of course mother base is not optional, but they've also emphasized that you can be pretty hands-off about the whole process too. you capture soldiers/pows and you can just let the game decide where to put them and what to research. i don't think it's a very big deal tbh. as long as you bother to capture enough staff, you're fine.
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of course mother base is not optional, but they've also emphasized that you can be pretty hands-off about the whole process too. you capture soldiers/pows and you can just let the game decide where to put them and what to research. i don't think it's a very big deal tbh. as long as you bother to capture enough staff, you're fine.
There really can't be a better praise than this.
Oh true, it wasn't a build timer. That's somewhat reassuring. Hopefully nothing reaches into that 1 hour + zone.
And really, at base, this timer nonsense is just that - nonsense. The entire rest of the game seems amazing except this one detail.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Sure is, but I'm hoping it'll be balanced well enough that I'll be too busy tranqing fools to notice.
Discotheque
Banned
it looks both fun and tedious. like i can see myself getting sick of the base management quickly and wanting to get on with the story. hopefully it doesn't feel like a grind.
Personally I always considered the endgame techs from peace walker to be effectively non-canon (IE the Stealth Gun). Same deal here.
Did you miss the first part or not play Peace Walker? It can be managed for you.
All you need to do if you want is capture new people + use your iDroid to create new bases + develop new weapons/gear once you've captured enough R&D / Intel / Mesh / Medic / etc levelled people.
This is all optional and allows you to do things like get best weapons and gear.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Wait....Children?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Child Soldiers, innit? Could be the taboo subject Kojima mentioned he was tackling.
Does anybody know when the Gamersyde version will be up.?
Yeah, that was also in an older video.
ShalashaskaEx
Banned
Wow that looked pretty damn fun/amazing. I've been intentionally keeping myself in the dark about this game but I ended up watching the whole video. I had no idea the base could be expanded so much. It's huge! I can't wait to raid my friends' base. 
Off topic but the commentator (and game) saying each letter in FOB really annoyed me. It's pronounced as a word, just like most military acronyms.
Off topic but the commentator (and game) saying each letter in FOB really annoyed me. It's pronounced as a word, just like most military acronyms.
They've shown child soldiers in trailers. Assuming you can rescue them.
Is that true? Damn that's cool. Maybe on my first playthrough I'll relax about this stuff and just see the story, then on my second I can go nuts.
Can I watch this video and not be spoiled on the story stuff?
They say if you do, you won't ever be found out/retaliated against so: Possible. But is it gonna happen? That depends on base set-up/player ability and speed of mind-games. It's possible for people to get the objectives undetected in Spies vs Mercenaries for TC's Splinter Cell, but rarely happens.
Yes. It's just explaining FOB/Invasions and the Mother Base stuff. Unless you really care about OMG CHARACTERS (which have already been revealed and are known in the series canon already) and/or music, there isn't much there to spoil.
Also you REALLY don't want to let Miller manage if you want to get better gear.
Could you be more specific? You didn't actually identify anything
LookAtMeGo
Member
I stand corrected then. I thought the jeux video article was about him being pissed you couldnt unlock certain non lethal options. If you do have to use mother base to unlock certain necessary items to progress then I guess you can't finish the game without ever using it. I don't think it has to be big enough of a part of the game to warrant skipping the game due to it but that's just my opinion.
I can see why some might be turned off by it but from what I've seen this is still very much an MGS game and it looks like the "wackyness" can mostly be avoided and the game can be tackled as a straight up stealth/action game.
If anything the FOB missions remind me more of MGS1 and 2 than the SP portion of the game does.
matrix-cat
Member
Just clarifying what the other poster said about this stuff being optional. Some of it is, some of it isn't. I think if people gave some of this new stuff a chance they might find they actually quite enjoy it, but the fact remains that if all you're interested in is a traditional, MGS1-4 style of game and nothing else, this ain't it. You can't just not develop a Mother Base, y'know?
Oh, dude, you should read up on what some of the unlock requirements in Peace Walker are, because a one-hour wait time is nothing compared to that game's bullshit. There's stuff in that game you can only get by grinding superbosses dozens of times to get the extremely rare item drops necessary to craft them. I think the Patriot (The Boss' gun) requires an R&D level of 99 and then takes fifty missions just to craft. The hoops that game expects you to jump through are insane. If they go full Peace Walker with MGSV I could easily see advanced weapons and items taking 24+ hours to craft.
Yeah, nothing really about the story except the first 2 characters introduced in the beginning of the game.
Ocelot and Miller
And yeah, what this will be about is really 2 things:
1) There will be difficult EXTRA OPS or SIDE OPS that won't be needed to beat the game (maybe a secret ending, who knows?) that will require better weapons to beat them, which will require you to manage mother base more.
2) Online gameplay. Build out your mother base, invade others mother bases, basically clash of clans.
But it's so easy. You go on a mission, you fulton some soldiers, you click iDroid when you go motherbase, select to develop new platforms, select to upgrade some gear. Repeat process. That takes like no time at all. It's menu based. Everything else shown is optional and will allow you to do those difficult extra ops / etc.
You guys really need to play Peace Walker. This is the exact same stuff in Peace Walker, minus the interactivity of the Mother Base (going to visit soldiers, etc) and the online element.
a secret-boss
Banned
this video is the one that finally got me hype. Salute Kojima on his grand vision of MGSV
Salute.
