the next checkpoint after you have achieved the requirements, or at the end of the act, I don't remember specifically.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
Not exactly,psycho_snake said:
he explained his reasoning right before and after the big fight, when the Liquid persona was still in full effect. He even still refers to Big Boss as "father" and Solidus as "our dear brother". The Liquid doppleganger said he truly wanted Snake to destroy the Patriots afterall. Basically believing that with them gone, the world would soon descend into anarchy, like the Wild West. The people would be in a constant state of war and fighting, and only then would the masses truly experience the fullness of life (his interpretation of Big Boss's dream).
DCharlie said:
Thank you. After a search Kojima did indeed say two sentences in response to MGS5 questions.
http://kotaku.com/5010401/kojima-is-thinking-about-metal-gear-solid-5
In regards to MGS5 most have been made by Konami's Ryan Payton. http://kotaku.com/tag/ryan-payton/ He seems to be the English speaking mouth piece of Konami.
Here is a little back history on Ryan Peyton. http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3168349 It is a very, very good interview.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
A question about Liquid Ocelot (spoilers obviously):
When Liquids consciousness took over ocelots body, were Ocelots nanomachines active or not? If they were active, then the patriots would be able to monitor Liquids moves, which means that when Liquid did the experiments to free the soldiers from SOP, the patriots would know what Liquid was doing and they'd be able to stop him. If the nanomachines were not active, then The Patriots wouldnt have a clue as to what Liquid was doing.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
comrade said:
What are they? Or.... tell me to read a few pages back (if they're there).
psycho_snake said:
I apologize for all the black outs. But until you beat the game you should not read this. Major plot spoiler.
Liquid Ocelot is an Act. Ocelot is acting. He came up with this ploy before the Big Shell incident. He had decided to start working against the Patriots and was doing so the whole time.
Then to severe ties with the Patriots he assumed the Character of Liquid Ocelot as his full time persona in MGS4. He used this idea again to trick Solid into infecting the Patriot's AI program with a virus.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
comrade said:
Well yeah... I meant what are the codes lol.
Mr_Brightside
Member
MoonsaultSlayer said:
password mekakorkkk unlocks the .45 caliber pistol.
password mnsoymsyhn unlocks the Mosin-Nagant rifle.
and:
password thomas unlocks music
password abraham unlocks music
password theodore unlocks music
password george unlocks music
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Going through act 1 for the 3rd time now and I really cant believe how gorgeous this
game looks sometimes.
game looks sometimes.
Darkpen said:
I mentioned it after reading a blog and seeing photos in this thread. Starting at the bottom of page 437.
REALLY MUST READ AND WATCH THIS --> http://binaryfractal.blogspot.com/
After you get over the initial shock (took me two days) it starts to make a lot of sense. And then seems to become an ongoing inside joke of crouch grabbing starting back in 1998's MGS on the Playstation .
Censored: Someone here suggested the missing or very small bulge was because his embryo came from a Japanese woman. Which is an insulting, yet honest opinion, so we accept it as frankness.
The inside joke is so old it has become so inside that even Ryan Peyton isn't aware of it. Even while it explains certain plot twists no one saw coming.
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