Glad I pre-ordered Special Edition
Salute.
Glad I pre-ordered Special Edition
Probably because it just lets the defender line up to headshot/"backstab" the player a la D. Souls summon/entrance.
LookAtMeGo
Member
I really do. Its the only one I haven't.
I am really looking forward to building my mother base to be an enormous fortress of death FYI. I just thought the whole mother base thing was optional.
Yeah I remember, and i hated it. Terrible design choices.
Impulsor
Member
I have the exact opposite feeling I had when RE4, 5 and 6 were announced and released. RE4 had me doubting but made me a beleiver once I played it, RE5 was less RE and more TPS than ever, it lacked RE spirit for me and 6 was just WTF!?
Progressively it felt less RE with each new release.
MGSV, on the other hand gives me a feeling of care, polish and attention to detail that it even overwhelms me, in a good way.. Even Ground Zeroes felt like traditional MGS with icing on the cake, that being the Open World as a playground in which to exercise all the crazy stealth and awesomeness Big Boss is capable of. But it still feels pure MGS to me. Just with bigger maps and more possibilities of course.
The only thing I feel is over the top with this game is the scale of it and thats awesome to me.
I understand your concern though, just rent it before buying if you are not sure you will like it.
Peace Walker honestly should have been called MGS5 and this MGS6, because PW is pretty essential to the plot. It's not like Portable OPS.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Gamer @ Heart
Member
Yup, and Kojima has said this exact thing. But Konami put their footdown on numbering a handheld title.
It was, originally. You can see pics floating around.
Which is funny considering the state of Konami's console game development now.
There's so much people are going to miss out by not playing PW. Sure Ground Zeroes provides a small write up and Phantom Pain will do the same kind of deal, as it'll need to explain not just the basics like Miller, Hal, Outer Heaven, CYPHER, Zero, etc but also the specifics like ZEKE.
You know, it's kind of amazing that MGSV is the same game it was when it was announced 3 years ago. Usually games get downgraded or things get taken out, but it seems like pretty much everything we've seen so far in trailers will be in the actual game. If anything, it looks better and better the more we see of it. Of course, the game hasn't come out yet, so that claim hasn't been proven, but the MGSV looks like it provides everything Kojima promised, and then some.
Masterphoenix
Neo Member
Man, you will be able to waste hours just screwing around at Mother Base.
In the words of Hilary Duff, "This is what dreams are made of"
Can't wait
luknotluck
Member
This game is going to be amazing. September 1st please be here!
LookAtMeGo
Member
I hate to do it but since I won't play it before TPP releases. I'm going to watch it on YouTube. I felt lost enough playing GZ. I can't justify buying the collection just for PW right now. I need to get caught up.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
The management and customization of the Diamond Dogs and Mother Base HQ looks great.
Forward Operating Bases are an awesome addition. I like the management stuff: real-time construction, activity logs of every small or minor action or event, the general expansion and player raid element, etc.
Forward Operating Bases are an awesome addition. I like the management stuff: real-time construction, activity logs of every small or minor action or event, the general expansion and player raid element, etc.
Why not? MGS HD collection is cheap on PS3.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Ehhhh. I'll think about it. The collection is $40 here in Canada and that seems pretty steep just for PW right now. Is it that good?
I'm also poor right now
matrix-cat
Member
I wouldn't bother with MGSV so close. Peace Walker's worth playing (I don't really like it at all, but enough people do that it's worth trying for yourself), but MGSV's going to do everything it did but better. Best to just watch an LP (or just the cutscenes) to get caught up with the story so you're all ready to go.
Cave Johnson
Member
God, this is almost like classic Deus Ex-lite in terms of freeform sandbox mechanics and delivery. And it's in multiplayer of all things! Going to invade at a stormy night in pure stealth, Jesus please help me!
**Also, wormhole fultons???????
**Also, wormhole fultons???????
As much as I want to replay the previous games..I think if I start now I'll end up going through all of them and being too burnt out on the series to get the most out of 5. Played them all as they came out and had a MGS marathon 2-3 years ago, so looks like I'll be going through the youtube MGS movies too.
Rawr Its Ry
Member
So if New Order and Joy Division are in this...what are the chances The Smiths are in it too? I can kind of see Kojima being a morrissey fan
Lurgan1337
Banned
that is so stupid considering the fact that there were a lot of promo materials during reveal calling the game MGS 5 PW
Just watch a Let's Play or one of the "Movie versions" on YouTube that compiles all the story stuff. I'm doing the same as I don't have a PS3 and I don't think I'm not too keen on playing the PSP version on the Vita.
Nightengale
Member
Hahahaha.
Some of the stuff to unlock in Peace Walker is basically the equivalent of grinding for 10 hours.
I expect all of the most game breaking equipments to be absurdly difficult and long in their build time.
The chances are pretty damn good.
If you have a spare 23 hours you can watch the movies ;p Judging from a few spoilers from 5 you might want to watch the non big boss ones too or some things may go over your head.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I advise people not to play Peace Walker because it sucks ass and instead to read a recap and enjoy MGSV which seems like a much more realised vision of Peace Walker's ideas.
Nightengale
Member
Disagree with your advise.
Give PW a chance. Let people form their own opinion.
If they don't like it, watch a story playthrough of PW.